Aloha communication thread

[1889]

That might be kind of rude. Lets try and help them out a little, they'll tell us when the end is near and we can start hinting that giving us all possable help is better than letting it all go to waste.

I'd bet that most Alohans will quit and a few will go to Epsilon.

 

[grant2004]

I agree, we should take whatever we can get from them before they die, if that extra hundred gold will allow us to grab another tech from them then it will certainly be worth it.

 

[1889]

Proposed message to Aloha. I'd like to send it latter today.

Aloha Aloha,

We are sorry to hear about your situation. If things are that dire then I don't think we can get any units to you in time, and we are not sure that camels would be much use against gunpowder units. But we are still trying to think of ways that we can help. For now we have sent 24 gold and will send 76 next turn in hopes that it will help you finish Engineering.

Best of luck,
Team Innovia

EDIT: sent

 

[1889]

Their reply:

Thank you. With that boost we should manage it in about 8-10 turns
Hopefully with a bit of luck we can pin them down when they go inland

 

[1889]

Sent this to Aloha:

We had a galley scouting the northern coast to make sure our trade routes stay open, but he has come to a dead end. It can't do us any more good so we pass it along to you in hopes that you can get some use out of it.

Team Innovia

 

[dutchfire]

Formule 1 gezien in Spa Francorchamps zegt:
hi
Simon zegt:
hey
Formule 1 gezien in Spa Francorchamps zegt:
how are you doing?
Simon zegt:
good, hows about you?
Formule 1 gezien in Spa Francorchamps zegt:
pretty good too (holiday )
Formule 1 gezien in Spa Francorchamps zegt:
how are things going in aloha land?
Simon zegt:
We get engineering next turn, we also have a GS, so we can start on sci meth afterwards. All of piffles forces have vanished, we haven't managed to find them]
Formule 1 gezien in Spa Francorchamps zegt:
vanished? strange
Formule 1 gezien in Spa Francorchamps zegt:
could they have gifted them to Epsilon? we have seen quite some Epsilonian units on their coast, and recently, they sailed out
Simon zegt:
I dont think so, you'd notice them on the power graphs
Simon zegt:
on the epsilon coast facing you or us?
Formule 1 gezien in Spa Francorchamps zegt:
coast facing us, but AFAIK only one galleon sailed out, so we're guessing (hoping) they aren't invading anyone yet
Formule 1 gezien in Spa Francorchamps zegt:
by the way, 1889 wanted to trade maps, would you be interested in doing that?
Simon zegt:
well they've already won the game they have no need too
Simon zegt:
sure may as well

Map trade is okay

 

[1889]

Simon zegt:
well they've already won the game they have no need too

I hate hearing that kind of stuff, especially from a team's president. Loco/Aloha/Innovia still have a lot of untapped potential but it will require good communication to bring it together.

 

[1889]

Sent to Aloha

Aloha Aloha,

I appologise for any confusiion over last turns tech trade, but I thought it best to just reject it and start fresh.

Although we did give you gold to help with the reaserch we never did make any arrangments for a trade. Anyway I hope you will accept Education for Engineering and Divine Right.

For future coordination we will be finishing replacable parts in 3 turns (thank you golden age).

Thanks,
1889 of Innovia

 

[dutchfire]

three way tech alliance chat:

- zegt:
hi
Joe zegt:
hi
- zegt:
how are things in Loco land?
Joe zegt:
alright, just about to play the save
- zegt:
okay
- zegt:
are you going to send Constitution now? (or has it already been sent?)
Joe zegt:
been sent i think
- zegt:

- zegt:
what are you researching now by the way?
Joe zegt:
just checking now...
- zegt:
because Aloha is going to do Scientific Method, we'll probably be able to get it from them
Joe zegt:
We are researching part of SM with a great scientist
- zegt:
they are doing that too
- zegt:
it would be great if you could go for Chemistry first
Joe zegt:
ah. ok we will do chemistry.
- zegt:
could we draw up a three-way-tech-alliance?
Joe zegt:
thats a good idea, there is a slight problem on how to organise it
- zegt:
yeah, we'd need to have an alohan too
Joe zegt:
You have got constitution from us
- zegt:

Joe zegt:
engineering we hope to get it from aloha as part of a previous deal, and then we will start chemistry.
- zegt:
okay
- zegt:
I believe we'll get replaceable parts in about 3 turns
Joe zegt:
yes i saw it in our inbox,
- zegt:
okay
- zegt:
I think we're starting Rifling next
Joe zegt:
Ok i can't remeber what we have to do after chemistry, but we work that out when we get to it.
- zegt:
perhaps physics?

joe32320@hotmail.com heeft je een buzzer gestuurd!

