Accurate Earth Map in development

Gooblah said:
The overwhleming language diversity in the Austronesian (Polynesian) language family is found in Taiwan. Out of I believe 4 language subfamilies, 3 are in Taiwan! Thus, it is safe to assume the Polynesians spread to Taiwan.
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but not equal to the rate Han Chinese go there, ....everyone knows that Taiwan island is mostly populated with Chinese... it's also very safe to assume Chinese spread to Taiwan...

an Geographically Taiwan connects to China, makes no sense if Taiwan is populated by someone else.( if not it will culture flip very easily anyway)


(maybe there are also japanese there.. not sure, but very few.)
 
But historically it was Austronesian until Han Chinese Nationalists (Chiang Kai-shek, IIRC) fled there during Mao's rebellion. Thus, it would be better to include this area in Polynesian settler maps, then have the area flip to Chinese control through a Python event or something.
 
Gooblah said:
But historically it was Austronesian until Han Chinese Nationalists (Chiang Kai-shek, IIRC) fled there during Mao's rebellion. Thus, it would be better to include this area in Polynesian settler maps, then have the area flip to Chinese control through a Python event or something.
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Or some interest but little for Polynesia, and slightly more interest for China.

Besides the Polynesians themselves never went there. Other Austronesian groups spread there though. How about having Indonesia or the Phillipenes have interest there instead?
 
Gooblah said:
But historically it was Austronesian until Han Chinese Nationalists (Chiang Kai-shek, IIRC) fled there during Mao's rebellion. Thus, it would be better to include this area in Polynesian settler maps, then have the area flip to Chinese control through a Python event or something.
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there are some austronesian but it's not that late until Chinese Nationalist,


from wiki

In 1662, Zheng Cheng-gong, popularly known in the West as Koxinga, a Ming Dynasty loyalist, defeated the Dutch and established a base of operations on the island. Zheng's forces were later defeated by the Qing Dynasty in 1683. The Qing Dynasty ruled Taiwan for two hundred years before it ceded the island to Japan in 1895 following the First Sino-Japanese War. Taiwan produced rice and sugar to be exported to Japan and also served as a base for the Japanese colonial expansion into Southeast Asia and the Pacific during World War II. Japanese imperial education was implemented in Taiwan and many Taiwanese also fought for Japan during the war.
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it's much earlier :/
 
either way, Austronesian-speakers have inhabited the area for millenia, and Han Chinese for only...350 years or so, right? If the point is for World History, then Kevin should make Taiwan a destination for Japan, China, and most of all, Polynesia.
 
Gooblah said:
either way, Austronesian-speakers have inhabited the area for millenia, and Han Chinese for only...350 years or so, right? If the point is for World History, then Kevin should make Taiwan a destination for Japan, China, and most of all, Polynesia.
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Again, the Polynesians didn't settle the island themselves. other Austronesian groups did however. It's like having Madagascar want to settle Taiwan because they speak an Austronesian language.

These are the people your talking about: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwanese_Aborigines they speak an Austronesian language. But there in a different family altogether from Polynesians.

It makes much more sense to have Malaysia or the Philippines or the various Indonesian groups have interest in Taiwan.
 
Thanks for the info.

It is my belief that the Polynesians should represent all Austronesian-speaking peoples; this way, they're all included; while this is not the best solution in terms of history, it provides the most for gameplay.
 
Hey guys, I am back. I plan on delivering an update tommorow.

@leaderh: glad you like it.
@pap1723: glad you like it! For the most part, it would seem, it is doing pretty well.

I may spin off the map for other uses, but with a potential 2 year mod development period, it may just be a map/minimalist mod release, so that others can mod/use my map for whatever purpose.

Also, I cannot change the map design size-wise, for what I feel are two very good reasons. 1) You said there are 20 or so tiles that have no civ usefulness. However, there are several civs- Canada, Sweden, Norway, and even an Inuit/Aleutian civ, which will take advantage of northern areas not normally used by traditionally included civs. 2) I cannot add tiles to the Pacific ocean. The map design I used is really unique, and as weird as it sounds, the shape of the world I drew won't allow it, without destroying certain proportions. This is because my map is largely circular and abstract, as opposed to a projection-based map like the horizontally-stretched one used by most mapmakers.


On the topic of Polynesia- It would probably be best to have it represent all Pacific Ocean austronesian peoples, especially with the low land area. However, this would make it hard to differentiate between an Austronesian civ and Austronesian natives, and I still like the idea of a distinct civ. I am yet to come to a decision on this.

@Shiggs- I should have most, if not all, plains done for the update (and maybe tundra, snow too). And just so you understand the update, plains for now will represent both types of plains that I use (arid and fertile) as well as wasteland. Grassland will represent both normal grassland and thinsoil (coniferous) grassland. These individual divisions will be added in once I bring the mapmaking into the game.

