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Bill_in_PDX
Grumpy Submariner
Rome watches
Caesar Augustus listened intently as his Foreign Minister informed him of the battles waging throughout the new world. It seemed much blood was being shed as the Americans asserted themselves on the world stage, and the traditional European powers didn't seem to like it.
This information coincided with his receipt of the cryptic message from King Blackadder in London saying that the American's had committed acts of war. Well, knowing Blackadder, Carlos, and Bourbon, this was probably a two way street in provocation.
Augustus had no holdings in the new world, and wasn't sure what Blackadder would be offering for his help. He intended to find out.
Meanwhile, his colonization in Africa was entering Phase 2. Four new settlements would be founded across the belt of Africa, the settlements would be called Nairobi, Mombasa (both in the lands called Kenya), as well as on the west coast at Gabon and Matadi (northern Angola). He hoped to then join his holdings with emphasis on building the great Roman culture.
Militarily, it was time to send further support to Africa, and General Maximus was ready to move reinforcements to the continent. Further, soon the fleet would be reorganized, but first he would see what Blackadded might need and offer.
Actions:
Four settlers move to Nairobi, Mombasa, Gabon, and Matadi.
Five divisions move to Africa in support of the settlers, and one additional division at Tunis
Messages:
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To: King Blackadder of England
Juan Carlos of Spain
King Bourbon of France
Subj: CONFLICT WITH AMERICA
Hail Friends,
I have received your message regarding conflict in the new world. Rome does not have holdings on that continent, however, we would be interested in hearing how we could help you in time of need, and what reimbursement we could expect for such help.
Regards,
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To: King Darius
Subj: WELCOME
Hail Friend,
King Darius, the Roman Empire, and I, Caesar Augustus, pledge friendship to you and your people.
I hope that we might trade together in the future. Rome is rich with gems and furs, but would love to acquire some of the dyes and spices that you are rumored to have.
Regards,
Caesar Augustus listened intently as his Foreign Minister informed him of the battles waging throughout the new world. It seemed much blood was being shed as the Americans asserted themselves on the world stage, and the traditional European powers didn't seem to like it.
This information coincided with his receipt of the cryptic message from King Blackadder in London saying that the American's had committed acts of war. Well, knowing Blackadder, Carlos, and Bourbon, this was probably a two way street in provocation.
Augustus had no holdings in the new world, and wasn't sure what Blackadder would be offering for his help. He intended to find out.
Meanwhile, his colonization in Africa was entering Phase 2. Four new settlements would be founded across the belt of Africa, the settlements would be called Nairobi, Mombasa (both in the lands called Kenya), as well as on the west coast at Gabon and Matadi (northern Angola). He hoped to then join his holdings with emphasis on building the great Roman culture.
Militarily, it was time to send further support to Africa, and General Maximus was ready to move reinforcements to the continent. Further, soon the fleet would be reorganized, but first he would see what Blackadded might need and offer.
Actions:
Four settlers move to Nairobi, Mombasa, Gabon, and Matadi.
Five divisions move to Africa in support of the settlers, and one additional division at Tunis
Messages:
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To: King Blackadder of England
Juan Carlos of Spain
King Bourbon of France
Subj: CONFLICT WITH AMERICA
Hail Friends,
I have received your message regarding conflict in the new world. Rome does not have holdings on that continent, however, we would be interested in hearing how we could help you in time of need, and what reimbursement we could expect for such help.
Regards,
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To: King Darius
Subj: WELCOME
Hail Friend,
King Darius, the Roman Empire, and I, Caesar Augustus, pledge friendship to you and your people.
I hope that we might trade together in the future. Rome is rich with gems and furs, but would love to acquire some of the dyes and spices that you are rumored to have.
Regards,
Sullla
Patrician Roman Dictator
Mikhail's face deepened further and further into a scowl as he read reports coming in from all over the globe. There was war afoot in America, and it seemed everyone else felt that Russia was about to declare for one side or the other. As a result, most of the world's leaders were ignoring his pleas for peace and suspecting him of all sorts of treachery.
"Can't they see that I am only interested in preserving the world's peace?" he mused out loud. "Russia has no interest in overseas lands. Why can't they understand this?"
With the rest of the world's great powers engaged in war, Mikhail knew it was up to him to try and dictate a peace that would be both lasting and just to each party involved. The peace proposals drawn up by the British and the French would never satisfy the Americans, and war would be inevitable if even a temporary peace were signed. With these solbering thoughts on his mind, the tsar resolved himself to his task.
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General Announcement to All Involved in the American Conflict
This matter has gone on long enough between your nations. Britain, France, and Spain have a right to be insulted by the comments made by Mr. Gore insinuating that they had ambitions against Russia. Mr. Gore also overstepped his authority in insisting that no colonization by other nations would be allowed in the Americas. For these reasons, Russia has stayed away from the American offer of an alliance.
But it was within America's right as a sovereign nation to propose an alliance with Russia. The assertion by both King Blackadder and Roi Monrique de Bourbon that this was tantamount to an act of war displeases the Russian people greatly. America has the right to discuss an alliance with anyone she chooses, much as your nations do. While I did not see fit to accept this alliance, it was within Mr. Gore's authority to offer it. Be glad that the Russian people have decided not to take this as an insult.
King Blackadder stated earlier this year that he would accept my peace proposal and wanted only to keep his current North American possessions along with an apology from Mr. Gore. President Gore has since apologized for his earlier aggressive statements and asked for a peace with the European powers. Instead of the peaceful settlement that we in Russia were hoping for, it was to our dismay that we heard King Blackadder demanding major territorial concessions in exchange for peace. Roi Monrique has since responded with his own, larger demands for peace. To complicate matters further, we are aware that agents of the French king broke into the Russian embassy in America. Apparently he did not believe my repeated assertions that I desire only peace in this conflict. Russia considers this a major insult against her honor, and though we are willing to let it pass for now, be warned that Russia will not tolerate such an offense again.