Joe zegt:
Hope your TC goes better than mine, it seems like it's haunting me at the moment!
- zegt:
lol, you didn't do too bad
Joe zegt:
Physics will be fine
Joe zegt:
oh well, i just have to take what comes and hope for the best!
- zegt:
I see that donsig is still rambling about the TC though
Joe zegt:
Yes thats whats worries me, plus, this latest one has come 9 days after the TC so it looks like to me he went out of his way to find something wrong, of course i could be wrong!
- zegt:
well, donsig has been moaning for ages, about everything basically
Joe zegt:
He would make a good opposition party leader though!
- zegt:
it looks like Vassalage is winning
Joe zegt:
I know, would have prefered Bureacy to it, the warlord better make use of it!
- zegt:
which lacross matches today?
Joe zegt:
Both!
- zegt:
is my team playing?
Joe zegt:
Yes, against my team, i will do it first
Joe zegt:
1st playoff: UTD get possession but miss
Joe zegt:
2nd playoff: UTD get possession and score
Joe zegt:
3rd playoff: DABEST get possession and score! 1-1
Joe zegt:
4th playoff: DABEST get possession but miss!
Joe zegt:
5th playoff: UTD get possession and score! 2-1
Joe zegt:
6th Playoff: DABEST get possession but miss
Joe zegt:
7th playoff: UTD get possession but miss
Joe zegt:
8th playoff: DABEST get possession and score! 2-2
- zegt:
woot!
Joe zegt:
9th playoff: DABEST get possession but miss!
- zegt:
drumroll.............
Joe zegt:
10th playoff: UTD get possession but miss!
Joe zegt:
2-2 final score, now what
Joe zegt:
have a replay at a later date?
- zegt:
I dunno
- zegt:
these are the playoffs, aren't they?
Joe zegt:
yes
Joe zegt:
shall we consult the managers?
- zegt:
yeah, I suppose that's best
Joe zegt:
ok i put a message in with the scores
- zegt:
you could also pm Ice2k4 and George as they don't seem to visit the forums frequently
Joe zegt:
Yeah will do.
Joe zegt:
I will do the second matches now,
Joe zegt:
Do you want to listen in?
- zegt:
sure
Joe zegt:
1st playoff: FBHS get possession and score 1-0
Joe zegt:
2nd playoff: GD get possession but miss
Joe zegt:
3rd playoff: FHBS get possession and score! 2-0
Joe zegt:
4th playoff: FHBS get possession but miss
Joe zegt:
5th playoff: FHBS get possession but miss
Joe zegt:
6th playoff: GD get possession and score! 2-1
Joe zegt:
7th playoff: GD get possession and score! 2-2
Joe zegt:
8th playoff: FHBS get possession and score! 3-2
Joe zegt:
9th playoff: GD get possession but miss!
Joe zegt:
10th playoff GD get possession but miss
Joe zegt:
Final score FHBS 3-2 GD
- zegt:
not another tie
Joe zegt:
that would have been interesting!.....
Joe zegt:
sent messages to George and ice
Joe zegt:
Is BTS out in the Netherlands yet?
- zegt:
not as far as I know
Joe zegt:
Just asking, seems weird that australia should get it first!
- zegt:
it is weir
- zegt:
d
- zegt:
doesn't matter to me that much anyway though, I'll have the TC tomorrow, the new Harry Potter saturday and I'll be starting work on monday, so I've got enough on my hands
Joe zegt:
Well it comes out tormorrow and it's my last day of college, so perfect timing for me,
- zegt:
bclg100 should be online now, (he's on CFC)
Joe zegt:
ok, should one of us send him a pm?
- zegt:
already done
Joe zegt:
right i will just get civ 4 up and take a look
Joe zegt:
any luck?

Simon is aan het gesprek toegevoegd.

