Alien encounters

[Wyrmshadow]

Clears throat (ehem Ridicule)

 

[thestonesfan]

Warp travel isn't necessary and it's pretty convincingly impossible, near as I can tell.

More conventional methods are quite practical.

Check out http://www.discover.com/recent_issue/index.html, find the August 2003 issue, and read the "Star Trek" article. Fascinating ideas.

 

[Bozo Erectus]

From the article: But NASA experiments with isolation chambers on the ground have successfully recycled water for up to 90 days by condensing vapor in the air and reprocessing wastewater and urine.

So youre on a 50 year voyage to another star and the thingy that recycles the toilet water breaks down in the 10th year...

Great article, lots of hard data. I never said it was impossible. Im saying its illogical. Use up tremendous, insane amounts of energy and resources to come all the way here just to fly around probing farmers and drawing pictures in cornfields?? Are the aliens nuts?

 

[a space oddity]

Yes, they're as 'odd' as they come.. (guess what I voted )

 

[thestonesfan]

Originally posted by Dumb pothead
From the article: But NASA experiments with isolation chambers on the ground have successfully recycled water for up to 90 days by condensing vapor in the air and reprocessing wastewater and urine.

So youre on a 50 year voyage to another star and the thingy that recycles the toilet water breaks down in the 10th year...

Great article, lots of hard data. I never said it was impossible. Im saying its illogical. Use up tremendous, insane amounts of energy and resources to come all the way here just to fly around probing farmers and drawing pictures in cornfields?? Are the aliens nuts?

I agree with you, DP. Common sense says that the aliens would probably try and communicate with us.

Unless they were just going to kill us all, or enslave us.

 

[cgannon64]

Do aliens exist? Most likely.

Are they as intelligent as us? That's a different story. I once read somewhere that discovery of the radio (which would allow them to know we exist if they lived close enough) comes with knowledge about the atom, and that comes with the atomic bomb.

One has to wonder...could we, for all our faults, be more moral than a possible alien race? Or could we, for all our faults, have gotten lucky in the 20th century by not destroying ourselves?

What if there are thousands of alien civilizations out there that had nuclear holocausts?

 

[WillJ]

Originally posted by Kryten
Now, we have the whole planet covered with radar and surveillance satellites, looking out for each other’s weapons and surprise attacks, so we should detect them.
But, as they are so advanced, they may have some sort of radar shield or ‘cloaking device’, rendering them invisible, like our relatively primitive stealth aircraft.

Logical conclusion = they are here to study us, and are so advanced that we can’t detect them.

So why oh why do they have big flashing red lights on their ships!?!
(You don’t put bright flashing lights on a stealth aircraft!)

Final conclusion = they aren’t aliens!

[I'm assuming that you are perflectly serious despite your at the end.] Um, if we couldn’t see them we wouldn’t know they were here, and therefore the reports of UFOs with flashing lights might be fake, but there’s plenty of times when they could have come without visible UFOs. Not everyone who sees aliens claims they came in ridiculous looking space-traveling vehicles.

Also, you’re forgetting another reason why they could have come: They came here accidentally. They were just flying by one day when they saw this blue sphere and decided to check it out. And it’s not unlikely that that could have happened more than once, maybe even by the same aliens. Maybe they’re planning an invasion...

And obviously our methods of detection (radar, satellites etc.) don't deal with big flashing red lights; after all, if there's red lights we don't need radar anyway, right? So it's possible that they had anti-radar devices and also decided to have cool looking red lights. Now, why would they do that, you may ask? To make "logical" people like you assume that the alien sightings are false. Not only that, but hey, ya gotta have style. Not to mention that these aliens don't necessarily have to be 100% logical.

So no, you cannot conclude that there haven't been genuine alien sightings. It may be very unlikely, but not impossible.

 

[Wyrmshadow]

They appear quite frequently on radar, airport and military. But such evidence is forcibly forgotten or destroyed.

 

[Smaasnekje]

The reason we exists is because of a series of impossibilities.. Some people say that we impossible are alone, so we might be alone but that's impossible so we might not..




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[Kryten]

Originally posted by WillJ
And obviously our methods of detection (radar, satellites etc.) don't deal with big flashing red lights; after all, if there's red lights we don't need radar anyway, right? So it's possible that they had anti-radar devices and also decided to have cool looking red lights. Now, why would they do that, you may ask? To make "logical" people like you assume that the alien sightings are false. Not only that, but hey, ya gotta have style. Not to mention that these aliens don't necessarily have to be 100% logical.

.....or maybe they are good space drivers, and after turning left at Venus, they have forgotten to turn off their indicators.

 

[Civrules]

Anyway...for the sightings above the famous "Area 51", why the hell do people make such a big deal about it?! They are just testing some aircraft like they did the SR-71 and the B-2 etc. Why do they immediately relate the lights in the sky to aliens?

And no, I've not seen one ever.

 

[Bozo Erectus]

Originally posted by Wyrmshadow
They appear quite frequently on radar, airport and military. But such evidence is forcibly forgotten or destroyed.

