CoffeeMonster
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- Joined
- Sep 29, 2010
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- 14
Perhaps I am jumping to conclusions, but that is definitely the tone I took from it. If you, at least, don't mean it that way then I apologize.
I don't think they did quite right with the diplomacy. It may be true that it needed to be a little more organic and opaque than Civilization 4, but they may have taken it too far. I'm not entirely in disagreement here.
I like the social policies, but I am somewhat in agreement here as well. They could stand to have the social policies in *addition* to something like civics as opposed to a replacement. The social policies could be renamed and re-flavored to represent the cultural heritage of your civilization, and the Civics could be reintroduced and represent your actual active government. This would be fine, and would end up being superior to both Civ4 and Civ5.
I couldn't agree more about the buildings. I had built a handful of walls in cities and then decided I didn't want to pay for them once my border pushed out. I kept scouring the interface for a way to delete them. I figured "I have to pay for these things every turn. *Surely* I can delete them..."
I am not really a Civ5 fanboi by any stretch of the imagination. I have my complaints to be sure. I just feel that Civ5+BeyondTheWhatever will end up being much better than anyone guesses at the moment.
Civ4+BTS is currently, overall, superior to Civilization 5. I feel that the foundation of Civilization 5 is stronger, and that once it is debugged and expanded it will be a far and away better product. This is my exact and concise opinion on the matter.
You're actually starting to sound reasonable.

I think the more you play Civ 5, the more we'll be in agreement. Those little things that annoy will start to become more and more annoying as the newness wears off. I just moved off the honeymoon phase early, and have seen the ugly wench for what it is.
Having said that, I do agree that in time, patches, and a dedicated modding community, Civ 5 will get back there. Unfortunately as of now, it's just not quite there.