- zegt:
he'll be here to chat in about 5 minutes
- zegt:
joe, do you have a proposal for techs?
Joe zegt:
not quite yet, i am resending the save to piffle, hasn't worked agained
- zegt:
current deal is: Loco: Scientific Method, Physics, Electricity, and Railroad, Engineering, Chemistry, Rocketry, Economics
Innovia: Steam power, Steel, Arty, Replaceable Parts and Assmebly line, Rifling, Corporation and Combustion
Joe zegt:
Right i am back
- zegt:
if Aloha does Scientific Method, Engineering, Assembly Line, Steel, Economics, how would the beakers be divided then?
Joe zegt:
hang on, each team would have to research 26312 beakers to reach the modern age (excluding techs should as medicine and so forth)
- zegt:
any luck dividing these techs between the teams?
Joe zegt:
hang on
Simon zegt:
hey
- zegt:
hey
Simon zegt:
sorry was seeing if there was anything for food
Simon zegt:
there wasnt
- zegt:
lol
Joe zegt:
hi
Simon zegt:
so whats up guys? joe= joe harker?
- zegt:
yep
- zegt:
he's trying to think up a tech plan
Simon zegt:
well first things that spring to mind is that teams should research what piffle/epsilon have done first
Simon zegt:
replaceable parts etc
- zegt:
we're doing replaceable parts atm
- zegt:
other important techs are chemistry, rifling, scientific method...
Joe zegt:
got it!!!!
- zegt:
great, show us
Simon zegt:
i doubt epsilon will be in too much of a hurry for sci meth
Joe zegt:
just a minute let me write it out neatly!
Joe zegt:
If aloha take Ecomonics, Corpoartion Assmebly line, Rockerty Scienfic M and Rifling, then i think that works out roughly the same
Joe zegt:
Can you check you get around 23000 beakers each for your teams?
Joe zegt:
Loco has 22594
- zegt:
Loco: Physics, Electricity, Railroad, Chemistry, Economics
Innovia: Steam power, Steel, Artillery, Replaceable Parts Combustion
Aloha: Economics, Corporation, Assembly Line, Rocketry, Scientific Method, Rifling
Joe zegt:
Hang on we will research rifling instead of aloha
Simon zegt:
is anyone researching democracy?
- zegt:
Loco: Physics, Electricity, Railroad, Chemistry, Economics, Rifling
Innovia: Steam power, Steel, Artillery, Replaceable Parts Combustion
Aloha: Economics, Corporation, Assembly Line, Rocketry, Scientific Method
- zegt:
not at the moment
Simon zegt:
that should be an essential tech
Joe zegt:
aloha has 22022, loco has 24590
Simon zegt:
i appreciate it isnt needed as such but cottage growth plus negatives of emancipation
- zegt:
sure
- zegt:
and biology? that's definetly a nice tech to have too
Simon zegt:
biology is required for space so should definatly throw that in
- zegt:
if we throw in Biology, Democracy and Industrialism, one tech/team, would the beakers still roughly match?
Joe zegt:
inoovia has 19448, ok innovia gets rifling and researches 22880 beakers, loco 21158 and aloha gets 22022 beakers
- zegt:
@bclg, this is just the techs until the modern age, not until the end
- zegt:
Loco: Physics, Electricity, Railroad, Chemistry, Economics
Innovia: Steam power, Steel, Artillery, Replaceable Parts Combustion, Rifling
Aloha: Economics, Corporation, Assembly Line, Rocketry, Scientific Method
Simon zegt:
yeah i assumed as much
Joe zegt:
that sounds about right
Simon zegt:
but i would like to point out that we're not going to be researching anything else again anytime soon
Simon zegt:
not by choice of course
Joe zegt:
have you got engineering?
- zegt:
you'll be doing Scientific method first, aren't you?
Simon zegt:
yeah we got engineering the turn before
Simon zegt:
and we can get halfway to sci meth with our GS
Joe zegt:
We also used a GS on SM!
Simon zegt:
we havent actually used it yet
Simon zegt:
so if you want to continue on it by all means go for it
Simon zegt:
and we'll save it for the next tec
- zegt:
that's physics
Joe zegt:
don't worry you go for it, we need to research chemistry, which is why i asked you about engineering, if you catch my drift
Simon zegt:
yeah but we can always research chem- you've wasted a lot of beakers otherwise
Simon zegt:
or innovia could research chem or something it seems stupid to waste so many beakers like this
Joe zegt:
actually hang on, we haven't used it, jeejeep just moved it when he last played
- zegt:
okay, great
Joe zegt:
So you go for SM
Simon zegt:
oh ok we'll go for it then
- zegt:
okay
- zegt:
and we should probably all gift each other all techs as soon as possible
Joe zegt:
yes of course!
Joe zegt:
are we all happy?
- zegt:
I am
- zegt:
by the way, what are we going to do with divine right?
Joe zegt:
do we need to research it?
- zegt:
Aloha already has it AFAIK
Joe zegt:
Ok
- zegt:
but it's not really that usefull
Simon zegt:
about the tech gifting thing
Simon zegt:
i think we should only gift each other tech that epsilon/piffle have already unless we actually need it urgently
Simon zegt:
no point in making it cheaper for them
Simon zegt:
other than that im happy
- zegt:
that's true, but most techs will give us immediate benefits
Joe zegt:
Exactly
Simon zegt:
not really
Simon zegt:
for instance how many of you will be switching to representation straight away? (loco have rep)
- zegt:
I think it's generally best to send a message to eachother with the estimated time of completion for the current tech a few turns before completing it, to discuss the moment of gifting
- zegt:
I think we will actually, though I'm not sure
Joe zegt:
Ok i agree
Simon zegt:
sci meth- sure it shows oil but that's not going to help you so we could just tell you two where it is
Simon zegt:
not that we're trying to keep the tech but giving it to each of us straight away only makes it cheaper for the other two
Joe zegt:
Also it means that we have to stay neck and neck with epsilon/piffle
Simon zegt:
well it means that they wont be able to see how far ahead we are
Simon zegt:
economics etc we can trade instantly for the gnp bonus and things but should try and keep the trading to a minimum to lessen the tech costs
Simon zegt:
but if both teams think that we should trade instantly aloha will do so
- zegt:
no, I agree that we should keep it down as much as possible
Joe zegt:
I would prefer to gift straight away, although maybe with some techs that don't give an immediate bonus we could wait
Joe zegt:
actually yeah, wait until one of the other teams gets it
Joe zegt:
Ok then, is that it?
Simon zegt:
so these are the techs?
Simon zegt:
Loco: Physics, Electricity, Railroad, Chemistry, Economics
Innovia: Steam power, Steel, Artillery, Replaceable Parts Combustion, Rifling
Aloha: Economics, Corporation, Assembly Line, Rocketry, Scientific Method
Joe zegt:
yes
Simon zegt:
to point out the obvious then, if we're not trading immediatly that should be altered slightly
Simon zegt:
f'rinstance, maybe aloha should grab physics seeing as sci meth is a pre req
Joe zegt:
that might be a problem...
Simon zegt:
also two people are researching economics
Joe zegt:
oh that was a typo
- zegt:
lol, back to the drawing board

