Alternate Timeline Building Experiment, v1.0

Sregnirb Kingdom

Pushing towards the coast, a maritine fleet and aquaculture based economy will grow. This will facilitate us establishing trade links with the Tojin Tribe. With time we will expand assimilate their culture, developing the island, bringing our horses and iron with us. The Waeulta tribes will then be contacted as our trade network expands
 
Tagaon Kingdom will focus on building up a stronger military, and conquering the remaining Washagon tribesmen. They will also improve their agriculture and domesticate animals. (Sheep)
The Washagaon tribes will try to stop the Tagaon Kingdom from conquering them and will do their best to destroy the kingdom, if possible. If they fail, they will slowly assimilate into Tagaon culture.
The Nashagon tribes will continue with their domestication, and move south to warmer lands.
The Waeluta tribes will focus on trading more, and improving their written language. They will trade and discover new technologies and ideas with whomever they can get in touch with.
The Asauat tribes will focus on better hunting techniques, as well as making better sea-faring vessels. They might even discover (the English Isles) through their sea exploring.
 
Thanks! OK an update may appear in about 24 hours (from time of this post, obviously)

alex994 said:
Are those sheep capable of domestication? I mean, I would have assumed the original North American cultures would have done so if it had been possible...
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Symphony D. said:
Intrude: Bighorn pretty much can't be. Dall never have been. All domestic sheep are Ovis aries.
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I was wondering about that. Is it possible the natives just didn't try, due to not having a tradition of domesticating things in general?
 
According to evolutionary biologist Jared Diamond, animal species must meet six criteria in order to be considered for domestication:


Flexible diet — Creatures that are willing to consume a wide variety of food sources and can live off less cumulative food from the food pyramid (such as corn or wheat) are less expensive to keep in captivity. Most carnivores can only be fed meat, which requires the expenditure of many herbivores.

Reasonably fast growth rate — Fast maturity rate compared to the human life span allows breeding intervention and makes the animal useful within an acceptable duration of caretaking. Large animals such as elephants require many years before they reach a useful size.

Ability to be bred in captivity — Creatures that are reluctant to breed when kept in captivity do not produce useful offspring, and instead are limited to capture in their wild state. Creatures such as the panda and cheetah are difficult to breed in captivity.

Pleasant disposition — Large creatures that are aggressive toward humans are dangerous to keep in captivity. The African buffalo has an unpredictable nature and is highly dangerous to humans. Although similar to domesticated pigs in many ways, American peccaries and Africa's warthogs and bushpigs are also dangerous in captivity.

Temperament which makes it unlikely to panic — A creature with a nervous disposition is difficult to keep in captivity as they will attempt to flee whenever they are startled. The gazelle is very flighty and it has a powerful leap that allows it to escape an enclosed pen. Some animals, such as Domestic sheep, still have a strong tendency to panic when their flight zone is crossed. However, most sheep also show a flocking instinct, whereby they stay close together when pressed. Livestock with such an instinct may be herded by people and dogs.

Modifiable social hierarchy — Social creatures that recognize a hierarchy of dominance can be raised to recognize a human as its pack leader. Antelope and giant forest hogs are territorial when breeding and cannot be maintained in crowded enclosures in captivity.
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more wikiness
 
OOC: So doesn't wiki contradict your statement about "Its just a case of need, and wanting to?" :p Tame and domesticated have different meanings you know...
 
Really... i'm guessing you tame something first, and then go on to domesticate it?
 
OOC: Erm... tame refers to individual members of the species, while domesticated refers to an ENTIRE species. For example, elephants can be tamed but are not domesticated (and they've been around humans for quite a while).
 
Aha, well I guess that is more down to the life cycle of the Elephant being far to long to domesticate... it takes many generations to reach domestication.. and noones attempted it with an elephant. lol.. it would probably take ~500 years due to an elephant developing so long.
 
It's hard to domesticate smart animals. Like cats. They aren't really domesticated as they don't need humans to care for them.
 
so you would equate reliance on humans as domestication?
 
Abaddon said:
so you would equate reliance on humans as domestication?
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No, but the inability of the animal to adapt to the wild should be considered. This is why I don't think pigs are domesticated. They can easily become wild in under a year and will lose all sense of being friendly. Chickens, cows and some other animals generally fail at defending or feeding themselves if left alone.
 
Abaddon said:
Not really:

Chickens gone wild: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2001999141_chickens07.html
Cows gone wild: http://www.aurochs.org/cows/breeds/
Wild sheep? http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2001/10/1025_TVsheepclone.html

this was 5 seconds on google.... I think essentially something domesticated is something we can breed and use as we want.
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The cows were naturally wild, such as bison or yak, or have been wild for centuries and the chickens live around people. You didn't prove anything.
 
Both bison and yak have been domesticated...

An no-one is looking after those chickens.. they are living "wild" even if it is in an amongst a town landscape.

I'm not sure what you are asking me to prove?
 
Abaddon said:
Both bison and yak have been domesticated...

An no-one is looking after those chickens.. they are living "wild" even if it is in an amongst a town landscape.

I'm not sure what you are asking me to prove?
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Yes but Yak's and Bison are naturally wild animals, the cattle we know is a purely domestic animal, not found in the wild.
 
Abaddon said:
Its just a case of need, and wanting to.
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Intrude: Actually about 85% of things can't, or they would have been. There has always been a need, and there has always been a want. You think Africans down in the Serengeti just decided to accept starving for most of history?

Foxes are overall quite similar to wolves and cheetahs in that they're on the edge of the limit. I'm also going to point out that providing one single example and saying it proves everything else can be domesticated is just about the largest hasty generalization I've ever seen.

You can't domesticate elephants. You can't domesticate zebras. You can't domestic lions. You can't domesticate giraffes, or hippos, or antelope, or most of the megafauna on this planet. People have tried, and it straight up doesn't work. I refer you to the Anna Karenina section of Guns, Germs, and Steel. I believe people who have you know, actually studied efforts at human domestication of animals through history, might be the ones to consult.

Abaddon said:
Aha, well I guess that is more down to the life cycle of the Elephant being far to long to domesticate... it takes many generations to reach domestication.. and noones attempted it with an elephant.
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You're right. In the thousands of years that elephants have been used for heavy labor, I'm sure nobody bothered, figured out it didn't work, and instead undertook the method of capturing and taming them instead, which has been used to this day! Clearly not.

You don't even know enough about this subject to argue it. Why are you bothering?
 
I've decided to ignore some cultures.


Krilik Kingdoms: Acting strangely like the Kaj, build many walls and forts to protect lands fiercly. Begin favoring large, bow carring forces over regular meele troops.

Skilach Chiefdoms:slowly integrate into Amestrian culture, asking to be vassals of the Amestrian Kingdom.

Serenity of Syhin: Normal Syhin stuff. Peace, unity, yadda yadda yadda.

Guraj Empire: Launch a couple "holy wars" to spread Syhinism into East Asia.

Kaj Kingdoms: Start collapsing into rather barbaric states due to damage inflicted upon them from their nieghbors.
 
Luckymoose said:
No, but the inability of the animal to adapt to the wild should be considered. This is why I don't think pigs are domesticated. They can easily become wild in under a year and will lose all sense of being friendly. Chickens, cows and some other animals generally fail at defending or feeding themselves if left alone.
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As a former farm boy, I can tell you that pigs are barely domesticated - but still domesticated. Their sense of friendliness is very thin even when on the farm: they will attack you if you touch their piglets. Violently. However the fact that they can be controlled, herded, and farmed, I think, makes them domesticated.

HACK JOB
 
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