It is FAR past time for this madness to end. The Russian people believe that America has paid a fair price for its earlier arrogance and it was within the jurisdiction of the people of Britain, France, and Spain to respond. Continued acts of aggression against the people of America are unreasonable however, and far out of proportion to the original incident. We are beginning to suspect that the European nations have no interest in a just settlement at all, and seek only to enrich themselves at the cost of another nation. I truly hope that this is not the case. The following are a set of articles I that believe will produce a lasting peace in America.
1) America will recognize the right of foreign powers to colonize the Americas. Such a vast expanse of open land is not within the exclusive jurisdiction of one nation.
2) America will apologize for her earlier comments made against the people of Europe. America will apologize for the context in which her alliance against Russia was offered (insinuating that these nations had demands on Russia).
3) America will recognize France's and Britain's claim to Quebec. Whether Britain chooses to cede her possessions in Quebec to France is her own decision to make.
4) America will recognize the existence of a small French colony in the Mississippi delta and agree to sign off any aggression against it. In return, the French agree to give up their claims to control over the entire Mississippi river valley. Any goods America intends to ship through the French colony will have to pay for the right to pass through the Mississippi delta. This should provide a lucrative source of wealth for France.
5) America will swear off violence against any British colonies in North America. In return, Britain will give up her exorbitant claims to Texas, Western Canada, and Mexico. At the moment, Britain has no colonists in any of these regions, and they shall remain open to whomever claims them first. If that be Britain, so be it; if another nation, then Britain will accept that fact peacefully.
6) France agrees to give up its support for British colonies in Alberta, Saskatchewan, Ontario, Newfoundland, the Yukon territory and Nunavut. This is an enormous amount of land, as large as all of Russia, and there are no French or British colonists in these areas at the moment. It is not within the authority of the French monarch to declare such enormous and unoccupied territories as his or Britain's.
7) Spain and America will agree to work out a peace deal concerning Cuba and Panama; I make no stipulations in this area as I lack details of the events surrounding them.
8) Russia pledges her full support for any new colonies founded in America. We will support any European powers in gains that they make peacefully in unoccupied areas. By the same token, we will look harshly on acts of continued aggression by any side in this conflict.
It is our hope that this will bring about peace between the warring factions. Your nations will not like various aspects of this treaty, but it will provide some just compensation to all. There is no way there will ever be a lasting peace in America if Britain and France adhere to their current demands. I implore you as intelligent gentlemen to accept this peace. Russia will look on those nations that refuse to agree to these terms with great displeasure.
Let it also be known to the world that Russia and Persia have agreed on areas of common interest in Central Asia. Russia pledges not expand south of the Aral Sea/Lake Balkhash region and Persia pledges not to expand north of that area. Should a leader ever emerge out of the chaos in India and China, Russia will be willing to discuss a fair division of land with them as well. Please note that Russia is not claiming these regions for herself as yet, as we have no colonists in much of the area. This is merely an agreement between Persia and Russia to respect separate spheres of influence and settle our disputes peacefully. Gentlemen, I wish you well and hope that peace is within our grasp.
"Can't they see that I am only interested in preserving the world's peace?" he mused out loud. "Russia has no interest in overseas lands. Why can't they understand this?"
With the rest of the world's great powers engaged in war, Mikhail knew it was up to him to try and dictate a peace that would be both lasting and just to each party involved. The peace proposals drawn up by the British and the French would never satisfy the Americans, and war would be inevitable if even a temporary peace were signed. With these solbering thoughts on his mind, the tsar resolved himself to his task.
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General Announcement to All Involved in the American Conflict
This matter has gone on long enough between your nations. Britain, France, and Spain have a right to be insulted by the comments made by Mr. Gore insinuating that they had ambitions against Russia. Mr. Gore also overstepped his authority in insisting that no colonization by other nations would be allowed in the Americas. For these reasons, Russia has stayed away from the American offer of an alliance.
But it was within America's right as a sovereign nation to propose an alliance with Russia. The assertion by both King Blackadder and Roi Monrique de Bourbon that this was tantamount to an act of war displeases the Russian people greatly. America has the right to discuss an alliance with anyone she chooses, much as your nations do. While I did not see fit to accept this alliance, it was within Mr. Gore's authority to offer it. Be glad that the Russian people have decided not to take this as an insult.
King Blackadder stated earlier this year that he would accept my peace proposal and wanted only to keep his current North American possessions along with an apology from Mr. Gore. President Gore has since apologized for his earlier aggressive statements and asked for a peace with the European powers. Instead of the peaceful settlement that we in Russia were hoping for, it was to our dismay that we heard King Blackadder demanding major territorial concessions in exchange for peace. Roi Monrique has since responded with his own, larger demands for peace. To complicate matters further, we are aware that agents of the French king broke into the Russian embassy in America. Apparently he did not believe my repeated assertions that I desire only peace in this conflict. Russia considers this a major insult against her honor, and though we are willing to let it pass for now, be warned that Russia will not tolerate such an offense again.
It is FAR past time for this madness to end. The Russian people believe that America has paid a fair price for its earlier arrogance and it was within the jurisdiction of the people of Britain, France, and Spain to respond. Continued acts of aggression against the people of America are unreasonable however, and far out of proportion to the original incident. We are beginning to suspect that the European nations have no interest in a just settlement at all, and seek only to enrich themselves at the cost of another nation. I truly hope that this is not the case. The following are a set of articles I that believe will produce a lasting peace in America.
1) America will recognize the right of foreign powers to colonize the Americas. Such a vast expanse of open land is not within the exclusive jurisdiction of one nation.
