After the Lord of the Rings

What do oyu think about the movie?

  • LotR 4EVA!!!!!

    Votes: 40 70.2%
  • Go Lotr, go lotr.

    Votes: 9 15.8%
  • It's allright.

    Votes: 6 10.5%
  • I want my money back!!

    Votes: 2 3.5%

  • Total voters
    57
Originally posted by The Balrog
"I am glad you?re daughter likes Harry Potter and Lotr and reads too, That?s a good thing for her future academic study.
"


Hello Class, i am your new teacher,
Mr. Curtsibling Enemy Ace but i would prefer if you would call me Mr. Enemy Ace

Lesson one Mr Balrog,
When referring to one-self, a capital "I" is used.
Large fire demon from the mines of Moria, go and sit in the corner.

:lol:

I was merely being respectful to Leo,
Don't you agree kids should read more?
 
Hmm, as an academic and teacher, a Tolkien appreciator, and an evil tyrant, I agree that literacy should be encouraged, and these films and books are doing their little bit towards that aim.

As for sending him into the corner, Curt, you are being far too lenient.

Classroom lesson #1: It is best to establish your authority early on, so randomly bludgeoning a student to death in the first lesson is to be advised. This should be reinforced by several subsequent 'fatal beatings' (trade terminology) in the next half hour to make sure they understand.
From then on, a proper teacher:student relationship of abject fear and mortal terror is established, allowing proper discipline and academic success.
 
Ah! Darkshade Academy,

The School for Promising Dictators!

But keep in mind; this isn't children we are teaching here,
It’s fully grown men and women, who hope to be dictators one
Day! It's a steep learning curve!

My way of keeping the class in line:

While giving the lesson, turning on your heel and letting rip a
Blast of lead from your Mp40 machine pistol into the midst of
The sluggard bunch keeps them paying attention!

Failing that, a good punishment is a brisk sprint across the barren moors...
Pursued of course by rabid Doberman pinschers and Me109s!

:lol:

And back to topic:
Wasn't Arwen Evenstar pretty?
 
Yes, interesting methods Curt, but if you stick at it for too long the Education Ministry starts to investigate.

So, you want me to teach adults as well as children?! Tsk, there go's my free lesson...

For an ideal education system, you cannot go past "Tompkinson's Schooldays" , one of the great 'Ripping Yarns'.:D

As to Arwen, well, she may walk this way,;) and indeed, you don't want to miss a thing,;) but she is not my cup of tea. There were some others though...
 
I think that they should change the commandment that says: You maynot kill (Or something) to: You maynot kill but a beating with death to follow, is OKAY.
 
I think they should change all the Commandments;

Into one easy phrase:

Don't kill, don't steal, think free, update regularly!

The rest is irrelevant detail!

:goodjob:
 
The movie was as good as Hollywood gets. I can't believe they didn't screw this up totally!!!!

From beginning to end, it was almost a different movie going experience. Just something about it. Maybe its just been soooo long since I've seen such a good film.

As far as the literacy question goes, my son...12 yrs old...and I have been deprived of seeing HP because he would not read the book. He wants to see the movie pretty badly, but not badly enough to actually sit down a nd read the first book.

Well, I figured LOTR was a little advanced for him so I wouldn't add the 'read the book' requirement for this one. As soon as we got out, he was ASKING for a copy of The Hobit.

We'll see how it goes, but The Hobbit was my first real novel and set me on my way to a lifetime of reading enjoyment. I truly hope it does so for him and many, many others.
 
VoodooAce, we took our 15-year old niece to see Harry Potter. She had not read the book, and doesn't read much, but was so impressed by the movie she wanted to read the book, so we got her book one for Christmas. Might work with your son? Of course, he's working on the Hobbit now, so maybe not the best timing :crazyeyes
 
Ack! My 11-year-old and I saw LOTR and had a great time with it. He loved it and has since seen it again. I thought this would be a great way to introduce him to The Hobbit and get him reading. His response was something akin to "Why would I READ when I can skateboard and play Metal Gear Solid on my PS2?"

Ug. By his age I was already into the Trilogy. Perhaps these "beatings" I'm hearing about has some merit.....

