A warning from a 'fanboi'

[Asterix Rage]

I agree. Patches are needed

Extensions as well ...

 

[dannythefool]

The way this works nowadays is (sadly):

1) If you bought at release or even pre-ordered, you paid to play the game as early as possible. Not as finished as possible.

2) If you want to pay for a finished game, you need to wait a couple months or years until it is actually finished before you buy.


You can clearly see that this is true because finished and well-tested games are much cheaper than newly released ones. If you think you are paying more for quality then you are cheating yourself.

 

[spoooq]

I'm not playing again until a few more patches have come in. Hell, I CANT play half my games until the CTD is fixed. I'm gonna give the Total War series a go, and I'll keep playing Team Fortress 2, and I'll come back in 3 months when the dust has settled.

I don't care about all the ridiculous exploits. I can just not use them. I love 1UPT. But I need more from Civ than this. There is just nothing to do. I keep upping the difficulty and it doesn't get any harder. Why can I win Emperor with zero thought? I'm not that good! Realistically, this game needs at least one expansion.

 

[HisDivineShadow]

Well I guess you just want to play with your childish tricks.

Over-defensive responses like that devalue the points you are trying to make you know. I fear the damage has already been done.

 

[Mustakrakish]

Wasn't this thread supposed to be about bugs needing to be fixed?

 

[spoooq]

There is another thread that is a proper round-up of all the issues.

 

[r_rolo1]

And a whole forum to post bugs

 

[AlpsStranger]

Wasn't kidding about that ticking clock guys. Some of this stuff is serious enough that 24 hours unpatched is far too long. Let's see those patches

 

[CivBrit]

The 'pedia is a dripping, blood soaked abortion.

You made me spray my coffee everywhere when I read that! I completely agree btw.

 

[SuperJay]

I *really* like Civ4. I still do. This is still the same "insult people that like Civ5 because they're dumb lolololol" line that the entire camp seems to be taking.

I like Civ4. I like Civ5. I think once it hits its stride I'll like Civ5 better for a variety of reasons. Why is it that one must hate(or fare poorly at) Civ4 to observe that a late game 30+ city empire becomes tedious to manage? Is anyone going to deny that massive Civ4 empires become unwieldy by virtually any reasonable standard?

Too tedious for me to enjoy != too complex for me to handle. That is the major point of disconnect that nobody is grasping.

I made almost exactly that same point in another post earlier, so yeah - I'm right there with you. Tedium does not equal challenge, but try convincing a self-proclaimed Civ IV "pro" that his spreadsheets don't make him smarter than you.

 

[r_rolo1]

Your lack of spreadsheets does not make you smarter than anyone with them as well ... that makes you point irrelevant

 

[SuperJay]

Your lack of spreadsheets does not make you smarter than anyone with them as well ... that makes you point irrelevant

No, not irrelevant at all - it very much has to do with the topic of this thread and with the post I was responding to.

Where did I claim I was smarter than anyone else? If you're going to come out of nowhere and accuse me of something, at least back it up with evidence.

 

[r_rolo1]

I was just reversing your argument... and that was the sense of the word "you" . Nothing more personal than your civ IV "pro" target player ...

 

[SuperJay]

I was just reversing your argument... and that was the sense of the word "you" . Nothing more personal than your civ IV "pro" target player ...

Okay? You're not making much sense, but it's not important. Carry on.

 

[r_rolo1]

Let me explain you, like my programming teacher used to say, like if you had 5 yrs old:

You hinted that some archetypical civ Iv pro felt like a superior player because it was armed with spreadsheets. I just pointed that your lack of spreadsheets didn't gave you any reason to feel superior either... so , in other words, bringing the "spreadsheets" ( like if every civ IV pro used them or like if some civ V pros will not use them as soon as someone makes one ) to the argument was moot at best ,and at worse denoted a elitist attitude from your side ( with your I mean the plural : you and the people that think like you seem to think ): "Spreadsheets? I don't need no stikin' spreadsheets ..."

See my point now?

 

[SuperJay]

You hinted that some archetypical civ Iv pro felt like a superior player because it was armed with spreadsheets. I just pointed that your lack of spreadsheets didn't gave you any reason to feel superior either...

But again, where did I say that NOT micromanaging or NOT using spreadsheets was superior? Where did I claim that there's a "right" way to play any Civ game?

You're trying to rebut a point I never made. You're actually agreeing with me, though you seem to think you're "winning" some kind of argument... but that argument only exists in your imagination and is based on nothing more than your own assumptions.

And if you have to resort to insulting people personally by calling them "5-year olds," you're not really in any position to accuse anyone else of elitism.

 

[r_rolo1]

Well, I haven't called no one that. I said I was going to explain to you like if you had 5 years old ... everyone needs from time to time to have things explained that way, even if because you haven't understood something at first explanation by whatever reason. That is not insulting in any sense ... and if you feel insulted, click the report button and talk to the mods.

 

[Venereus]

Well, I haven't called no one that. I said I was going to explain to you like if you had 5 years old ... everyone needs from time to time to have things explained that way, even if because you haven't understood something at first explanation by whatever reason. That is not insulting in any sense ... and if you feel insulted, click the report button and talk to the mods.

LOL. Isn't that like a "go tell mommy" response? Turn off 5 years old mode.

 

[r_rolo1]

No, I explained my words and simply told him to follow the forum rules : you know, personal attacks are punishable by them. If he really feels offended by my words and thinks I made a personal attack, he should do the adult thing and click the report button, following the rules we all acepted when we entered here.

Or now saying to someone to follow forum rules is childish ?

 

[grandad1982]

Don't rise Rolo. I understood what you ment and could see no insult intended in any of your posts.

I can't wait till civ5 has been out for a few months and everyone stops wetting themselves. Come back forum attitudes that I love!