Ani Taneen
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If an OP Horn of Africa/Egypt is a concern, maybe a food bonus to the Ethiopian UP/UB?
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From now on, Königsberg is synonymous for shifting the position of parts of or the entirety of a continent and/or enlarging areas of the map.
The antonym of Königsberg is Iberia... Seriously, I've been wanting to shrink that, france and england for so long but I keep having other more important things to do!
What about REGION UPs!
Asia: Lower number of cities maintenance cost per local religion
Europe: Increased yields in tiles adjacent to cities
Polynesia: Polynesia's current UP
Russia/Siberia: Lower distance maintainence per luxury
Middle East + Egypt: Monasteries never obsolete
Africa: Increased Food on rough terrain
North America: New cities have +X Happiness for Y turns. (STOP PUNISHING COMMUNIST AMERICA)
The antonym of Königsberg is Iberia... Seriously, I've been wanting to shrink that, france and england for so long but I keep having other more important things to do!
What about REGION UPs!
Asia: Lower number of cities maintenance cost per local religion
Europe: Increased yields in tiles adjacent to cities
Polynesia: Polynesia's current UP
Russia/Siberia: Lower distance maintainence per luxury
Middle East + Egypt: Monasteries never obsolete
Africa: Increased Food on rough terrain
North America: New cities have +X Happiness for Y turns. (STOP PUNISHING COMMUNIST AMERICA)
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I have nothing substantive to add but I think it warrants repeating. This is an interesting idea.
When did the UP become "Increased happiness from free enterprise...."? Also, does communist America have a dynamic name or just "U.S.A."?
Imperator Knoedel
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America is the "United Socialist States of America" when communist and the "New World Order" when fascist.
Ani Taneen
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can we get a Bernie Sanders leader head for non free market America?
As for regional UP's, I like the idea. A part of me has an urge for religious UPs (like civ 5+). But that's overkill.
As for regional UP's, I like the idea. A part of me has an urge for religious UPs (like civ 5+). But that's overkill.
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I agree, with the regional limits on religions, giving them a UP would be akin to adding a second regional UP to larger regions.
Regional UPs are supposed to represent the differences among regional cultures and/or make up for deficiencies among entire regional groups of civs to make it more true to life. Examples are Middle East and Asia for culture and Europe and Africa for deficiencies.
Speaking of America, IIRC their UP is mainly to prevent happiness issues in new cities, how would something along the lines of "Newly acquired cities have +X Happiness for Y turns" do at replacing America's current (really stupid) UP? With the right amount of tweaking America's cities would be happy by the time the UP wears off, while also making settling new cities much more important than before, as Luxuries become necessary to keep older cities functional. Perhaps it could be called The Power of Manifest Destiny.
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How is America's current UP stupid? Have you ever talked to an American? They are unbelievably brainwashed, their current UP is perhaps the most realistic and fitting UP in the game.
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Why should the brainwashing be limited to Constitution, Democracy, Free Market, and Individualism tho? An American Communist or Facist party could have easily led America to be just as brainwashed for any other civic. My point is that it's stupid to use the UP to artificially force the player into a specific set of civic. No other UP does that. They may have synergies, but the don't outright say "gives bonuses to X civic".
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Not to the point that any alternatives should be discouraged. It's not like India's Up is +5 Health while running Caste System.So you do not think that democracy and individual freedom are inherently American virtues?
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Note to myself: Change India's UP to +5 Health when running Caste System.
Updating my government watch list. You don't want a public sector job do you?
I mean, Europe isn't really deficient though. I think if a regional UP like that were applied to Europe it would significantly imbalance the game. I imagine you would have to reduce the beneficial modifiers on European civs.
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On the point of imbalance, of course modifiers would have to be redone. For the idea of Europe being deficient, it's not in terms of civ, but in terms of history it certainly is deficient. Historically the urban development and historical importance density of Europe was absurd, leading to issues with famous cities like Konigsburg not being represented. By giving such a UP, it promotes a much tighter settlement of cities than is currently optimal without giving European civs an enormous advantage in other regions. This is the same reason I suggested Siberia/Russia's and East Asia's UPs, to allow rapid settlement in their regions without the effect creeping into colonies or such, which is something Modifiers can't currently do.
My friend was talking to me about this, and gave me a few ideas:
- South America: Current Incan UP, but also including Marshes (IIRC they're also unworkable)
- Possible Alternative North America: Extra commerce on Camps
Oh good point. I hadn't worked out that it wouldn't apply to their colonies. Then they would get the regional benefit wherever they colonize? That's kind of cool, in a way represents the unique character of their colonial subjects. As for South America maybe mountains and marshes get different benefits. I kind of like that URP though.
[EDIT]: Maybe a more appropriate regional UP for North America would be a commerce booster. Gold or trade or something.
On the point of the American UP. If we change the parameters should it be renamed? Perhaps "The Power of Propaganda"? Haha!
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I'd imagine it'd still be the American Dream no matter which way you slice it. Communists dream of equality, Fascists dream of unity, and Capitalists dream of prosperity, and socialism is the child of both capitalism and communism, kinda.
Were we to change the parameters but keep it similar to the current idea of civic-based bonuses without getting too complex, here's a few ideas:
- +2 Happiness per Culture Level. (Represents increased prosperity from state sponsored cultural propoganda)
- +1 Happiness from Luxury, Health, and Strategic resources from Capitalism, Communism, and Fascism, respectively. (Rep inc pro from the expansion of their empire to sustain their goal (commerce, self-sustenance, and conquest))
- +1 Happiness per 10% Espionage (Again, propoganda)
Imperator Knoedel
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That's not how that works, that's not how any of this works!
Oh, US fifth grade social studies showing its face again. I don't want the idea of having regional special rules and it doesn't have anything to do with the new map, so please continue to discuss that elsewhere.
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I was meaning in terms of a socialist american dream. I'm well aware that the analogy doesn't apply to anything outside of the dream.
