AMAZON Diplomatic Messages

[Irgy]

From us to Amazon and Quatronia:
Sent Monday, November 22nd, 09:45(GMT)

Greetings fellow allies

It has come to our attention that both Amazon and Quatronia are currently researching Fuedalism. Something should be done about this as soon as possible. It also highlights some poor communication within the ETTT, for which I am willing to share responsibility.

I would normally want to advise here who has been researched it further already, and what we ourselves are currently researching, but I don't currently know either of these things myself personally, and find it most important to pass on the more critical piece of information first.

Irgy, on behalf of Team Sirius

 

[AlphaShard]

From Amazon to US
11-22-10 10:01 AM

Hello Sirian friends,

We will move straight to the point, as we favor a swift resolution to
the matter of Anjennida. Our people consider your latest proposal
very poor, and substantially worse than the first one, which we also
consider quite poor.

Since we are sure you realize that the new proposal is much worse
than the first, we see this latest proposal as essentially another
re-offering your first proposal. At this point you have rejected all
of our proposals and continually insisted on your original proposal.
This leads us to the conclusion that you wish to insist upon the
proposal we have already rejected several times, and you do not truly
wish to negotiate further.

Therefore, in the interest of SAP unity, we will reluctantly acquiesce
to your unfair, original proposal with the condition that you agree
not to build cultural buildings or wonders on Anjennida. This
condition is the only way to prevent our cities from being culturally
overrun. Of course you may need to build cultural buildings on
Anjennida at some point, but we would like to have these be delayed
until we have at least built libraries in all our Anjennida cities, to
stabilize the cultural disparities.

Finally, we are giving the Sirians their way, despite the fact that
we don't really like your proposal, because of the high value we place
on our friendship. We are expectant and hopeful that next time a
dispute arises between us the Sirians will return the sentiment.

nabaxo, Special Diplomatic Envoy to Sirius

 

[Trystero]

From AMAZON to us:
Received: Wednesday, 24th November, 21:37 GMT(via PM)

Greetings honored allies.

Let me first introduce myself. I am 2metraninja of the Amazons and I am serving the Zenobian Omnipotent Nation as a General.

Hard times comes to us and we need your help now to pull this off and even we all to gain something in the process.

As you may or may not know, we was able to capture one Merlot city and raze another with heavy losses on the Star.

Now, as we expected and warned you all in advance, Maverics and Merlots armies are marching to the center of the Star and our brave Amazon soldiers in Nabaxica are the only thing that will stay in their way before they can join and ravage any ETTT city on the star. Their combined forces numbers more than 15 xbows, 7 maces, few catapults, spears, horse archers and elephants, so no one is safe.

We need you to assure us that you will use this time to prepare and launch attacks on Mavericks cities on the Star when their whole army is heading to the center, so at least we dont take in vain the chance of our soldier dieing alone resisting and slowing the enemies in the center. Also we will appreciate if you are able to send soldiers to reinforce our position in the center. If you are unable/unwilling to launch such attacks or/and send armies to the center of the Star in less that 5 turns, we need you to inform us urgently, so that we to retreat our soldiers to defend our own cities on the peninsula of Anjennida.

We need to hear from you that you are with us in whatever comes around.

Brothers, what we do now, it echoes in eternity. We await your decisive actions now.

2metraninja, General of the Amazons

 

[Irgy]

From us to Amazon:
Sent Friday, 26th November, 21:04(GMT)

Greetings friends of the Amazon

Anjennida

I have to say I am genuinely confused as to what was so poor about the deals offered. They were deliberately designed to be symmetric, one giving you a deal substantially the same as what the other gave us, so I fail to see how they could both be poor. Your request however with regards to cultural buildings does at least give some insight as to what your concern is.

For the record, I dispute the claim that we did not wish to negotiate. We gave very specific and detailed explanations of what our problems were with your proposals, and in the case of your dotmap specifically what was superior (even for yourselves) about our proposal. We did not accept your proposals as they were because we also considered them, as you would put it, very poor. However, since there was clearly a gap between what each of us considered fair, we do appreciate your co-operative sentiment. It is a good sentiment and one I like to think we will follow and have been following ourselves.

We are happy to accept the general spirit of your proposal that we avoid cultural buildings on Anjennida. We have never intended to culturally crowd you out of your share of the land, but we do understand your concerns. We do wish to clarify however what you consider to be a cultural building here. We will happily avoid building monuments, cathedrals, theatres, monasteries and even temples. The land is also poor when it comes to production for building wonders anyway, so we see no issue there either. However, being primarily commerce land, it would be foolish not to build libraries and universities. The extra research would benefit yourselves as much as us.