As far as my thoughts on the movie: I'm quite a Tolkien purist, and while I had my issues with some things, overall I totally enjoyed. I was of two minds when I first heard that they were putting the movies together: on one hand I was psyched that it was going to be brought to life with actual people (though the Rankin/Bass and other animated versions were tolerable for their time) and on the other hand I was sure that it was going to be ruined in the frenzy of Hollywood "interpretation". I was very pleasantly surprised when I saw that the movie stayed relatively true to the book and that it gave a feel very similar to that I felt when I read the books.

The Tom Bombadil/Barrow Wights scene was a disappointment to have left out, but I did not mind that much given the breadth and scope that the movie DID cover.

My only gripes:
1. Substituting Arwen for Glorfindel was dopey. I understand why, but I just thought it was too much. And then have HER make the river swell and take out the Ringwraiths instead of Elrond was annoying. And what was that deal with giving Frodo some of her "life energy" or some such nonsense right after the river thing? As a purist, this is what annoyed me the most.
2. Not enough was done in Lothlorien. I have to admit that I went and bought my son and I some Skittles while this was happening, but there was so much that happened there that seemed integral to the story while reading the book. In the book, it was revealed that she wore one of the three elven rings (can't remember Narya or Nenya) - did they do that while I was absent?
3. The council of Elrond just didn't seem right to me. Looked like a disorganized picnic.

Well, other than the Arwen thing I was just fine, and even with that change I was totally impressed and amazed with how the movie was done.

I can't believe that now I have to wait for a year to see the Two Towers and another before Return of the King! This kills me knowing that the movies are finished and that they're just HOLDING them!!!!!!!
 
In the time of Feanor there were hobbit-like creatures called Druadan, who could become still like stone. Also known as Woses.

where did you find this? i see nothing of any of this in the silmarillion...

"Uruk Orcs are a large species of Orc."

yes, the uruk hai are sarumans tribe. for clarification, in the book, there were both mordor orks and isengards orks in the horde that waylaid the company. sarumans orcs beat up saurons orcs, though.

"Avari, or dark elves…"

most elves of the third age are dark elves, except for galadriel, i think.

"There was also Uinen, Lady of the sea."

yes, a maiar of ulmo

"Uldor, the accursed, leader of the Easterlings."

still a human

"Aule, one of the great Valar, a smith."

one of the fourteen vala(the rulers of middle earth; morgoth was one(but is not counted in the fourteen)). aule made the dwarves

"Balrog is also known as Gothmog."

he is only the head balrog. he was killed long before the lord of the rings starts. they are known (in sindarin(elvish)) as valarauko. they were maiar(the same order as arien, who guides the sun, which is the last flower of the tree laurelin) who morgoth corrupted.

"Annatar was the name of Sauron in the second age.
The evil one has also appeared in the guise of a great warrior, a vampire, and a beast."

he was a maiar of aule(those are the ones that seem to get corrupted the most). his sindarin name is gorthaur.

..

also, on a side note, elbereth(many elves, and frodo, say this name several times throughout the story: Elbereth, a Gilthoniel.)

elbereth(sindarin), or Varda(real name), is the wife of manwe(supreme vala), and is the creator of the stars. the elves hold her most dear(all they had when they were created were stars).

not sure what gilthoniel is
:o

but, this is important, because it is frodo saying her name that drives the wraithes away at weathertop. gandalf or aragorn says to him that it was more the hearing of that word that hurt him than frodo(thinking) he stabbed him.

"I am miffed they missed out the wights, but they may appear in a later movie"

no, they wont appear later in the movie. why would they? they arent important at all, except that they provide hobbits with their daggers of westernesse making. i think they werent in the movie because they would be altogether too confusing. i had to reread that part several times before i actually understood what was going on.

i first read the hobbit in 6th grade when i was eleven, and contunied reading the rest of the books from then on. ive read(and am starting to reread) the silmarillion too(which is where we are getting all of this extra info from(that and the appendices)if you are wondering). there are four other books that i know of too: the unfinished tales, the lays of beleriand, the shaping of middle earth, and the tolkien reader. i havent read those last four...yet.