2) America will apologize for her earlier comments made against the people of Europe. America will apologize for the context in which her alliance against Russia was offered (insinuating that these nations had demands on Russia).
3) America will recognize France's and Britain's claim to Quebec. Whether Britain chooses to cede her possessions in Quebec to France is her own decision to make.
4) America will recognize the existence of a small French colony in the Mississippi delta and agree to sign off any aggression against it. In return, the French agree to give up their claims to control over the entire Mississippi river valley. Any goods America intends to ship through the French colony will have to pay for the right to pass through the Mississippi delta. This should provide a lucrative source of wealth for France.
5) America will swear off violence against any British colonies in North America. In return, Britain will give up her exorbitant claims to Texas, Western Canada, and Mexico. At the moment, Britain has no colonists in any of these regions, and they shall remain open to whomever claims them first. If that be Britain, so be it; if another nation, then Britain will accept that fact peacefully.
6) France agrees to give up its support for British colonies in Alberta, Saskatchewan, Ontario, Newfoundland, the Yukon territory and Nunavut. This is an enormous amount of land, as large as all of Russia, and there are no French or British colonists in these areas at the moment. It is not within the authority of the French monarch to declare such enormous and unoccupied territories as his or Britain's.
7) Spain and America will agree to work out a peace deal concerning Cuba and Panama; I make no stipulations in this area as I lack details of the events surrounding them.
8) Russia pledges her full support for any new colonies founded in America. We will support any European powers in gains that they make peacefully in unoccupied areas. By the same token, we will look harshly on acts of continued aggression by any side in this conflict.
It is our hope that this will bring about peace between the warring factions. Your nations will not like various aspects of this treaty, but it will provide some just compensation to all. There is no way there will ever be a lasting peace in America if Britain and France adhere to their current demands. I implore you as intelligent gentlemen to accept this peace. Russia will look on those nations that refuse to agree to these terms with great displeasure.
Let it also be known to the world that Russia and Persia have agreed on areas of common interest in Central Asia. Russia pledges not expand south of the Aral Sea/Lake Balkhash region and Persia pledges not to expand north of that area. Should a leader ever emerge out of the chaos in India and China, Russia will be willing to discuss a fair division of land with them as well. Please note that Russia is not claiming these regions for herself as yet, as we have no colonists in much of the area. This is merely an agreement between Persia and Russia to respect separate spheres of influence and settle our disputes peacefully. Gentlemen, I wish you well and hope that peace is within our grasp.
Sullla
Patrician Roman Dictator
Notcing a new reponse from the Roman Imperator, the Russian Tsar quickly sent off another note.
To: Caesar Augustus
From: Tsar Mikhail Fedorovich Romanov
Regarding: Relations
Hail, Caesar. As your nation is the only European power that also seems comitted to peace, we wish to establish a more friendly relationship between our nations. I offer to trade you some of Russia's fine furs in exchange for Italia's famous wines. We hope to build a lasting friendship between our sensible peoples in the upcoming months and years.
To: Caesar Augustus
From: Tsar Mikhail Fedorovich Romanov
Regarding: Relations
Hail, Caesar. As your nation is the only European power that also seems comitted to peace, we wish to establish a more friendly relationship between our nations. I offer to trade you some of Russia's fine furs in exchange for Italia's famous wines. We hope to build a lasting friendship between our sensible peoples in the upcoming months and years.
To: President Gore, Tsar Romanov, King Blackadder, Rey Juan Carlos II
From: King Monrique de Bourbon IV
Subj: Peace in N.A.
France's only sticking point is Quebec. We want control of the St. Lawrence. Specifically, modern Quebec but with the provinces of New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, and the province of Newfoundland and Labrador. If we will recieve thos territories we will then sign a peace treaty, but before that, I can not accept anything. A sudden stop of the tremendous war current could result in a huge depression and anti-Bourbon sentiment in France, possibly to the point of revolution.
We will accept a peace treaty that allows France these provinces.
To: Imperator Caesar Augustus
From: King Monrique de Bourbon IV
Subj: War in North America
I thank you from the bottom of my heart for your offerings of assistance; however, I cannot imagine a way that you could help that would be largely beneficial for your nation. We would welcome support if we had much we could offer. Please go with my apologies.
From: King Monrique de Bourbon IV
Subj: Peace in N.A.
France's only sticking point is Quebec. We want control of the St. Lawrence. Specifically, modern Quebec but with the provinces of New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, and the province of Newfoundland and Labrador. If we will recieve thos territories we will then sign a peace treaty, but before that, I can not accept anything. A sudden stop of the tremendous war current could result in a huge depression and anti-Bourbon sentiment in France, possibly to the point of revolution.
We will accept a peace treaty that allows France these provinces.
To: Imperator Caesar Augustus
From: King Monrique de Bourbon IV
Subj: War in North America
I thank you from the bottom of my heart for your offerings of assistance; however, I cannot imagine a way that you could help that would be largely beneficial for your nation. We would welcome support if we had much we could offer. Please go with my apologies.
Bill_in_PDX
Grumpy Submariner
Augustus was pleased to see the great Tsar Romanov brokering peace in the new world.
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To: Tsar Romanov
Subj: Trade and Relations
Hail Tsar Romanov,
All of Rome has heard of your tireless efforts to negotiate world peace, and further, to avoid the entanglement of war alliances yourself. I commend you.
Yes, Rome is interested in orderly and peaceful colonization of the primative world. There is so much land for all, and yet already we have heard of the deaths of thousands of troops. Be assured that Rome is not currently intending to join any such battles.
I am very excited about opening trade routes to Moscow and agree to your proposal. Rome would like to expand our trade and diplomatic relations beyond these initial steps in the future.
Regards
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To: Tsar Romanov
Subj: Trade and Relations
Hail Tsar Romanov,
All of Rome has heard of your tireless efforts to negotiate world peace, and further, to avoid the entanglement of war alliances yourself. I commend you.
