Alternate History NESes; Spout some ideas!

[das]

A) Why can't they be?
B) They can be re-captured, and Byzantine interest is likely to be distracted to other regions ITTL due to lack of Arabic expansion.
C) Meh, IMHO they could do that if they really try. All they need is a fleet. Getting a fleet is harder... so maybe what they need is a local rebellion that is threatened by the Byzantines and thus appeals for German help in exchange for a degree of autonomy.

 

[das]

The Turks? Or the Palestine-which-no-longer-exists?

Not sure what are you talking about Palestine-wise, but yes for the Turks if they conquered Persia.

I thought up both of them independently, thank you.

No! You envoked the powers of telepathy, damn you and all of your sea-otters!

And I'm quite sure you did not have a Buddhist Empire based in Balkh in yours.

*gasp!*

Albeit I do have some... interesting ideas religion-wise...

 

[Xen]

@Das and Northking; either Venice is part of Ravenna, or indipendent; perhaps you forgot, but generally speaking, no one outseide germany likes the germans (or for that matter, outside france, the French, as a poll conducted early this year still showed was true in europe ) and history bears it out; the Itallian areas strove to becoem indipendent of Byzantines, because they wanted to be catholics; they strove to be indipendent of the Hermans, because they didnt like them either, and woudl in due time shove a spear up even the great Barbarosas' arse to prove it.

 

[Capulet]

My point about Islam was that it is a different faith than Christianity and Judaism, obviously. Remember when the Qur'an was destroyed in Guantanamo Bay, and how many Muslims in Asia and the Middle East rioted?

I just think religious Muslims take their religion much more seriously than other hardcore believers of faith.

 

[Xen]

they will for th enext century or two, then they will have a falling out; thier evangelical sect has already fromed even.

 

[Capulet]

By evangelical sect, I guess you're talking about the Wahabbi sect... right?

 

[Xen]

triple post!

 

[Xen]

Segundo Posti!

 

[Xen]

fundamentalism is teh ghey

 

[Cuivienen]

My point about Islam was that it is a different faith than Christianity and Judaism, obviously. Remember when the Qur'an was destroyed in Guantanamo Bay, and how many Muslims in Asia and the Middle East rioted?

I just think religious Muslims take their religion much more seriously than other hardcore believers of faith.

I think you would offend A LOT of Evangelical Christians and Orthodox Jews by saying that. Can you even IMAGINE the outrage that you would see in the United States if we heard about Bible desecration by Iranians? Members of any desert monotheism (Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Zoroastrianism, etc.) would go completely nuts over something like that. Islam isn't anything special in that regard.

Just as a note, I'm atheist, so I'll consider myself equally critical of all religions.

Aside edit: You could also put it to age of the religion - when Christianity was 1,400 years old people took it a lot more seriously than today.

 

[das]

Xen, stop the OT double-posting spam with pretentions of flame. This is NOT what this is thread is meant for, unless you didn't notice that yet.

 

[das]

Well, personally I think that Capulet does have a point, though Buddhism seems to be the more rapidly-spreading religion Islam IS, as of now, taken more seriously then other religions. It has something to do with the fact that it, like the other ones, IS unique.

 

[Xen]

Xen, stop the OT double-posting spam with pretentions of flame. This is NOT what this is thread is meant for, unless you didn't notice that yet.

A)Fundamentalist religion is absurd; I'm a man duelly devoted to what i belive in, but shoving it down the throats of others even at the coast of war IS absurd, illogical, cotnradictory to most faiths anyway, and lets not forget, immoral and savage; thier is no argument agianst this; I dont have a problem with a hard core beliver in thier faith, or lack of one for that matter; I simpley dont care; my own path is my own path, and other have thier own; but when people try to shove thier faith down anothers throat is when I have a problem with it.

B)the barbarossa, German, and French comments are, aside from beign accurate for the times (and agian, in Frances case, true; I have nothign agianst France; its actually a great place, assuming you discount the Parisian attitudes towards just about everyone; the people are generally nice, and I have gotten along with the french citizens I have met, except for this one dude, but I wont get into that) its also to try to provide a more realtic alternate history; if you dont liek it thats too bad; if you strove for more realism, and less Dues ex machina, or arbitary choices made just because you want power A to be this strong, without thinkign of the logical consqunces of it, then perhaps such a problem wouldnt exist; but as such situation continue to arise, you can be sure that i will pu tmy opinion on them; if you dont liek them, no one is forceing you to take them up, and use them; bu tlikewise, that hardley means my commentary is outlawed.

 

[Capulet]

das: All the news articles and statistics I've looked at says that Islam is the fastest-growing religion in the world.

 

[North King]

B)the barbarossa, German, and French comments are, aside from beign accurate for the times (and agian, in Frances case, true; I have nothign agianst France; its actually a great place, assuming you discount the Parisian attitudes towards just about everyone; the people are generally nice, and I have gotten along with the french citizens I have met, except for this one dude, but I wont get into that) its also to try to provide a more realtic alternate history; if you dont liek it thats too bad; if you strove for more realism, and less Dues ex machina, or arbitary choices made just because you want power A to be this strong, without thinkign of the logical consqunces of it, then perhaps such a problem wouldnt exist; but as such situation continue to arise, you can be sure that i will pu tmy opinion on them; if you dont liek them, no one is forceing you to take them up, and use them; bu tlikewise, that hardley means my commentary is outlawed.

You're trying to make it too close to real history--a weak Byzantine empire that loses Venice is entirely plausible, it just never happened.

 

[Cuivienen]

Well, personally I think that Capulet does have a point, though Buddhism seems to be the more rapidly-spreading religion Islam IS, as of now, taken more seriously then other religions. It has something to do with the fact that it, like the other ones, IS unique.

Rapidly spreading? Where, pray tell? Nowhere in the world are religions really spreading rapidly right now. Buddhism gets some hippies in the West. Christianity spreads slightly in South Korea and Japan. Islam increases minimally in Kenya and Nigeria. Conversion to any religion has stalled, mostly because the youngest major religion is 1,400 years old.

 

[Xen]

Tom Cruise Say Scientology is the worlds fastest gorwing religion!

 

[Insane_Panda]

Tom cruise is getting crazier and crazier by the day

Western hippies distort buddhism! Down with Richard Gere!

 

[Xen]

You're trying to make it too close to real history--a weak Byzantine empire that loses Venice is entirely plausible, it just never happened.

well, the Byzantien empire harldey looks to be keeping Venice, dose it? ANd whats wrong with being close to real history; last tiem I checked, real history has its problems, but it has resulted in us, so it cant be that bad

plausibe and close to reality do not equal bad Alt-history; it merelly makes for a more realistic scenario, that can skew greatlly farther afeild as the alt history continues on.

 

[das]

A)Fundamentalist religion is absurd; I'm a man duelly devoted to what i belive in, but shoving it down the throats of others even at the coast of war IS absurd, illogical, cotnradictory to most faiths anyway, and lets not forget, immoral and savage; thier is no argument agianst this; I dont have a problem with a hard core beliver in thier faith, or lack of one for that matter; I simpley dont care; my own path is my own path, and other have thier own; but when people try to shove thier faith down anothers throat is when I have a problem with it.

What does that have to do with fundamentalism?

Buddhism gets some hippies in the West.

As well as here. That said, Islam too is getting lots of converts in Russia as well. As does Christianity.

Xen, is OUR history plausible? Nope, its filled with those same deus ex machinas you deny, I keep stumbling upon those here and there.