I've got more then a fair share of mos tof the med seas peoples in it; a little spanish, a little greek, but mostlly Romano-Tuscan(as etruscan) Itallian; the Spanish, and assorted italliot back groud in easy to prove the greek not so much, other then it appears that soem ancestors of mine spent a few centuries haitus in Greece.
In any event,the cultures interest me a great deal besides; I sincerelly think of them as the top bench ,arcks of world culture, somthign that all natiosn shoudl aspire to be like in what those cultures did right, and learn from the lessosn fo what those cultures did wrong; eg, in romes case, take the ideal of individual freedoms, and of a a skilled government, but beware of corruption within the government, and of over ambitious politicians (and slavery one of the greatest evils man has known, and a huge barrier for progress besides)
Anyway, as for Minoan subjegation fo the mycenaeans; it seems that it wa shappenign in rela life; Minoan culture impacted Myceanena and classical greek culture in profound was, a lot of it in art and architiecture, as well as the standards of living; but more improtantlly, those acient ledgends of Thesues and the minotaur give fair evidence for Athens at one time being under Minoan rule...
Okay, basically, this is what happend;
1)at some point, Athens becomes a vassal, tributary state, or is just outright conqoured of the highlly unfied Minoan nation
2)the Minaons seem to make a good deal of floor frescos 9or so I've heard) of some sort of event in which they are amrching agiasnt a city, in which ships play a promient feature; because these date from a good while before the established dat eof the trojan war, it points to the minoans not being quite the peace lovers they are always made out to be; but a people who enjoyed the luxuries brought by having a skilled military and navy to the poitn where they control trade in the med sea, at least in the eastern portion; and hwile they are not war like, it still goes to show that they were proud of skilled military exercise agiasnt the vwery war liek Mycenaeans
3)The volcano at akrotiri blows up, this leads to tidal waves int he aegean sea, virtually breaking the Minoan base of power by wiping out many of its greater cities
4)evidence shows that at this time, the Minoans have a huge fasination tot he sea; evidence also indicates that the minoans were sacrificing children, erhaps in drastic effort to appease the sea- one shoudl not that the sacrificng od children was common place in the middle east at this time, and they were of course a major trading partner with the Minoans (the carthiginas continued the practice of shild sacxrifice until Rome conqured them, and it is even recorded int he bible that at one time the israleites practiced such a tradition, but it is also showed by way of narrative, that in thier tradition, thier god had them stop)
5)now this is where we can start appylign the myths;
a)we know that th ebull was a very sacred animal to the minoans;a symbol fo stregth and virility, it had much the same meaning in all cultures that had bulls.
b)we know that the minaos were quite proud oif soem sort of militarty expidition of thiers agiasnt the mainland Mycenaeans; Mino also had trade hegemongeny on the mainland
c)from Myth, we know that Athens, until the reign of thesus, had to pay King minos 14 youths to feed ot the Minotaur, a bull headed man
d)considering that masks to for preites to help represent that they were men devoted to thier god was ocmmon plac ein egypt and th emiddle east, it is not unthinkabel to assume that the Minoans may have done the same; it is possible that to represent the cult of the bull, a preist wore a bull mask/ helmet of sort
e)consider; we know the minaons sacrifced children, we are more then sure that Athens was under minoan domiantion, and if not athens, then a site close by, as few lands are as accessible in greece as athens is to a naval based attack; what if the Minoans had demended children from Athens, instrea dof form the native Minaon poipualce to please thier wants to appease the sea, to ensure another akrotiri didnt happen?
f)this, combined with general Mycenaean jealousy of the minaons positions int he world woudl have lead the mycenaenas to eventually declare war, and conqoure the Minoans, as happend in real life
conclusion
if the volcanic eruption at akrotiri ha dnot occured, the minaon civlization could wel have goen to dominate mainladn greece, and beyond, perhaps in a similer manner as i lead it to do in aaminions NES; the many Minoan colones and appernt trade alies, and vassal all over th emed sea leand themselvs well to inward pushes of cultural influence, colonization, and all out conqouest.