Yes, Rome is interested in orderly and peaceful colonization of the primative world. There is so much land for all, and yet already we have heard of the deaths of thousands of troops. Be assured that Rome is not currently intending to join any such battles.
I am very excited about opening trade routes to Moscow and agree to your proposal. Rome would like to expand our trade and diplomatic relations beyond these initial steps in the future.
Regards
The Troquelet
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A brief bulletin from the Shah
The Shah of Persia, Darius I, announces the opening of a new university dedicated to the science of Government... great strides in the field are expected soon...
Foreign Department
Darius applauds the Romanov Proposal and urges the warring nations to consider it carefully.
France does not need more of Quebec. It's going to own British Quebec too, as soon as the war ends - so why does it need more? More French land in America is just going to be a tool, used advertantly or inadvertantly, to let France force more concessions out of neighboring nations. Already France has used its large army and its widespread empire to negotiate control of land along the Spanish border without compensation, and take from Britain its SOLE possession in North America! Consider, O nations! Is conceding MORE land to France in the interests of a balanced, peaceful world?
No offense to le Roi, but I think not. Peaceful expansion is one thing, but concessions have gotten out of hand.
Trade Department
Dye and Spices to go from Persepolis to the highest bidder. Scientific knowledge preferred, but gold is good as well. What is gold good for anyway?
Land not accepted. What's yours is yours and I wouldn't try and rule part of your nation with your own people.
Treaty with Russia
Yes, Russia and I have formulated a treaty as stated. I don't know of any nation that wants "our" land anyway, or is close enough to rule it effectively and wisely. If Japan, China, or India come alive, we'll renegotiate with them.
The Shah of Persia, Darius I, announces the opening of a new university dedicated to the science of Government... great strides in the field are expected soon...
Foreign Department
Darius applauds the Romanov Proposal and urges the warring nations to consider it carefully.
France does not need more of Quebec. It's going to own British Quebec too, as soon as the war ends - so why does it need more? More French land in America is just going to be a tool, used advertantly or inadvertantly, to let France force more concessions out of neighboring nations. Already France has used its large army and its widespread empire to negotiate control of land along the Spanish border without compensation, and take from Britain its SOLE possession in North America! Consider, O nations! Is conceding MORE land to France in the interests of a balanced, peaceful world?
No offense to le Roi, but I think not. Peaceful expansion is one thing, but concessions have gotten out of hand.
Trade Department
Dye and Spices to go from Persepolis to the highest bidder. Scientific knowledge preferred, but gold is good as well. What is gold good for anyway?
Land not accepted. What's yours is yours and I wouldn't try and rule part of your nation with your own people.
Treaty with Russia
Yes, Russia and I have formulated a treaty as stated. I don't know of any nation that wants "our" land anyway, or is close enough to rule it effectively and wisely. If Japan, China, or India come alive, we'll renegotiate with them.
sealman
Hater of Babylonians
To: King Backlander
Re: Your peace proposal
Your highness.
We are disturbed that your country has no true hope for peace for your demands are totaly out of line and unreasonable.
You last communique asked for the following:
1. You hand over to Britain control of western Canada including Alaska.
2. If you hand over control of Texas to Britain.
3. If you hand over Mexico to Britain
4. If you withdraw from Panama.
You ask for us to give you land that is not controlled by us. Should you demand that land, We suggest that you speak with the local inhabitants who would gladly fight your armies for it.
Does England claim all this land for herself? If this is the case, your nation is following the same path as America has. In regards to Panama, why should we withdraw?
In regards to the hopes of an American-Russian alliance, it was in the hopes that our nations together would be enough to avoid war. If you plan on throwing my coments back at me, read them first.
America desires peace and is willing to met to discuss these matters. I suggest that all parties involved, as well as a third party met in French Hispanola to discuss peace.
President Gore
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To: King Monrique de Bourbon IV
Re: Comments on your peace proposal
You last comunique dictated the following terms for peace:
Article I: The American government renounces its fanatical "Manifest Destiny" policy and stops any and all popaganda that claims that it should be so.
Article II: The American government recognizes the European powers' right to expand to unclaimed North America. It renounces any effects of the so-called "Monroe Doctrine".
Article III: America recognizes France's claims to Quebec and Louisiana. The lower Mississippi valley is surrendered to French troops.
Article IV: Cuba and Panama are surrendered to the Spanish. America surrenders any and all claims in South America and/or Mexico and will not expand there.
Article V: Great Britain is allowed rights to Alberta, Saskatchewan, Ontario, Newfoundland, the Yukon territory and Nunavut.
Article VI: America ends it's blockade of the Caribbean and renounces any claims on Caribbean islands except the Florida Keys.
The American people desire peace but we must comment on your latest proposal.
Article I: America has no "Manifest Destiny" policy (OCC: I think you are refering to my comments when I chose America. In player, I have never declared such policy.)
Article II: The American Government is willing to discuss European colonies in North America but have no knowledge of this "Monroe Doctrine"
Article III: Negotiable
Article IV: Why should America surrender lands to Spain? We are not at war. America will agree to to surrender all claims in South America, but not Mexico. If America allows that other nations are allowed to colonize areas, America should as well therefore we are not going to concede that we can not expand there.
Article V: Negotiable
Article VII: America does not have a blockade of the Caribbean, threfore we are willing to lift it. We have no claims on any islands in the Caribbean with the exception of Cuba and the Florida Islands.
We see concessions made by our nation in both your demands as well as England. What of your civilized nation. Will both you and England agree to repect the American Nation?
America desires peace and is willing to met to discuss these matters. I suggest that all parties involved, as well as a third party met in your colony of Hispanola to discuss peace.