From what you have said, it seems you are aware of this yourselves already. The natural agreement, that your message appears to be already leaning towards, would be that we can build our own research buildings once you have set up some enough cultural output for yourselves. As long as your own libraries are not delayed interminably this seems acceptable to us.

Since we do not wish to be culture crowded off the continent ourselves as a result of agreeing to this, we would also request that this agreement be renegotiated if we find tiles marked as our territory (not including the tiles marked as disputed of course) under long term cultural threat from your cities. To put this into perspective, you would need to have a cultural advantage of more than either an entire culture level or 20 culture points per turn in your city for this to occur, so this is not something likely to happen by accident. We would not include in here a case where we were simply slow to settle but would expect to regain the tiles in the long term.

Finally, we should warn you that Rigel, having existed for a fair while, is getting close to expanding its borders, which makes it important to settle the northeastern city soon if possible.

Mavericks/Merlot army

We thank you for the heads up with regards to the incoming Mavericks and Merlot forces. We have moved a scout into visibility range and can see them for ourselves.

We have a moderate force which we have been building up with intent to strike at the core of the Mavericks empire. We are now considering whether to redirect them to raid and raze cities on the spoke, and also whether we will need them in order to defend our own cities on Bode, depending on which way the Maverick forces turn. We also hope to send the macemen we used to raze the barbarian city on Anjennida south to assist, although they need some time to heal.

We should also talk to Quatronia, if you haven't already, as they appear to be preparing to attack the spire.

As impressive as their concentrated force may be, with our combined effort we should be able to use this opportunity to strike at their back lines and cripple their ability to generate any such army in the future. We wish you the best of luck in your battles.

Best regards,
Irgy on behalf of Team Sirius

 

[HUSch]

I get this as pm

I salute our brothers in arms The Sirians!

Congratulations on your capturing Jumbo City.

We need your swift response - do you have enough force to hold Procyon against Mavericks army if they move in its direction or you need us to stop them in the center? This way we are risking Nabaxica, but if this will secure your cities and leave you free to push against Merlots further more, we will take this risk for the common well.

If they move in Anjennida/Jennilund direction, they will be in our perimeter and I will be able to stop them, so no worries about Anjennida cities.

I hope that you get that message before our part of the timer expires, which is in ~6 hours.

2metraninja, General of the Amazons

 

[HUSch]

our answer

Hello
We hope we will be able to defend Procyon, We will have at least 4 cats and 4 maces there by turn 127, when the head of their army will stand at the gate of Procyon. Also we can whip walls there if necessary.

Can you send us a message if they turn toward us in this turn? We had to retreat our lookout and our scouting caravel won't arrive at the center for 2 turns. Also, can you gift us a horse resource, until we connect our horses on Anjennida? We would like the option of whipping mounted units. Our main army will attack Copper City in 2-3 turns. We have razed Jumbo City, but are not able to pillage their Ivory without delaying future city attacks.
HUSch, aide de camp

 

[HUSch]

our reqest

Hello Amazon general

Can you tell us what direction the Mavericks army is moving? Can you give me a pic of the star center (if you can do so without giving us any info about your game)?

HUSch

 

[Irgy]

From AMAZON to us:
Received Wednesday, 00:38(GMT)

Here is the map of Star Center

2metraninja, General of the Amazons

 

[AlphaShard]

From Amazon to US:
In-game message:

Spoiler :

 

[HUSch]

I (cav scout, HUSch, RegentMan, socralynnek, Trystero) get this message

Greetings to all ETTT Allies:

Congrats are in order for the recent successes against the despicable M&M enemies. We are heartened that our allies are turning the tide on Starland as well as on the home islands of the M&Ms. We give thanks to Nike, Goddess of victory, and pray that you continue make war, taking the lands of M&M and restoring the rightful property of the ETTT. We will continue to work towards this goal just as you are doing the same. Keep up the good work, we look forward to the fast-approaching end of M&M menace.

On the tech front, we have completed the bulk of our needed upgrades with the much appreciated help of our allies, and we have returned our efforts toward pursuing new technologies for the mutual benefit of the ETTT. We will have Feudalism in approximately 2 turns, immediately after which, we will begin teching Guilds. As the M&Ms do not yet have Engineering, we are hopeful that armoured mounted AMAZON warriors will assist in finally crushing them once and for all.

It is our understanding that Sirius is researching Printing Press, and we recall that Quatronia has beakers invested into Drama, but we are unsure what our other allies tech plans are. Please share this information at your earliest convenience, so that we may continue to avoid duplicate research.

