Alternate History NESes; Spout some ideas!

[Amenhotep7]

What? Your wording's confusing, sorry. You're in favor of a 'Minoan Empire' NES over anything else?

 

[Xen]

well I woudl eithe rplay as the Minoans, or Tartessians, but for me a bronze age one, or a renassians "swords and guns: type thign woudl work cool as well for my mental imgagry to play with

 

[Amenhotep7]

Renaissance: "Swords and Guns"? What choice are you reffering to?

Well, if you're into Medieval warfare, there is that "Islamic Europe" thing, that I think shall start roughly around the 1500s/1600s. Basically, Eastern Europe has long since been conquered by the powers of Islam. Germany and the various "in-between" states are in constant struggle, and the lands of Catholicism have united to organize a "Last Crusade" to 'liberate the oppressed peoples of Europe, and bring back the one true religion within their borders'. I think you'd have a grand time playin' the pope (papal states).

Question: If you don't like Christianity so much, why do I see you constantly play as the pope? It's no problem, but I'm just curious, once again...

 

[Amenhotep7]

And another thing (I won't let this one die.)

What if there was no WWI? What if Germany thought it to not be worth it enough to war with England? What if it was just another Euro-Skirmish?...

For those too lazy to look on the previous page.

 

[Xen]

I never said I dont like chrsitianty; its just not the religion for me, and while ther eis abit of resentment on that whole forced conversion of miilions over the years, its not likeI blame any one who lives now; the current pope is a pretty cool guy, and over all I have the most repsect for the older verities of chrsitianity (eg, Orthidox, Coptic, which is also the closest thign to how christianity shoudl be practiced, and catholiscism)

 

[Amenhotep7]

Yeah, perhaps that was the incorrect wording. Sorry bout that if I'm puttin words in your mouth. I just kinda got that impression since your whole debate with Sword_of_Geddon in Kal-El's Unit Concept Sketches thread...

Anyhoo, back to the topic at hand... What if there was no WWI? WWI was credited for creating WWII, which inevitably started a race for the A-Bomb. No WWII, No A-Bomb, no Cold War?

 

[Xen]

sword of geddon puts a ba dmark on all christians, by attmepting to ram his word down the mouths of thos eo fus who have coem to the honest conclusion through thought and logic that chrsitnaity is not the way; people like him definatelly do nto help chrsitianities world image.

 

[Xen]

well WWI was destined to happen in some form, and unless communsim was halted in Russia, then so was some form of world war II (or, if somehow, no WWI happend, it woul dbe the first world war)

 

[Sgt.Hellfish]

well i suppose it could end up being a franco-prussian war again if the germans hadnt one throught belgium, however britain would have been looking for an excuse to attack.

 

[Amenhotep7]

Britain would be looking for an excuse to attack? I'm no expert on Britain's diplomatic behavior, but I read recently that Germany's relations w/ Britain were greatly improving when Kaizer Wilhelm attended and took part in the ceremony of crowning Britain's new king. Things were kinda looking up.

 

[Amenhotep7]

Remember the whole "advanced Native Americans" thing? Well, here's a map I've been toying with:

The nations are:

-Haida Nation
-Kingdom of Lakota
-Sioux Nation
-Iroquois
-Domain of Seminole
-Aztec Empire
-Mayan Empire
-Incan Empire
-Tupi

Whaddya think? I was thinkin of dividing them up a bit more, to coincide with various cultural identities...

 

[das]

Amen, what about the Mound-Builders?

What if the Samnites defeated the Romans (from what I hear, it was far from impossible)?

What if Alexander Nevskiy was expelled from Novgorod (Novgorodians resemble Athinians in that)?

What if Attila the Hun crowned himself Northern Roman Emperor (don't touch that! If NES2 I dies, the next one will start in 1245 AD of that world. I will post more details on this later.)?

What if Amenhotep7 has a sudden heart attack, and thus does not accidentaly destroy the universe a hundred years from now (what are the chances of that?)?

What if Russia won in the Livonian War, having allied with England and Denmark-Norway as planned?

What if Jagiellonian dynastic union became a national one (i.e. Poland-Lithuania-Bohemia-Hungary)?