"1. Substituting Arwen for Glorfindel was dopey. I understand why, but I just thought it was too much. And then have HER make the river swell and take out the Ringwraiths instead of Elrond was annoying. And what was that deal with giving Frodo some of her "life energy" or some such nonsense right after the river thing? As a purist, this is what annoyed me the most.
2. Not enough was done in Lothlorien. I have to admit that I went and bought my son and I some Skittles while this was happening, but there was so much that happened there that seemed integral to the story while reading the book. In the book, it was revealed that she wore one of the three elven rings (can't remember Narya or Nenya) - did they do that while I was absent?
3. The council of Elrond just didn't seem right to me. Looked like a disorganized picnic."

yes, i had those same problems. plus, giving saruman a bigger role was also troubling; one might have even thought the balrog was on his side. they almost made galadriel look evil too. one of the friends i went to go see it with(hasnt read the books(said he was going to, though, after he had seen the movie)) said: "she was good?!"

oh well. after seeing the movie a second time, ive rethought my 'stance' on it, and im liking it more and more. my dad, who hates fantasy, said it was one of his favourite movies. and hes only read the hobbit, only because i kept bothering him about it.
 
As a movie it was mostly very good (nothing compared to the book, but that can't be helped).

There were, however, two glaringly bad points.

1. Sauron- Could they possibly have made him look any cheesier? Dark Lord?-he looked like the Tin Man after assertiveness lessons.

2. The Balrog- The thing had all the realism of a Thunderbirds puppet. I read an interview with someone from the special effects company working on the LOTR films. The guy said they needed to improve their abilty to depict motion- I'll second that.
 
"Ug. By his age I was already into the Trilogy. Perhaps these "beatings" I'm hearing about has some merit....."

Trust me, there is nothing more educational than the occasional beating unto the point of death. It sure shows what is right and what isn't ;)

Points regarding the film itself, and Tolkien.
Glaurung, there is more than 4 other books on Middle Earth; there are 12 in the History of Middle Earth series. You refer to the first three. As for the "Tolkien Reader", I am not sure what you refer to, but there was a tome published under the title "A Tolkien Treasury", which contains a great deal of info.
The Woses appear in the latter part of the trilogy, RK, IIRC.

One would recommend Robert Foster's "A Complete Guide to Middle Earth, which is the ultimate easy reference source.

I thought that Lorien was a bit too short, and therefore not soul cleansing enough, and that Boromir's last stand should have been more epic and bloody, to further reinforce his carthartic purging of guilt through battle. As it is, not enough attention is shown to him at that stage.
Several other gripes, but they are forgotten when one considers the overall package.
The sound/music is incredible, and really adds to the film, in the manner of Excalibur.
 
In the time of Feanor there were hobbit-like creatures called Druadan, who could become still like stone. Also known as Woses.
The Drúadan were most emphatically NOT like hobbits! They were the ancestors of the Wild Men of the Wood, between Gondor and Rohan, and of the now-long-gone Púkel-men whose statues line the trail to Dunharrow in Rohan.
not sure what gilthoniel is
Gilthoniel = 'Star-Kindler' - direct translation from Sindarin Elvish.

Haven't seen the movie yet, but looking forward eagarly.
 
Padma, thanks for the correction!
I shall be banished to the ice deserts!

Great lord Glaurung, will you excuse my humble mistake?
I was typing from memory, forgive my mortal mind…

As Simon kindly pointed out, there is more to the works of
JRR Tolkien than the Rings books or the Silmarillion...

I would expect one so bold as to use Glaurung’s name as his ID
Would know that at least...
As well as the books Simon recommended, I would suggest
Farmer Giles of ham and the Unfinished Tales, both treasure troves,

And I hear dragons like treasure, even pedantic ones.

And by the way, if you and Mrog think the Film was so bad,
Please go and make your own movie, and give us all a break
From your whines.

And Mrog, if you think you can do better than Lotr's CGI
Then go and make some of your own animated routines
On Lightwave, I assume you are a top 3D artist to make such
Opinions….

Moviemakers are there to make money, not to pander to
Fantasy snobs, like yourselves. The film was a fine effort
Considering we live in an age of formula films.

It is this fantasy snobbery that is so damaging to the genre,
And as a fantasy creator myself, it really annoys me.

The great Rings book gets the treatment it finally deserves
Since Ralph Bashki made a mess of it in the 70’s and all the
Purists can do is whinge, It makes me sick.