In any event,the cultures interest me a great deal besides; I sincerelly think of them as the top bench ,arcks of world culture, somthign that all natiosn shoudl aspire to be like in what those cultures did right, and learn from the lessosn fo what those cultures did wrong; eg, in romes case, take the ideal of individual freedoms, and of a a skilled government, but beware of corruption within the government, and of over ambitious politicians (and slavery one of the greatest evils man has known, and a huge barrier for progress besides)
Anyway, as for Minoan subjegation fo the mycenaeans; it seems that it wa shappenign in rela life; Minoan culture impacted Myceanena and classical greek culture in profound was, a lot of it in art and architiecture, as well as the standards of living; but more improtantlly, those acient ledgends of Thesues and the minotaur give fair evidence for Athens at one time being under Minoan rule...
Okay, basically, this is what happend;
1)at some point, Athens becomes a vassal, tributary state, or is just outright conqoured of the highlly unfied Minoan nation
2)the Minaons seem to make a good deal of floor frescos 9or so I've heard) of some sort of event in which they are amrching agiasnt a city, in which ships play a promient feature; because these date from a good while before the established dat eof the trojan war, it points to the minoans not being quite the peace lovers they are always made out to be; but a people who enjoyed the luxuries brought by having a skilled military and navy to the poitn where they control trade in the med sea, at least in the eastern portion; and hwile they are not war like, it still goes to show that they were proud of skilled military exercise agiasnt the vwery war liek Mycenaeans
3)The volcano at akrotiri blows up, this leads to tidal waves int he aegean sea, virtually breaking the Minoan base of power by wiping out many of its greater cities
4)evidence shows that at this time, the Minoans have a huge fasination tot he sea; evidence also indicates that the minoans were sacrificing children, erhaps in drastic effort to appease the sea- one shoudl not that the sacrificng od children was common place in the middle east at this time, and they were of course a major trading partner with the Minoans (the carthiginas continued the practice of shild sacxrifice until Rome conqured them, and it is even recorded int he bible that at one time the israleites practiced such a tradition, but it is also showed by way of narrative, that in thier tradition, thier god had them stop)
5)now this is where we can start appylign the myths;
a)we know that th ebull was a very sacred animal to the minoans;a symbol fo stregth and virility, it had much the same meaning in all cultures that had bulls.
b)we know that the minaos were quite proud oif soem sort of militarty expidition of thiers agiasnt the mainland Mycenaeans; Mino also had trade hegemongeny on the mainland
c)from Myth, we know that Athens, until the reign of thesus, had to pay King minos 14 youths to feed ot the Minotaur, a bull headed man
d)considering that masks to for preites to help represent that they were men devoted to thier god was ocmmon plac ein egypt and th emiddle east, it is not unthinkabel to assume that the Minoans may have done the same; it is possible that to represent the cult of the bull, a preist wore a bull mask/ helmet of sort
e)consider; we know the minaons sacrifced children, we are more then sure that Athens was under minoan domiantion, and if not athens, then a site close by, as few lands are as accessible in greece as athens is to a naval based attack; what if the Minoans had demended children from Athens, instrea dof form the native Minaon poipualce to please thier wants to appease the sea, to ensure another akrotiri didnt happen?
f)this, combined with general Mycenaean jealousy of the minaons positions int he world woudl have lead the mycenaenas to eventually declare war, and conqoure the Minoans, as happend in real life
conclusion
if the volcanic eruption at akrotiri ha dnot occured, the minaon civlization could wel have goen to dominate mainladn greece, and beyond, perhaps in a similer manner as i lead it to do in aaminions NES; the many Minoan colones and appernt trade alies, and vassal all over th emed sea leand themselvs well to inward pushes of cultural influence, colonization, and all out conqouest.
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