Joe zegt:
noooooooooooooo
Simon zegt:
further, loco will probably finish chem before innovia finish replaceable parts and combustion and before we finish sci meth
Simon zegt:
what will they research in that time?
Simon zegt:
demo?
Joe zegt:
how about we stick with the current, especially since esplion is quite far ahead and won't know now far behind we are
Simon zegt:
im quite happy too but the second point really needs to be sorted out
Joe zegt:
whats the second point again, just so i don't answer the wrong question!
- zegt:
well, we could run 0% for some time to stack up gold, if it's really a problem, and then go 100% later
Joe zegt:
Or we could srcap the idea of doing the same amount of beakers and just decide what tech to do next when it comes to it
Simon zegt:
no the tech plan thing works well
Simon zegt:
i think we should stick with it
- zegt:
me too
Simon zegt:
just alterations as we go will probably needed
Simon zegt:
this works for time being im just thinking 20 turns ahead etc
- zegt:
as allways
Joe zegt:
ok thats fine, just putting an alternative in
Joe zegt:
I will need to go shortly
Simon zegt:
well aloha would be more happier just searching everything when we get it, our tech pace wont be setting the world alight
Joe zegt:
well if there are any problems let us know about it and we will work to get around the problem!
Joe zegt:
Right are we ok?
- zegt:
yeah, I am
Simon zegt:
yep think we are
Joe zegt:
Ok then, nice meeting you both today, i have now got to go and take the cat to the vets! bye!
Simon zegt:
cyas later joe
- zegt:
bye

 

[1889]

Ok so is this the final deal?

