Greizer85
Emperor
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- Mar 7, 2009
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What part of 'competitive challenge' do you not understand? Using this exploit, depending on the amount and opportunities of use, shaves off at least 20 turns from a space victory, and potentially much more. In private games people can do what they want, I've no issue with that. Now I don't claim to be a top level player - I can only beat Immortal with no special aids - but it would be nice to have a level playing field and not being forced to use the exploit in order to not gimp myself on purpose for the sake of role play.If you don't use this, how does it break immersion for you?
Are you saying that it breaks immersion for you when you suspect that some stranger out there just might be doing this? Seems kind of self-centered to me. Do you object to other things that other people do for fun?
Ok - not *solely* like a guy crunching numbers. Of course you must consider the mechanics and weigh your decisions in order to master the game. But ideally that does not interfere with role playing, or does so to a minor extent. The exploit otoh is a massive slap in the face with a super-cooled kryptonite glove, the message being: "You're playing a GAME, bubba!". I play games to escape reality, so I don't want them rubbing it in my face at every turn.I also disagree that the "point" of the game is "to feel like the leader of a great civilization - not like a guy crunching numbers". Frankly, I enjoy figuring out how the game works and how game outcomes change based on different strategies (and, yes, understanding the numbers -- don't want to burst your bubble, but the game mechanics and AI are nothing but a bunch of numbers -- if you don't understand those numbers, and how they affect game play, you're just messing around -- nothing wrong with that, but don't assume that is the way the game is supposed to be played).
And how is it fair or balanced to take 1000-5000 gold from a Deity AI before each DOW that you would have done anyways (or that they'd have done to you), as an automatic action? There's literally no strategy to the decision; you do it each and every DOW with no repercussions. Additionally, you may make DOWs just to use the exploit. Granted that there's a strategic element to these decisions due to war monger rep hit and a potentially dangerous extra war - but if you're strong enough or the AI is far enough away (on another continent), then it's fairly safe to do and the rewards can be massive.In the end, I enjoy figuring out how best to beat the game using the game's own rules. I care not one whit about immersion (whatever that is), and would object to game changes solely for the sake of gratifying someone else's view about what makes (or should make) the game immersive. Rule changes to improve balance, or to inject new gameplay elements, are great. When the rules do change, its an opportunity to learn the new rules and how best to beat the (revised) game.
Consider this: if the exploit were removed or there were penalties for it, then you'd simply adapt and try to master the new rules. While those who were bothered by the exploit could rest easy. It's win-win, or at least neutral-win; there's no downsides to fixing the exploit. Also, if it were removed by way of removing AI lump sum trades, you'd arguably have *more* strategy in the game, due to having to watch your gold reserves more carefully, not being able to use the AIs for 'instant bank automats' each time you have a sudden need for gold.