President Gore
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To: Tzar Romanov
CC: England and France
Re: Peace Talks
Your Highness;
America smiles on your attempts to orchastrate a peaceful solution to the matter presently upon my nation. I have asked the leaders of England and France to met with me to discuss peace and I request that your presence as a mediator. Your tems of a peaceful solution as more reasonable than those of England and France. Enclosed is the position of America on your terms:
1) America will recognize the right of foreign powers to colonize the Americas. Such a vast expanse of open land is not within the exclusive jurisdiction of one nation.
* America is willing to recognize the right of foreign powers in the Americas.
2) America will apologize for her earlier comments made against the people of Europe. America will apologize for the context in which her alliance against Russia was offered (insinuating that these nations had demands on Russia).
* America has already complied to our comments made to Russia regarding alleged European designs in Eastern Asia.
3) America will recognize France's and Britain's claim to Quebec. Whether Britain chooses to cede her possessions in Quebec to France is her own decision to make.
* Agreeable
4) America will recognize the existence of a small French colony in the Mississippi delta and agree to sign off any aggression against it. In return, the French agree to give up their claims to control over the entire Mississippi river valley. Any goods America intends to ship through the French colony will have to pay for the right to pass through the Mississippi delta. This should provide a lucrative source of wealth for France.
* Negotiable
5) America will swear off violence against any British colonies in North America. In return, Britain will give up her exorbitant claims to Texas, Western Canada, and Mexico. At the moment, Britain has no colonists in any of these regions, and they shall remain open to whomever claims them first. If that be Britain, so be it; if another nation, then Britain will accept that fact peacefully.
* America will agree to swear off AGGRESSIVE violence but reserves the right to attack in self defense. We would also be inclined to ask that England not station offensively large numbers of troops in times of peace. We would also be willing to extend this same point to the French colony of Quebec.
6) France agrees to give up its support for British colonies in
Alberta, Saskatchewan, Ontario, Newfoundland, the Yukon territory and Nunavut. This is an enormous amount of land, as large as all of Russia, and there are no French or British colonists in these areas at the moment. It is not within the authority of the French monarch to declare such enormous and unoccupied territories as his or Britain's.
* Agree
7) Spain and America will agree to work out a peace deal concerning Cuba and Panama; I make no stipulations in this area as I lack details of the events surrounding them.
* A state of war does not exist between Spain and America. We intercepted communiques regarding a possible SPanish invasion of Panama and questioned Spain in this regard. There has been no comment or action taken. We have no knowledge relating to Cuba and formally request for Russia to share with us any information you may posess. This is the second reference to Cuba that we have recieved and it is becoming troubling.
8) Russia pledges her full support for any new colonies founded in America. We will support any European powers in gains that they make peacefully in unoccupied areas. By the same token, we will look harshly on acts of continued aggression by any side in this conflict.
* America respects the acts of Russian support for all and will not dictate to her. As of now, the American Military will stop all aggressive acts against France and England while peace is being sought. Granted, our forces will defend themselves at any and all costs.
America will relinquish any and all claims it has current French and English holdings in Eastern Canada.
President Gore
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To: King Darius
Re: War in America
America has been seeking Peace in America but can not accept the outragious demands being made upon her. We have asked for a peace summit with England and France with Russia as a mediator. While the matter is not a stategic issue to Persia, you are welcome to attend and to assist.
President Gore
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Re: Your peace proposal
Your highness.
We are disturbed that your country has no true hope for peace for your demands are totaly out of line and unreasonable.
You last communique asked for the following:
1. You hand over to Britain control of western Canada including Alaska.
2. If you hand over control of Texas to Britain.
3. If you hand over Mexico to Britain
4. If you withdraw from Panama.
You ask for us to give you land that is not controlled by us. Should you demand that land, We suggest that you speak with the local inhabitants who would gladly fight your armies for it.
Does England claim all this land for herself? If this is the case, your nation is following the same path as America has. In regards to Panama, why should we withdraw?
In regards to the hopes of an American-Russian alliance, it was in the hopes that our nations together would be enough to avoid war. If you plan on throwing my coments back at me, read them first.
America desires peace and is willing to met to discuss these matters. I suggest that all parties involved, as well as a third party met in French Hispanola to discuss peace.
President Gore
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To: King Monrique de Bourbon IV
Re: Comments on your peace proposal
You last comunique dictated the following terms for peace:
Article I: The American government renounces its fanatical "Manifest Destiny" policy and stops any and all popaganda that claims that it should be so.
Article II: The American government recognizes the European powers' right to expand to unclaimed North America. It renounces any effects of the so-called "Monroe Doctrine".
Article III: America recognizes France's claims to Quebec and Louisiana. The lower Mississippi valley is surrendered to French troops.
Article IV: Cuba and Panama are surrendered to the Spanish. America surrenders any and all claims in South America and/or Mexico and will not expand there.
Article V: Great Britain is allowed rights to Alberta, Saskatchewan, Ontario, Newfoundland, the Yukon territory and Nunavut.
Article VI: America ends it's blockade of the Caribbean and renounces any claims on Caribbean islands except the Florida Keys.
The American people desire peace but we must comment on your latest proposal.
Article I: America has no "Manifest Destiny" policy (OCC: I think you are refering to my comments when I chose America. In player, I have never declared such policy.)
Article II: The American Government is willing to discuss European colonies in North America but have no knowledge of this "Monroe Doctrine"
Article III: Negotiable
Article IV: Why should America surrender lands to Spain? We are not at war. America will agree to to surrender all claims in South America, but not Mexico. If America allows that other nations are allowed to colonize areas, America should as well therefore we are not going to concede that we can not expand there.
Article V: Negotiable
Article VII: America does not have a blockade of the Caribbean, threfore we are willing to lift it. We have no claims on any islands in the Caribbean with the exception of Cuba and the Florida Islands.