What you have are unexplained anomalies. To leap to the conclusion that these blips are creatures from a distant star who've come here to observe us is illogical and a pretty big leap.

 

[Archer 007]

They may exist, but I doubt we have encoured it.

 

[Wyrmshadow]

Originally posted by Dumb pothead


What you have are unexplained anomalies. To leap to the conclusion that these blips are creatures from a distant star who've come here to observe us is illogical and a pretty big leap.

Tell me why is it illogical? And poeple like you putting a blanket condemnation like that just sickens me. Nevermind about the question, I'm removing myself from this discussion because it isnt one.

 

[Aphex_Twin]

The shere ammount of "data" on aliens is in no way proof of their existance. If anything, it's only proof that the US, Russian or whatever other military's campaign to divert attention from their black projects has worked. There's no aliens, just suited up goverment people (or Hollywood) spreading mis-information. UFOs are either unknown atmospheric behavious, satellites, weird new aircraft from Area 51, or tricks the mind plays on us.

 

[Aphex_Twin]

Originally posted by Wyrmshadow
Tell me why is it illogical? And poeple like you putting a blanket condemnation like that just sickens me. Nevermind about the question, I'm removing myself from this discussion because it isnt one.

You mean: "Why, oh why won't you get it through your thick skulls that aliens are out there watching us, ready to invade. I mean, haven't you watched Mars attacks, or Independence day? Oh, the humanity !"

 

[Bozo Erectus]

Originally posted by Wyrmshadow

Tell me why is it illogical? And poeple like you putting a blanket condemnation like that just sickens me. Nevermind about the question, I'm removing myself from this discussion because it isnt one.

Dude look at my name. Its Dumb pothead. Who the HELL cares what a dumb pothead thinks? Calm down, sheesh. Anyway, the simplest explanation is usually the correct one. For example: Im walking down the street and see a big hole in the middle of the sidewalk. I automatically cycle through a series of scenarios that could cause this hole and rank them by order of likelyhood.

1. Somebody dropped a safe or something from a high window.

2. The City is making some repairs and they forgot to put up the Men at Work signs.

3. During the night, a spaceship from the planet Neutron had a rough landing there after its anti gravity drive malfunctioned.

See where Im going with this? Ok so there are some radar anomalies that havent been properly explained. What scenario is most likely to explain what caused alot of them: a flock of birds passing by, a shooting star, a malfunction of the radar itself, or a spaceship from the planet Neutron?

 

[Hygro]

Originally posted by Wyrmshadow


Tell me why is it illogical? And poeple like you putting a blanket condemnation like that just sickens me. Nevermind about the question, I'm removing myself from this discussion because it isnt one.

No dude! You're holding your own!

And he's right people. Whether its aliens (there's evidence) or psychics (dont mean to ruin your fun but proven), nobody wants to be caught dead believing in the subject, are talking to one who does. Forget mass religion! All we need is some insecure people willing to ridicule.

 

[Aphex_Twin]

Hygro, it's not just the quantity of evidence that's important. For instance, take a look at this guy who gives evidence for a Flat Earth:

A. Some evidence for the flat earth concept:
1. Many passages in the Bible are consistent with a flat earth.
2. The land looks flat, even when viewed from high up or when measured by surveyors' instruments.
3. The surface of every body of water is flat. (See experiment conducted by Alfred Russel Wallace and John
Hampden to test this hypothesis ¾ described in Schadewald's publications.)
4. In nature there is an "up" and a "down." If the earth were round, people in Australia would hang by their
heels.
5. There is no gravitation.
6. The circumference of the earth at 45° south latitude is double what it is at 45° north latitude, because in the
south the meridians of longitude spread out as they approach the South Ice Wall.
7. The space program is a fraud. The space shuttle is a joke. Thc Apollo moon project was a Hollywood
scenario written and directed by Arthur C. Clarke, well-known science fiction writer.
8. In certain eclipses of the moon, both the moon and the sun are seen above the horizon. Thus the earth cannot
be a round body positioned between the sun and the moon.

This guy goes about it in a very "scientific" manner (9 page document):
http://www.strom.clemson.edu/publications/bartlett/bartlett2.pdf


Also, one argument from long ago:

"Those who affirm [a belief in antipodes] do not claim to possess any actual information; they merely conjecture that, since the Earth is suspended within the concavity of the heavens, and there is as much room on the one side of it as on the other, therefore the part which is beneath cannot be void of human inhabitants. They fail to notice that, even should it be believed or demonstrated that the world is round or spherical in form, it does not follow that the part of the Earth opposite to us is not completely covered with water, or that any conjectured dry land there should be inhabited by men. For Scripture, which confirms the truth of its historical statements by the accomplishment of its prophecies, teaches not falsehood; and it is too absurd to say that some men might have set sail from this side and, traversing the immense expanse of ocean, have propagated there a race of human beings descended from that one first man." (Augustine - De Civitate Dei, xvi, 9)

 

[Hygro]

I never mentioned anything about quantity.

Most of that flat earth stuff is not even evidence but just speculation.