Al Gore: Hero or Hypocrite?

[carlosMM]

I am quoting his OWN spokesperson in that 'misleading' article. Are you saying Gores own spokesperson is being misleading?

If I quote you saying 'As usual', and add to the text 'The earth is flat', then that makes the earth flat?

Plase, do not insult the intelligence of us all here

I have brought my proof. You, however, have none to offer what-so-evah.

As usual.

Nope, you'll need to do better than this, you'll have to actually bring proof. not just snippets of statements.

You claimed:

Anyway, Gore has burned far more energy over all his travels around the world than he is able to offset.

Prove it!

 

[MobBoss]

Well, we all know Republicans say a lot if the day is long:

Let me get this straight. You are saying that a news story in regards to electricity comsumption at the VP residence is only factual in how it refers to Cheney's usage, but not Al Gores usage?

Please, its all from the same story from a lib news outlet. You want to prove the PI's story wrong, go prove it wrong yourself.

 

[FriendlyFire]

Let me get this straight. You are saying that a news story in regards to electricity comsumption at the VP residence is only factual in how it refers to Cheney's usage, but not Al Gores usage?

Please, its all from the same story from a lib news outlet. You want to prove the PI's story wrong, go prove it wrong yourself.

Uh clam down Mobboss.
Just remember you asked to see the actual WMD testing data before you accepted any of the findings put out by Pentagon, whitehouse, media, generals, former sec of defence etc.
(Classified - we'll probably find out in another 40 years)

DECLASSIFIED ISG findings here
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/report/2004/isg-report_key_findings_30sep04.pdf
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/report/2005/isg-addendums_mar2005.pdf

 

[carlosMM]

Let me get this straight. You are saying that a news story in regards to electricity comsumption at the VP residence is only factual in how it refers to Cheney's usage, but not Al Gores usage?

No, I am saying that they did not produce documents and that they are at the very least partisan. The news story is certainly correct in quoting them as saying it, but did they tell the truth?

Please, its all from the same story from a lib news outlet. You want to prove the PI's story wrong, go prove it wrong yourself.

Lib news outlet? Prove that. Oh, and please prove that the original press release is from a lib source, which you here insinuate. And, while you are at it, prove Gore can't offset his travel energy use.

 

[MobBoss]

FALSE, as usual you are intentionally misinterpreting my post. let me quote you again what I REALLY said:

Nope, not intentionally misinterpreting anything. Even Atlas thought that was what you were saying http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=5153164&postcount=137 So, its not a strawman at all. If I am misinterpreting what you meant, by all means please clarify why you said 'please name 5' in regards to 'terror lists'.

Which of those 5 are poeple that Atlas14 knows?

Now who's strawmanning? Are you really trying to make the point he has to personally know them? Please....thats just pathetic, I mean really...

I will, once YOU finally bring the proof I asked for. So far, you have tried to distract everyone's attention from the fact that you have failed to bring it. I asked first, so you answer first.

Back to the playground for a quick game of 'touched you last'?

Please quote me where I said they were a terrorist group. If you continue to build up strawmen, I can play that game with you.

You said and I quote "I can tell you who the possible terrorsits are: extreme right wing Rednecks, e.g., who feel that his stance threatens their right to pollute." I didnt realize you were such an expert on the ERWR. Are they are are they not a group? Make up your mind man!

This goes for you, my friend, as you still can't bring what was asked for, and I DID ask first.

Touched you last!

 

[Murky]

Don't you guys ever get tired of the partisan politics?

 

[carlosMM]

Nope, not intentionally misinterpreting anything. Even Atlas thought that was what you were saying http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=5153164&postcount=137 So, its not a strawman at all. If I am misinterpreting what you meant, by all means please clarify why you said 'please name 5' in regards to 'terror lists'.

It is not my problem if you do not understand what I wrote - it was plain simple English.

Now who's strawmanning? Are you really trying to make the point he has to personally know them? Please....thats just pathetic, I mean really...

He claimed he knows people- so I asked. Does that give you a problem? It that a reason to twist my words?

Back to the playground for a quick game of 'touched you last'?

Yeah yeah, can you now bring your proof?

You said and I quote "I can tell you who the possible terrorsits are: extreme right wing Rednecks, e.g., who feel that his stance threatens their right to pollute." I didnt realize you were such an expert on the ERWR. Are they are are they not a group? Make up your mind man!