We see concessions made by our nation in both your demands as well as England. What of your civilized nation. Will both you and England agree to repect the American Nation?
America desires peace and is willing to met to discuss these matters. I suggest that all parties involved, as well as a third party met in your colony of Hispanola to discuss peace.
President Gore
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To: Tzar Romanov
CC: England and France
Re: Peace Talks
Your Highness;
America smiles on your attempts to orchastrate a peaceful solution to the matter presently upon my nation. I have asked the leaders of England and France to met with me to discuss peace and I request that your presence as a mediator. Your tems of a peaceful solution as more reasonable than those of England and France. Enclosed is the position of America on your terms:
1) America will recognize the right of foreign powers to colonize the Americas. Such a vast expanse of open land is not within the exclusive jurisdiction of one nation.
* America is willing to recognize the right of foreign powers in the Americas.
2) America will apologize for her earlier comments made against the people of Europe. America will apologize for the context in which her alliance against Russia was offered (insinuating that these nations had demands on Russia).
* America has already complied to our comments made to Russia regarding alleged European designs in Eastern Asia.
3) America will recognize France's and Britain's claim to Quebec. Whether Britain chooses to cede her possessions in Quebec to France is her own decision to make.
* Agreeable
4) America will recognize the existence of a small French colony in the Mississippi delta and agree to sign off any aggression against it. In return, the French agree to give up their claims to control over the entire Mississippi river valley. Any goods America intends to ship through the French colony will have to pay for the right to pass through the Mississippi delta. This should provide a lucrative source of wealth for France.
* Negotiable
5) America will swear off violence against any British colonies in North America. In return, Britain will give up her exorbitant claims to Texas, Western Canada, and Mexico. At the moment, Britain has no colonists in any of these regions, and they shall remain open to whomever claims them first. If that be Britain, so be it; if another nation, then Britain will accept that fact peacefully.
* America will agree to swear off AGGRESSIVE violence but reserves the right to attack in self defense. We would also be inclined to ask that England not station offensively large numbers of troops in times of peace. We would also be willing to extend this same point to the French colony of Quebec.
6) France agrees to give up its support for British colonies in
Alberta, Saskatchewan, Ontario, Newfoundland, the Yukon territory and Nunavut. This is an enormous amount of land, as large as all of Russia, and there are no French or British colonists in these areas at the moment. It is not within the authority of the French monarch to declare such enormous and unoccupied territories as his or Britain's.
* Agree
7) Spain and America will agree to work out a peace deal concerning Cuba and Panama; I make no stipulations in this area as I lack details of the events surrounding them.
* A state of war does not exist between Spain and America. We intercepted communiques regarding a possible SPanish invasion of Panama and questioned Spain in this regard. There has been no comment or action taken. We have no knowledge relating to Cuba and formally request for Russia to share with us any information you may posess. This is the second reference to Cuba that we have recieved and it is becoming troubling.
8) Russia pledges her full support for any new colonies founded in America. We will support any European powers in gains that they make peacefully in unoccupied areas. By the same token, we will look harshly on acts of continued aggression by any side in this conflict.
* America respects the acts of Russian support for all and will not dictate to her. As of now, the American Military will stop all aggressive acts against France and England while peace is being sought. Granted, our forces will defend themselves at any and all costs.
America will relinquish any and all claims it has current French and English holdings in Eastern Canada.
President Gore
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To: King Darius
Re: War in America
America has been seeking Peace in America but can not accept the outragious demands being made upon her. We have asked for a peace summit with England and France with Russia as a mediator. While the matter is not a stategic issue to Persia, you are welcome to attend and to assist.
President Gore
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Expansions have gone well, Persia and Sweden's especially as they have more to catch up on.
HOTSPOTS
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Caribbean=
The Allies attempt to break the American blockade.
Spain=225 ships
France=100 ships
Britain=200 ships
TOTAL=525 ships
America=500 ships
This battle is the first naval clash of the war. Losses are high on both sides, with the Americans receiving support from Cuba, but eventually the Allies, led by the well-drilled British ships force the Americans back into harbour in Havana, and some to New York, and to give up their blockade for now, until they have rested and repaired.
Spanish losses=75 ships
French losses=25 ships
British losses=50 ships
TOTAL LOSSES=150 ships
American losses=125 ships
The convoys continue on their way.
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Panama=
The Spanish arrive to assault Panama, knowing that they have 3 divisions against America's 4. But they hope their fleet will help tip the scales.
They attack, and soon realise America has reinforced Panama with another 4 divisions(secret order from Gore). They are thrown back in disarray. The leader calls for more support from the very near Spanish colony, but the governor will only send 5 more divisions out of the 25 he has available.
The attack begins once more, but the Americans hold the best positions. They eventually throw the Spanish back once and for all, with heavy losses on both sides.
Spanish losses= 8 divisions
American losses=5 divisions
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New Orleans=
The Americans continue to surround New Orleans with huge force. The French refuse to budge, and the siege continues.
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New York=
The French and British conduct a raid in force on New York(according to a PM from Toasty, I don't know what Britain thinks, so if this is wrong PM me, I'll have to do something). It consists only of ships(I don't think anyone mentioned divisions, cause Britain was sending hers to Canada).
The 450 allied ships conduct a successful raid, and destroy the American division guarding the harbour. They also damage ship-building equipment, meaning that New York may be out of commission for a few months and unusable as a harbour until the debris is cleared. They then have to escape quickly as American reinforcements begin to arrive.
On their way out, they encounter 50 American ships returning from the Caribbean. A fight ensues, and the Allies sink every American ship, for the loss of 25 French and 50 British ships.
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Canada=
The French force of 250,000 men and the British force of 40,000 men begin an attack upon the prepared American defences, manned by 150,000 men.
They slowly but surely press south, overwhelming the defenders, until more American reinforcements arrive, another 100,000 men. These fresh troops are able to push the invaders back to the original lines, but the cost on both sides is horrific.