If anyone has any advice for what I should do for my first release, please let me know. I haven't checked the mod page yet, but I think it is pretty safe to assume I am temporarily stuck. The mod is needed for the entire gameplay mechanic. I therefore am thinking that I should release the map with all terrains, bonuses and features intact, and maybe I'll include the civs, but they'll be disabled as you won't be able to use them all anyways until the map is working with the mod. To do this I will need to work on a lot of artwork (ie buttons, gamefonts) and I'd like to have this ready in a couple of months.

Kevin
 
Taiwan may not equal Polynesia, but Austronesian people (who may be represented by\ Polynesia) sure as hell settled there, and thus should be included in the Austronesian/Polynesian settler map!
 
Gooblah said:
Taiwan may not equal Polynesia, but Austronesian people (who may be represented by\ Polynesia) sure as hell settled there, and thus should be included in the Austronesian/Polynesian settler map!
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Polynesia isn't all the austronesian people. I'm 99% sure that the taiwanese austronesians are different from the Polynesians. the nearest Austronesian group to taiwan should represent the taiwanese austronesians. (IE the Malays or something)
 
Kao'chai said:
^sorry about your finger , but i'm on your side

people from asia sailed their way to polynesia and austaralia , not the other way around . To stop this debate , lets make the chinese and japanese settle this island .
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After looking at the ancestry of the Filipino people on wikipedia...

A Stanford University study conducted during 2001 revealed that Y-chromosome Haplogroup O3-M122 (labeled as "Haplogroup L" in this study) predominates among Filipino males. This particular haplogroup is also predominant among Chinese and Korean males. That finding is consistent with the theory that people migrated from China south into the Philippines. Another haplogroup, Haplogroup O1a-M119 (labeled as "Haplogroup H" in this study), is also found among Filipinos. The rates of Haplogroup O1a are highest among the Taiwanese Aborigines. Overall, the genetic frequencies found among Filipinos point to the Ami tribe of Taiwan as their nearest genetic relative.
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i think that might as well settles the topic. If the Philippines is included (and they should) then they should be the ones settling Taiwan, along with the Chinese and Japanese.

Kaochai, your from the Philippines, what is your opinion on that?
 
kevinman4404 said:
On the topic of Polynesia: the Lapita area makes sense to me, even though the empire was further east. I'm thinking just NE of PPNG, where exactly is yet to be determined.

Spain: will not have its shape changed. It is the closest possible shape to the real one while still displaying the stubby thing where Barcelona is/

New Zealand:

NOTES:

1) Hopefully the look Ok- theyre from 2 different images, and the world is 3D, so they did not align properly when I combined them. Also, the North Island seems at an angle, and smaller, than the other island... (in the screenshot only)

NI seems ok - with ammendments suggested earlier by Skaithak.

2) No oil/gas placed yet. Possible but not likely.

Umm the Maui oil/gas field lies to the west of the north island and there is intense speculation about the Great South Basin and Thule Bay off Stewart Island. Off shore Gas is certainly present.

Field cumulative production to date
Oil & Condensate: 146.6 MMbbls
Gas: 3008 Bscf
LPG: 19.8 mmbbls
Total: 667.7 mmboe
Production Wells: Maui A -Gas: 14, Maui B Gas: 5 Oil: 5


3) Wine on North Island only. That is the main spot for it.

2006 NZ winegrowers annual (http://www.nzwine.com/assets/2006_Statistical_Annual_Updated_20Nov06.pdf) shows that Marlborough (top of South Island) is no 1. by hectares under cultivation with over 50%. Suggest relocating wine to top of South Island.

4) I placed the coal out of faith. There is no guarantee it'll stay.

Major coal supplies at Greymouth and Ohai/Nightcaps in the south island. I would suggest changing the northenmost mountain into hill terrain and placing a coal. Extend the southern alps chain one more square southwest and lose the 4 squares to the west of the alps.


If any resources are not placed, it is because they are not in my main source, which I used today. They will get added once I have amassed statistics on any ommited resources or omitted regions.

EDIT: and ignore those ruddy graphic glitches! They are because I really messed around with some terrain, and will be gone when the map is reloaded.

Kevin
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Cheers for potentially the best world map I have seen. Sadly my PC will need upgrading to cope
 
I'm half filippino and half chinese , you've might have read it from the thread i made .

so , filipinos are of malay ancestry , although our laguage is austronesian , our culture is not polynesian , but asian .The term polynesia should only apply for the islands of the west pacific ( fiji , solomon is , hawaii ) , while the east indies ( Phil, indonesia) belongs to asia .Although the eastern part ( east timor , papua new guniea , sulawesi) of indonesia could be considerdered as polynesia .And i don't think my history book tells about filipinos settling in taiwan ?

kevin , could you include the philippines in your mod ? They were important in during spanish colonial power .

BTW , in borneo Sabah should be for the philippines not malaysia , so, who will support us ?
 
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