Loco: Physics, Electricity, Railroad, Chemistry, Economics
Innovia: Steam power, Steel, Artillery, Replaceable Parts Combustion, Rifling
Aloha: Economics, Corporation, Assembly Line, Rocketry, Scientific Method

I do think we should just trade everything right away. Doing it the other way, trading only when needed, is slightly better but equires lots more coordination. Also as for Divine Right, Spiral Minaret is pretty cool, anybody interested in building it?

Does anyone know if it would be more efficient for Aloha to just give us all their research money because we have more Libraries/Uni/etc. More multipliers means we can make better use of the gold right?

 

[1889]

Any comments on this proposed message:

Dear Aloha,

We noticed that you have an extra fur, if you don’t have other plans we’d appreciate it.

I hope you are finding the new map information interesting. It’s a shame we couldn’t get into their territory but we are still managing to uncover many new tiles.

Speaking of Piffle we were wondering if they ever reappeared. We are nearly done with Riffling, 3 turns. How is Scientific method coming?

Take care,
Team Innovia

 

[Theoden]

I would mention that we want the fur as a substitute for the happiness we lose by cancelling the deal with Epsilon, otherwise it looks fine.

 

[1889]

Fixed and sent.

 

[1889]

Aloha agrees.

Hi Innovia

I think i gifted you fur last turn but i may not of so i'll attempt to do so again this turn.

After hitting enter there are 8 more turns left on our research for scientific method but this is heavily dependant on whether or not we get attacked by piffle again before that because the majority of research is being funded by scientists. We recently got another GS so if need be we could bulb it but we'd prefer to save it for the next tech to get us half way there!

Our apologies for the delay but obviously it's tricky building a civ back up whilst still at war and losing so many cities, chemistry (frigates) would be the best tech for us and we havent heard an exact time frame for getting it from loco, have they said anything more to you about it?

Kind regards
BCLG&Aloha

 

[Provolution]

Have Aloha lost many cities?

 

[1889]

I think 4.

Sent to Aloha:

Thanks we got the furs. I'm sending a note to Loco about chem, we're looking forward to it also.

1889 and Team Innovia.

 

[1889]

Proposed letter to Aloha:

Greeting Aloha,

We just had a chat with the Pifflonians. They evidently plan to suckle at the Epsilonian teat until the very end. The only potential plan in the works is that we may get open borders. It would good to have a look around but we’d have to stop trading map info to you.

We are also supposed to try and work out peace between you two. I assume this topic has already been broached between your teams, any history you care to share there?

Lastly I was wondering if you would clear up one thing. Has Piffle kept any of the conquered cities?

We’ll be sending our latest map next turn along with Rifling, Steel in about 8 turns.

So long,
1889 and Team Innovia.

EDIT: Sent, also suggested a chat.

 

[1889]

From Aloha:

Hello 1889,

That good news on Rifling. We should have Scientific Method in about 6 to send along.

I must say i along with the rest of my team are quite bemused by piffles request for you guys to help reach a peace agreement. They have not sent a single message to us since the attack. I sent a number of messages in the begining but none of them was answered. In the end i stopped bothering. I don't really know why they are dragging you into this, if they have anything to say they know how to contact us.

As for your question, piffle razed all the cities they took. Basically they attacked from their boats, razed and jumped back on the boats. The one landing they did try when they went after Hello we took out most of their stack without loss and they haven't tried since.

As for the chat, i will check with the team who is available, for me personally it would have to be on a weekend.

All the best
Robi D, Aloha

 

[1889]

Sent to Aloha.

Aloha,

Long weekend over here, so I decided to work on ending your war. Probably wont work but it may keep Piffle from making more definite plans at least. To get negotiations going have you thought about what you would be able to afford in way of concessions?

Board,
1889 of Innovia

 

[1889]

here is the reply

Hi,

Just a quick note back, if we forget to send one with all the pomp etc. I think the general consensus is that we'd give nothing toward them but instead demand they give stuff, we've already lost so why should we make it easier on the team that did that for us?

Regards
BCLG&cfc