American losses=15 divisions
French losses=20 divisions
British losses=3 divisions
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It would seem that the French, British and Spanish are hurting America badly, but at terrible cost. If this is a war of attrition, they should win, but at what cost? To leave themselves open to the rest of Europe as easy prey? Perhaps they should consider peace, as a man fighting to defend his homeland is a very deadly enemy, as they seem to be discovering to their cost in America.
This is the reporter, Nemesis, signing out.
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Nemesis
HOTSPOTS
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Caribbean=
The Allies attempt to break the American blockade.
Spain=225 ships
France=100 ships
Britain=200 ships
TOTAL=525 ships
America=500 ships
This battle is the first naval clash of the war. Losses are high on both sides, with the Americans receiving support from Cuba, but eventually the Allies, led by the well-drilled British ships force the Americans back into harbour in Havana, and some to New York, and to give up their blockade for now, until they have rested and repaired.
Spanish losses=75 ships
French losses=25 ships
British losses=50 ships
TOTAL LOSSES=150 ships
American losses=125 ships
The convoys continue on their way.
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Panama=
The Spanish arrive to assault Panama, knowing that they have 3 divisions against America's 4. But they hope their fleet will help tip the scales.
They attack, and soon realise America has reinforced Panama with another 4 divisions(secret order from Gore). They are thrown back in disarray. The leader calls for more support from the very near Spanish colony, but the governor will only send 5 more divisions out of the 25 he has available.
The attack begins once more, but the Americans hold the best positions. They eventually throw the Spanish back once and for all, with heavy losses on both sides.
Spanish losses= 8 divisions
American losses=5 divisions
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New Orleans=
The Americans continue to surround New Orleans with huge force. The French refuse to budge, and the siege continues.
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New York=
The French and British conduct a raid in force on New York(according to a PM from Toasty, I don't know what Britain thinks, so if this is wrong PM me, I'll have to do something). It consists only of ships(I don't think anyone mentioned divisions, cause Britain was sending hers to Canada).
The 450 allied ships conduct a successful raid, and destroy the American division guarding the harbour. They also damage ship-building equipment, meaning that New York may be out of commission for a few months and unusable as a harbour until the debris is cleared. They then have to escape quickly as American reinforcements begin to arrive.
On their way out, they encounter 50 American ships returning from the Caribbean. A fight ensues, and the Allies sink every American ship, for the loss of 25 French and 50 British ships.
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Canada=
The French force of 250,000 men and the British force of 40,000 men begin an attack upon the prepared American defences, manned by 150,000 men.
They slowly but surely press south, overwhelming the defenders, until more American reinforcements arrive, another 100,000 men. These fresh troops are able to push the invaders back to the original lines, but the cost on both sides is horrific.
American losses=15 divisions
French losses=20 divisions
British losses=3 divisions
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It would seem that the French, British and Spanish are hurting America badly, but at terrible cost. If this is a war of attrition, they should win, but at what cost? To leave themselves open to the rest of Europe as easy prey? Perhaps they should consider peace, as a man fighting to defend his homeland is a very deadly enemy, as they seem to be discovering to their cost in America.
This is the reporter, Nemesis, signing out.
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Nemesis
To: President Gore
From: King Monrique de Bourbon IV
Sucj: Peace
While I may have acted differently, the showings of peace developing in our little war warm my heart. A peace that is favourable to France in that it allows us to control Quebec, Newfoundland, Labrador, New Brunswick and Nova Scotia is what we ask. We will support Britain in any claims she may make Westward in Canada, but as the Tsar has sufficiently pointed out, it is excessive. Thus, we will back British claims to Ontario, Manitoba, and Nunavut alone.
The reports from Sweden said that you were blockading the Caribbean so we assumed that there was one. I think that it makes sense that the Caribbean not be blockaded.
Also, pardon my confusion on a state of war between Spain and America, as I had assumed from the Spanish-born invasion of Panama.
France does, in fact, seek warm relations and peace with America but my government will not accept any peace that does not allow us the provinces stated. We do not wish to see a crushing of America but their realization that they cannot live without European colonies or borders, and that Quebec will be such a colony of France and most likely the Mississippi delta.
If America is willing to give France the lands she occupies in Canada and Quebec we will forego the fining of American ships while keeping our small Louisiana colony. There will be no occupation or annexation of the Mississippi valley by France.
Thus, I have re-written the peace treaty:
Article I: America cedes the territory she owns in Quebec to France. France renounces her claims to the Mississippi valley.
Article II: America recognizes French-backed British claims to Ontario, Manitoba and Nunavut. In turn, British demands on the remainder of Western Canada, Mexico and Texas are dropped.
Article III:America withdraws from Panama and will not be involved in any colonization in South America. Panama is declared an international zone and construction of a canal begins.
Article IV: France retains her colony in Louisiana and New Orleans but allows American merchant ships free passage. This agreement may be renegotiated in ten years if deemed necessary by either government.
I think we can hammer out the details at the peace summit in Hispanola
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From: King Monrique de Bourbon IV
Sucj: Peace
While I may have acted differently, the showings of peace developing in our little war warm my heart. A peace that is favourable to France in that it allows us to control Quebec, Newfoundland, Labrador, New Brunswick and Nova Scotia is what we ask. We will support Britain in any claims she may make Westward in Canada, but as the Tsar has sufficiently pointed out, it is excessive. Thus, we will back British claims to Ontario, Manitoba, and Nunavut alone.
The reports from Sweden said that you were blockading the Caribbean so we assumed that there was one. I think that it makes sense that the Caribbean not be blockaded.
Also, pardon my confusion on a state of war between Spain and America, as I had assumed from the Spanish-born invasion of Panama.