GO AND MAKE YOUR OWN DAMN MOVIE!

:rolleyes:
 
"And by the way, if you and Mrog think the Film was so bad..."

If you read my post you'll see that I stated the film was mostly very good

"Please go and make your own movie, and give us all a break From your whines."

I thought the point of this thread was for people to give their opinions.

"And Mrog, if you think you can do better than Lotr's CGI Then go and make some of your own animated routines On Lightwave,..."

I don't recall saying that I could do better

"I assume you are a top 3D artist to make such Opinions…."

No I'm just a guy who spent money to see a film - doesn't that give me the right to an opinion?
If one of the most dramatic scenes is detracted from by the sight of Gandulf (done very nicely I thought) fighting a oversized smouldering muppet then of course I have an opinion.

"Moviemakers are there to make money, not to pander to Fantasy snobs, like yourselves. The film was a fine effort Considering we live in an age of formula films. It is this fantasy snobbery that is so damaging to the genre, And as a fantasy creator myself, it really annoys me."

You seem to be confusing me with someone else. I am not a fantasy / Tolkien purist or snob. For mr TLOTR is a nice late-childhood memory, not a current obsession. My critisims related to some visual aspects of the film, not to the way the story as a whole was depicted or told.
I stated that the film was nothing compared to the book and I stand by that. Why? Because unless one has the most feeble of imaginations the images in your mind can not be matched by special effects.
"The great Rings book gets the treatment it finally deserves Since Ralph Bashki made a mess of it in the 70’s and all the Purists can do is whinge, It makes me sick."

Don't forget the animated version.

"GO AND MAKE YOUR OWN DAMN MOVIE!"

If you take other people's opinions about the film so personally, maybe you should avoid reading them and avoid the anguish. Or stick to fan-sites where you will never encounter an opposing view.
 
My rant was not directed at you personally.

I was having a dig at the people who are not impressed with
the flick, because it doesn't match their vision...

I know you were talking about a different aspect of the movie.
And I have nothing against you or anyone's opinion...
My apologies if I sounded nasty, not my intention...

I was miffed at a few missing bits from the book myself.
But only up to a point....I'm just glad they didn't make a total mess of it...

Bashki's was the animated version, he made a mess of it in
that he didn't finish the damn thing.

And worry not, I take nothing personally.
It would be a bit odd if I did; seeing as I didn't make the movie!
I'm not a fan-boy. So it's no skin off my back!

Just out of interest, what movie's CGI would you say looks realistic,
In your opinion?
 
OK Curt- no offence taken or intended.

What CGI have I found realistic? I don't think I've ever seen any portrayal of an animate entity that looked good on second viewing. I have, however, been impressed with a few things the first time around. Some scenes from Jurasic Park for example. Also the cave troll from LOTR looked fine to me (although some of the scenes with other characters on top of it put me in mind of minature dolls- please articulate those limbs!)
 
As a 3D artist myself, I thought the stuf was pretty good,

You noticed!
The guys on top of the troll were a bit...suspect!

Anyway, thanks for not taking offence!

:goodjob:
 
I though Boromir's death was amazing. Surrounded by a score of orcs, picked off with arrows, repentent and forlorn. Just last night in the theatre some kid shouted "OH NO!" when he got struck by the first arrow. Heh.

The Balrog and Sauron also seemed perfectly acceptable, not carrying any mis or pre conceptions with me into the cinema (leaving the animated version and all concepts of fiery demons behind me).

The Balrog was like a walking blast furnace. I felt hot just watching it. Sauron was an imposing sight on the field of battle - towering above the men and elves and blasting them away.
 
I think they could have drawn out the Balrog encouter a bit more. Gandalf got rid of him a bit easily, imo.

"I though Boromir's death was amazing. Surrounded by a score of orcs, picked off with arrows, repentent and forlorn."

I guess this is a matter of opinion. For me, it was not heroic enough to balance out his betrayal, and to have the intended cathartic effect. Even though he took down about 12 orcs, he was outshone by Aragorn.
It just needed a touch more of him protecting Merry and Pippin, rather than them charging into battle after a brief moment of resistance.

Read somewhere that the actors of the fellowship each got a tattoo to commerate the filming. That's taking method acting a bit far, IMO.
 
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