This is not about me making up my mind, this about you making a claim I said something I never did. YOU said 'group', you capitalized them. So go quote me or take back what you said.

Touched you last!

Will you now bring the proof? Or admit you made an unfounded statement?

 

[MobBoss]

No, I am saying that they did not produce documents and that they are at the very least partisan. The news story is certainly correct in quoting them as saying it, but did they tell the truth?

It also quotes Gores spokesman and the utility company records.

Lib news outlet? Prove that.

Ask anyone from around the Pacific Northwest. The Seattle PI most assuredly is a liberal leaning newspaper. But since you are such a stickler for proof, how about the wiki?

The P-I is notable for its excellent political coverage, its tradition of outstanding columnists and its two-time Pulitzer Prize-winning editorial cartoonist, David Horsey. Editorally, the P-I is seen as more liberal than the Times, endorsing Al Gore over George W. Bush in the 2000 presidential election. However, both papers endorsed John Kerry over George W. Bush in the 2004 presidential election.

I highlighted the specific part to answer your question and make it easier for you to find.

Speaking of finding stories...I found this one and it could be why the Gores started looking into Green Energy offsets. Please note the date: Its from July 2006. http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2006-08-09-gore-green_x.htm

Public records reveal that as Gore lectures Americans on excessive consumption, he and his wife Tipper live in two properties: a 10,000-square-foot, 20-room, eight-bathroom home in Nashville, and a 4,000-square-foot home in Arlington, Va. (He also has a third home in Carthage, Tenn.) For someone rallying the planet to pursue a path of extreme personal sacrifice, Gore requires little from himself.

Then there is the troubling matter of his energy use. In the Washington, D.C., area, utility companies offer wind energy as an alternative to traditional energy. In Nashville, similar programs exist. Utility customers must simply pay a few extra pennies per kilowatt hour, and they can continue living their carbon-neutral lifestyles knowing that they are supporting wind energy. Plenty of businesses and institutions have signed up. Even the Bush administration is using green energy for some federal office buildings, as are thousands of area residents.

But according to public records, there is no evidence that Gore has signed up to use green energy in either of his large residences. When contacted Wednesday, Gore's office confirmed as much but said the Gores were looking into making the switch at both homes. Talk about inconvenient truths.

Thats from USAToday. No wonder Gore got himself some carbon offsets - the cat was out of the bag and some damage control was in order.

Prove it!

Whats to prove? The man uses a private jet constantly. If you consider that even a single short flight of a private jet puts out thousands upon thousands of pounds of CO2 into the air, and then you multiply this by how much Gore flies, you are going to come up with a huge carbon footprint - one far, far larger than $432 a year will cover. Exactly how does one offset the carbon footprint of the private jets one takes?

Where is your common sense?

 

[El_Machinae]

Pretty much anyone, ANYONE that has a current and active role in the administration or military that is in a high position will be more at risk than Al Gore is.

I can't believe that part of your debate/attack is that the man shouldn't need security. I mean, wasn't there a Nicolas Cage movie where he's SS protecting the ex-First Lady? Isn't it kinda given that upper level politicians/ex-politicians get security?

 

[El_Machinae]

Whats to prove? The man uses a private jet constantly. If you consider that even a single short flight of a private jet puts out thousands upon thousands of pounds of CO2 into the air, and then you multiply this by how much Gore flies, you are going to come up with a huge carbon footprint - one far, far larger than $432 a year will cover. Exactly how does one offset the carbon footprint of the private jets one takes?

Where is your common sense?

I've already quoted a response to what you're writing about here. Honestly, your crusade is blinding you. Much like the 'carbon offsets' were brought up on the first page of the topic.

– In his private life, Gore tries to reduce his emissions as much as possible. He drives a hybrid, flies commercially whenever he can, and purchases green power. In the few instances where work has demanded that he travel privately, he purchases carbon offsets for the emissions.

I even bold it last time.
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=5152356&postcount=76

 

[DBear]

Of course Al Gore is a hypocrite, like any other cult leader.

 

[sonorakitch]

I bet he is still consuming far less than say Bush. What say you?

Who cares. Fact is, Al Gore is tromping around the country giving us the facts of an inconvenient truth, and we should each do our part to curb the ailment, and yet he refuses to make his life more inconvenient and do his part.

