Aggie vs ERIKK, ladder

[ERIKK]

Bah!

I though we agreed that it was time for some peace after all these wars!!! You are even worse than anarres... Let me remind you that I will not tolerate another human player going for a domination vic.... Stop this war!!!!!!!!

Are you THAT much in need for a leader????

 

[Aggie]

Ehm ERIKK... I don't recall that we agreed upon a peace with the AI. We talked about it, but we didn't agree. I can understand that YOU would like it very much. Sorry that you misunderstood me, but this has been my plan for a long time. Ever since I wrecked my rep by a dumb oversight, cutting a trade route to the Arabs.

Note that I declared war while I didn't have a deal with the Aztecs. I don't see anything wrong here.

 

[anarres]

Originally posted by ERIKK
You are even worse than anarres...

You hate someone else more than me!!

Let me remind you that I will not tolerate another human player going for a domination vic....

Now that sounds like a threat!

We appear to be missing the treaty that explains the AI interaction. I read something in one of the spoiler threads about it, but can one of you post it here so at least you are both looking at the same treaty. We all know how difficult it can be to agree what a treaty means a little while after the event, even when it is written down in public.

 

[Aggie]

I think it's a good idea anarres. However, AFAIK al treaties are mentioned in this open thread...

Apart from the deal we made that we wouldn't have a worldwide coalition vs the other until ERIKK's joined coalition against me expired. This was done to prevent constant war between us with the AI's as tools. Without that deal I would probably have been able to make peace with most of the AI after 4 turns and then have the AI in a MA vs ERIKK.

That deal expired at turn 133.

I'm very interested in ERIKK's interpretation of our discussion on Monday however...

 

[ERIKK]

We didnt have any treaty, we just talked about all these wars and Aggie and me both thought that is would be nice to have some peace again (and let the Ai recover a bit)...

The next turn he declares war on the AI!

 

[Aggie]

ERIKK. I'm am sorry that we misunderstood each other Monday. Really. I should have said: 'I don't agree'.

However, I would never agree on peace with the AI at this point in the game. As far as I see it, it would almost be saying: 'I surrender'. I think that I had to do this mainly for long term benefit. Surely you understand that I couldn't and can't tell you all my reasons for doing so.

In fact, I would never have agreed upon our peace until 216 if a non-agression pact against the AI was included.

 

[ERIKK]

Sure, just remember what I said: if you plan to take over the Aztecs and the Romans in those 20 turns dont be surprised when in turn 216 a large invasion force shows up at your borders....

At least leave the Romans alone!

 

[ERIKK]

Addition to above:

The Persians have had their time with appeasement policies. It looks like warmongering dictator annares has simply been exchanged for warmongering dictator aggie...

 

[Aggie]

Well, due too circumstances it ended up like this. It might sound strange now, but if you would have suggested to disable conquest and domination at the start or even around turn 131, I would have agreed. As far as I can remember I stuck to the deals we made. And I also remember very well that YOU were the one that started all this, by uniting all forces against me.

Believe it or not, I'm usually a very peacefull player...

This game is far from over and it can go either way. Let's have fun!

Obviously playing against humans is a whole lot different than playing against predictable AI. That what I have learned so far from this first PBEM of mine.

 

[ERIKK]

Originally posted by Aggie
Well, due too circumstances it ended up like this.

Attacking the Romans instead would make more sense to me... But because Domination is turned on I cannot let it go and have to act. If you take all Roman and Aztec lands you will be close to the domination limit (I think)...

 

[col]

Erikk is very sensitive about opponents reaching the dom limit these days

 

[anarres]

Originally posted by ERIKK
Attacking the Romans instead would make more sense to me... But because Domination is turned on I cannot let it go and have to act. If you take all Roman and Aztec lands you will be close to the domination limit (I think)...

I thought the whole point of this was to win? Domination is a perfectly valid form of victory.

It makes 'more sense to me' for Aggie to get as much land as possible. You should be doing this too, if not to get domination yourself, then to stop Aggie getting it.

I do like your style of threats though. 'If you do that I'll stomp on your face'. hehehehehe

 

[ERIKK]

Originally posted by anarres
I thought the whole point of this was to win? Domination is a perfectly valid form of victory.

It makes 'more sense to me' for Aggie to get as much land as possible. You should be doing this too, if not to get domination yourself, then to stop Aggie getting it.

I know he does sound and reasonable things but I am just telling him quite fair what the consequences of these actions can be. I am clearly playing the diplomat here...

Originally posted by anarres
I do like your style of threats though. 'If you do that I'll stomp on your face'. hehehehehe

I am being crystal clear about that I will break a treaty if my life depends on it...

 

[anarres]

That's the kind of diplomacy we like!!!! Bring it on!!

I am clearly playing the diplomat here...

I will break a treaty if my life depends on it...

 

[ERIKK]

Originally posted by anarres


That's the kind of diplomacy we like!!!! Bring it on!!

You dont get it, you crazy warmongering dictator! I am trying to avoid war here by pointing out that aggie should not think that he can hide beyond his peace treaty with me while taking over the world!

 

[Aggie]

Originally posted by ERIKK
I know he does sound and reasonable things but I am just telling him quite fair what the consequences of these actions can be. I am clearly playing the diplomat here...

I am being crystal clear about that I will break a treaty if my life depends on it...

Well, you could have thought about that before. Did you really think that I would sit back and see you get a diplo or space race win? If you want to break our treaty, be my guest. My cities will welcome the Persian liberators...

Sometimes things just don't turn out the way you want it to. I didn't know what to think of the 216 turn peace deal. I thought about it and said 'yes' with a goal in mind. I'm not going to tell which one here...

I won't put you in the drivers' seat just because you're an Ajax fan as well ;-)

But let's talk on MSN Friday. Maybe we can get to a deal that works out for both of us.

 

[ERIKK]

Originally posted by Aggie
I won't put you in the drivers' seat just because you're an Ajax fan as well ;-)

Same goes for me... And I did thought you would end attacking AI's after the Celts and Japs were gone... It sure seemed like it last monday.

 

[anarres]

I would say:

'Don't sign a treaty unless you plan to keep it'

You would say:

'I'll sign anything I want and I'll break it if my opponent does something I don't want them to do'

Maybe you need more 'non-AI agression' clauses in your treaties, this is the second game in a row where you have got annoyed at the other player taking out the AI.

 

[ERIKK]

Originally posted by anarres
I would say:
'Don't sign a treaty unless you plan to keep it'
You would say:
'I'll sign anything I want and I'll break it if my opponent does something I don't want them to do'

This matters reaching the domination limit here, ending the game. The Aztec and Roman lands cover 20% of the surface. I wonder what you would do in the same situation...

Again it seemed like aggie would leave the AI alone and after 216 things would get REALLY interesting with 3 big ai's and 2 bigger human players...

Originally posted by anarres
Maybe you need more 'non-AI agression' clauses in your treaties, this is the second game in a row where you have got annoyed at the other player taking out the AI.

We need that indeed.

 

[ERIKK]

Hey Aggie, we haven't traded maps in the entire game! Lets trade maps please?

(Pretty please with sugar on top! )