 

[tossi]

What if the Vikings managed to etablish several working colonies in Vinland?

What if the Neanderthaler would have envolved and two human species would rule over the earth?

What if יהוה had sent the ancient jews a messiahs who lead them into a holy war, resulting in a jewish empire?

What if the gates of hell opened in 2000 AD and horders of evil bloodthirsty demons invaded the world?

What if one day during the 19th century in transilvania an evil scientist created a virus, which transformed men into zombies?

What if the Nazis devolped super-special-uber-natural-supersoldiers like in Return to Castle Wolfenstein?

 

[Amenhotep7]

Okay, some stuff is getting .

Alotta these are real good. I'll look into them.

 

[North King]

What if the Samnites defeated the Romans (from what I hear, it was far from impossible)?

I've been toying with that idea myself, though not posted it, since Xen would start attacking me with his knowledge of Rome. The map I came up with will be posted at the bottom.

Basically, the Samnites defeated the Romans, and no Italian Empire rose to prominence. Instead, Italy and the world was divided. In Northern Spain, Germany, england, and France, the former barbarians rose to prominence, and created several large kingdoms. Phyrrus of Eiprus rose to power near the Adriatic and the phrase "Pyrric Victory" came to denote a massive, decisive win that all strategists dreamt of (I actually created the scenario on the basis that Phyrric Victory came to mean a great victory. ), Carthage and the Greeks of Saracusyae fought for years for dominance of the Western Med, and neither gained the upper hand. The three main Greek Kingdoms, the Antigonids, Selucids, and Ptolemys, fought long and hard over regional dominance with no real end to it all, while the hellistenic Bactrian Kingdom ruled far to the East. Even Further East, the Mauryan Empire retained unity due to the constant Greek threat, and China was massive and well organized under the Han.

I'm going to expand this timeline further, but I think that's a good distance so far, eh?

Map (Eastern Cities are Missing):

 

[Xen]

Carthage would NEVER have expanded into SPain if there wa sno ROme

I'm tired of people constantlly puttign Spain under carthaginian domination if it won the punic war or what not. i towuldnt have; Carthgae, despite what people liek to turn int into, was never a real empire builder, note the child sacrifcer sof Carthage wer ein for the monaey, not for the conquest, and ONLY expanded into SPain to start takign advatage of the resources there, since thie rother possesiaons int he Med sea had been stripped of them.

That said, its not at all unthinkable that Rome might have never risen to prominece; it is unthinkable that one fo the other itallian powers, mianlyl either the EWtruscans or Samnites, or soem sor tof Osican/Umbrian union would not have taken its place. Italy had been on the fast track for centrlization unde rone nation since the Etruscan league was formed.

 

[Jason The King]

hmmm, i like the idea, north king. seems real fun. perhaps, though, you could work on the map? it's too straight IMO.

 

[Jason The King]

Rome was not that powerful anyways, it barely even had an empire.

 

[North King]

I've been toying with that idea myself, though not posted it, since Xen would start attacking me with his knowledge of Rome [note: and or Classical world in general].

Carthage would NEVER have expanded into SPain if there wa sno ROme

I'm tired of people constantlly puttign Spain under carthaginian domination if it won the punic war or what not. i towuldnt have; Carthgae, despite what people liek to turn int into, was never a real empire builder, note the child sacrifcer sof Carthage wer ein for the monaey, not for the conquest, and ONLY expanded into SPain to start takign advatage of the resources there, since thie rother possesiaons int he Med sea had been stripped of them.

That said, its not at all unthinkable that Rome might have never risen to prominece; it is unthinkable that one fo the other itallian powers, mianlyl either the EWtruscans or Samnites, or soem sor tof Osican/Umbrian union would not have taken its place. Italy had been on the fast track for centrlization unde rone nation since the Etruscan league was formed.

My point exactly.

 

[North King]

Oh, BTW, Xen, there was no predetermined historical destiny for Italy to rise up to dominate the Med, as you seem to think. It was a combination of luck and skill that brought the Romans to power, luck especially. There is not reason to think that it might have gone on with no Rome at all.