He is a hypocrite that should be party to our next satellite launch.

~Chris

 

[El_Machinae]

Who cares. Fact is, Al Gore is tromping around the country giving us the facts of an inconvenient truth, and we should each do our part to curb the ailment, and yet he refuses to make his life more inconvenient and do his part.

He is a hypocrite that should be party to our next satellite launch.

~Chris

Read the thread: he actually has a zero carbon footprint now.

 

[Atlas14]

An ex-VP? Would YOU risk it and assume he is not? Killing for money? It is rather about killing for political motives, and I'd say an ex-VP is at risk.

Ex-VPs, sorry to break your bubble, aren't important. Wiping Al Gore off this planet would do next to nothing to instilling fear and terror into the minds of the American populace. If the terrorists were going to waste precious time/resources planning an attack on Ex-VP Al Gore who nobody even cares about anymore, then consider me in danger too. As a matter of fact, consider everyone on this forum a potential terrorist target.

 

[sonorakitch]

Read the thread: he actually has a zero carbon footprint now.

Frankly, I could give a rats arse about his purchasing of carbon credits or any of that nonsense. Fact is, he could still put his big bucks into energy research and the like and still limit his expensive take-offs and landings and reduce the size of his home a few thousand square feet.

What the hell does a carbon footprint have to do with the hundreds of trees chopped down to craft his wainscoat chair-rail in his 16 seat dining room? Nothing!

~Chris

PS- This is akin to the Kyoto protocol: Britain can still smog up the air, but it buys some credits from the ruskies and everything is alright. I don't buy it.

 

[El_Machinae]

That's merely because you seemingly don't understand it.

 

[sonorakitch]

That's merely because you seemingly don't understand it.

Oh! I get it now! He is a hero! Thanks!

~Chris

PS-Actually, it is you who doesn't seem to "get it". I don't care if he is offsetting his carbon emissions (and yes, I understand the concept thoroughly). He could still send a stake of his huge profits from his film (not to mention his position with Google) to power wind farms and research fuel cells and implement green building programs around the country while living a more green life. He could choose to downsize his enormous home shared only with his wife; he could choose to fly first class aboard United rather than spew out emmissions from a 45 or 350. If he truly wants to send a message to the poor lowly folk who cannot afford to invest in wind farms or research fuel cells, he could live a little more green. In fact sir, the re-hashed MobBoss thread you introduced even includes your own condemnation of the apparent hypocrisy of telling others to reduce emmissions while burning more and more himself. (I believe you used the infamous line "walk the walk")

Hell, I am going to buy carbon credits and then go burn down all the trees on my north 40. I am going to detune all my cars and let some pressure out of the tires. I am going to do burnouts down my street and then burn the tires in my backyard when they get bald. But if I buy the credits, I can pat myself on the back as a "green man".

Do you not see the hypocrisy? Is he a hero?

 

[RedWolf]

Do you not see the hypocrisy? Is he a hero?

Why does he have to be either? Why not something in between?

He's justa guy spreading the word about one of the most serious issues facing our society today. In the process he's doing what he can to change the way he lives which is more then what 95% of people are doing.

Has he taken a vow of poverty? No.. But have YOU? Have I? All said and done I think what he's doing has a positive effect - ie: We're better off because he IS doing it.

 

[El_Machinae]

Hell, I am going to buy carbon credits and then go burn down all the trees on my north 40. I am going to detune all my cars and let some pressure out of the tires. I am going to do burnouts down my street and then burn the tires in my backyard when they get bald. But if I buy the credits, I can pat myself on the back as a "green man".

Do you not see the hypocrisy? Is he a hero?

If you offset your consumption, go nuts. It's not like we're communists, forcing people to live a certain lifestyle. The main goal is to capture the externalities of CO2 production. As long as you pay for it, it's yours.

So, have fun deflating your tires. If you're offsetting the cost, then you're paying more for the privledge, but it's a fair price.

But your basic complaint is that he's not doing more, not donating enough? I guess that's true for everyone. Of course, you should look at the totals that he donates before judging the man. I don't know what that is, but I suspect it's more than I donate.

 

[VX250]

Al Gore is just a famewhore. I'm glad he lost the election.

He better not run again.

He's well past his use-buy date.