France does, in fact, seek warm relations and peace with America but my government will not accept any peace that does not allow us the provinces stated. We do not wish to see a crushing of America but their realization that they cannot live without European colonies or borders, and that Quebec will be such a colony of France and most likely the Mississippi delta.
If America is willing to give France the lands she occupies in Canada and Quebec we will forego the fining of American ships while keeping our small Louisiana colony. There will be no occupation or annexation of the Mississippi valley by France.
Thus, I have re-written the peace treaty:
Article I: America cedes the territory she owns in Quebec to France. France renounces her claims to the Mississippi valley.
Article II: America recognizes French-backed British claims to Ontario, Manitoba and Nunavut. In turn, British demands on the remainder of Western Canada, Mexico and Texas are dropped.
Article III:America withdraws from Panama and will not be involved in any colonization in South America. Panama is declared an international zone and construction of a canal begins.
Article IV: France retains her colony in Louisiana and New Orleans but allows American merchant ships free passage. This agreement may be renegotiated in ten years if deemed necessary by either government.
I think we can hammer out the details at the peace summit in Hispanola
.UK, those statistics are absurdity. Twenty divisions? A force of 290,000 men attacking a force of 150,000 men and the attackers lose more than two-thirds of their troops? Incredibly unrealistic, especially for this age.
I put up with the fifty-thousand. But now you're telling me I've lost 250,000 troops? Uh-uh. That really pisses me off.
I put up with the fifty-thousand. But now you're telling me I've lost 250,000 troops? Uh-uh. That really pisses me off.
SKILORD
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On the contrary, my dear King, the Americans numbered 25 divisions, the same as yours, when reinforced from New York. The American homelands are obviously swarming with troops. They are defending their own homeland and they have prepared defenses.
Time to read Dexter's quotes, I think...
The tables have turned on the Allies, and they can try and take it honorably and negotiate peace. I will certainly be willing to act as semi-mediator as offered previously...
Time to read Dexter's quotes, I think...
The tables have turned on the Allies, and they can try and take it honorably and negotiate peace. I will certainly be willing to act as semi-mediator as offered previously...
sealman
Hater of Babylonians
America requests a cease fire with all parties until after the peace conference in Hispanola. We have already orderd our forces to cease all offensive operations.
President Gore
President Gore
Let's think a minute...150,000 troops are overwhelmed and pushed very far Southward. 100,000 troops show up after just *how* many troops have been killed or captured out of the original 150,000? 290,000 vs. 150,000, that's almost 2 to 1. There should have been hardly any left (I'll be generous and say 75,000 left to about 240,000) so we end up with 175,000 vs. 240,000 and it's BACK TO THE ORIGINAL LINES?!
It seems unreasonable to me.
It seems unreasonable to me.
sealman
Hater of Babylonians
Your terms are much improved over the last set of demands.
Article I: Depends on where the line is but workable.
Article II: Agree
Article III: America will not withdraw from Panama as there is no basis. America laid claim to Panama and settled the wilderness PRIOR to any claims by Spain. We will agree to refrain from moving into South America, unless in support of another nation after invitation of said nation.
Article IV: Agree, relunctantly.
America would like some sort of compensation from Spain for their vagrant act of agression against Panama.
Sweden was mis-informed. Our blockade, as witnessed from the battle, is/was the Gulf of Mexico. Florida-Cuba-Yucatan.
President Gore.
Article I: Depends on where the line is but workable.
Article II: Agree
Article III: America will not withdraw from Panama as there is no basis. America laid claim to Panama and settled the wilderness PRIOR to any claims by Spain. We will agree to refrain from moving into South America, unless in support of another nation after invitation of said nation.
Article IV: Agree, relunctantly.
America would like some sort of compensation from Spain for their vagrant act of agression against Panama.
Sweden was mis-informed. Our blockade, as witnessed from the battle, is/was the Gulf of Mexico. Florida-Cuba-Yucatan.
President Gore.
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I think you'll find I actually say that you crush those 150,000 men, but run into reinforcements, who push you back, causing even more losses.
Attacking fortifications was always an expensive business, especially in medieval days. Anyway, you are at war with a nation fighting for survival. That is always a big plus factor in a battle.
Anyway, your losses will be magically forgotten at the changing of ages, so you have no need to worry, just make less war for the rest of this age! Part of the reason I gave such heavy losses was to try and encourage peace on both sides. Don't forget, America is hurting badly too, that Canadian fight cost half the men she had then!
Basically, when things settle down and it once more becomes small border clashes, then losses will be lighter.
Also, in the more recent ages losses are actually lighter, as although more are killed by explosions and machine guns etc, there is better medical care for the wounded. The casualties also take into acount all of those lost to disease and injuries etc.
Basically, try to make less war, and you will lose less men!
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Most of the 150,000 were dead or lying injured, but then a fresh force of 100,000 men arrived.
After fighting a battle for many hours, you are very tired, and probably hurt. If a huge fresh faced force arrives, especially if it is driven by a desire to defend it's home, you're gonna have to fall back.
That's what your generals did rather than risk even more casualties. It is best to lick their wounds and then attack again than lose even more trying to fight these.
And attacking fortifications, which is what the Americans had(I had orders from sealman saying that 15 divs were dug in near Canada), you lose more men than the defenders. Simple.
That is also why if Gore orders an assault on New Orleans, the Americans will lose a lot more men than the French. Because New Orleans is a heavily fortified town in the game.
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In medieval times it did not. Sieges were common, but since this is on a foreign land, they can outlast you, so you must attack.
Trying to enter a castle resulted in huge losses in comparison to the defender. They could fire arrows, pour boiling oil onto the attackers, push over ladders and they knew the castle.
Basically, in those times you lost more men. You still do if you attack a well-fortified enemy(such as if Germany had invaded Britain in WW2, or the D-Day landings!).
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