Sommerswerd, Zenobian Captain

 

[HUSch]

I get this message

Dear Sirians,

This is a repeat of my in-game messages... I just logged in to look around and saw a trade proposal of Marble for 1GPT. I had no knowledge of it and I just wanted to look around so I am rejecting it only for that reason. If this was already planned out and agreed to with another member of the team, I apologize.

However, it seems odd that you would ask for 1GPT for Marble. Why not just gift it to us if you are not using it? The only thing I can think of, is that the 1GPT is a way of guaranteeing a NAP for the next 10 turns. That is not necessary since we already have a treaty covering the next 10 turns.

It seems that maybe the real issue is that we need to have a more formal discussion about the treaty. Since it seems you are thinking the same thing, I will just send you a repeat of this message through regular diplo channels.

Just to be clear, me rejecting this trade should not be taken as a sign that The AMAZON is planning to invade Sirius. We are planning no such thing and are eager to discuss extending our treaty with you.

Again, The AMAZON wishes to extend the SAP/ASP treaty with Sirius. Please let us know if Sirius sees any merit/need to extend the treaty. We look forward to hearing from you.

Sommerswerd, Captain of The AMAZON

 

[AlphaShard]

To Amazon from Us:
I wanted to send a quick reply to clear up any confusion:

Sent as of today.

Dear Amazons,

Though I am not the usual Diplomat I wanted to explain my in game actions. We are currently building the Great Library and cannot give Marble to you until next turn. We would be happy to make a trade deal of Marble next turn. I was not trying to make a "Nap treaty for 10 turns", I was merely trying to rent the Marble for the duration of your need of it.

As for the 1000 AD Treaty, Irgy or Trystero will send a more formal message about it once our team has had time to discuss that and the Marble trade for next turn.

Yours sincerely,

AlphaShard

 

[Irgy]

From us to Amazon:
Sent Wednesday, January 12th, 20:58(GMT)

Greetings people of the Amazon.

Our apologies for the poor communication with regard to the marble. As you no doubt would have noticed, we were using it to build a Great Library. Since this is now complete, we are happy to loan the marble to you, and I would assume an offer has been made in game by now. The offer to trade for gold was one turnplayer's attempt at a compromise, not related to any sort of fear for our NAP ending.

You raise a good point however, as indeed the treaty is coming up to its nominal completion date reasonably soon. We would be pleased to remain allied with the Amazon people for as long as other teams remain, so we are indeed happy to discuss an extension of the pact.

As such, we suggest an extension of the pact until the year 1500AD.

One more technical issue; I had assumed that there were 10 turns of NAP leeway any time the pact was cancelled, but re-reading it the 10 turn NAP only comes into effect if the pact is cancelled specifically due to no other teams remaining. While obviously there is no need for an NAP in the case of the pact being cancelled due to a violation by the other party (section 2.4), it seems incongrous to me that after 1000AD that we could in theory go from having a pact one turn to a decleration of war and surprise attack the next. So I would be inclined to extend the 10 turn NAP of section (3.4) to apply to any time the pact is willingly cancelled.

We hope all is going well in the fight against Merlot, and await your thoughts.

Irgy, on behalf of Team Sirius

 

[Lord Parkin]

From Amazon to us:
Sent Sunday, January 16th, 20:06 (GMT)

Greetings to Our Friends and Allies of the Sirius Business:

We are happy to hear that our friends are willing to extend our special relationship, formalized in the SAP. Although our treaty is not actually expiring (as it continues indefinitely until canceled), the period where cancelation is not permitted ends soon. We wish to extend this period as do you. However, our Goddesses prefer a slightly simpler method of doing so.

Here are the relevant sections of the treaty for reference:

Spoiler :

Section 2. Pact Duration and Cancellation Terms

2.1. The pact continues indefinitely until it is canceled.

2.2. The pact cannot be canceled until 1000AD.

...

Section 3. Non Aggression

3.1. Both members agree not to attack each other at any time while this pact is in effect.

...

3.4. If the pact is canceled because there are no non-member teams left in the game (Section 2.3) a Non-Aggression Pact will go into effect that will last for 10 turns after the last non-member team is eliminated.

We appreciate and agree with the spirit of your suggestions for the extension of the Non Aggression Pact, however, the Zenobians wish to avoid overly complex redoundancies in our agreements because complexities often offend the Goddesses. Our Goddesses do not understand why an extended Non-Aggression clause is necessary on a base Non-Aggression period... "Why not just make the base period longer?" is what they say to us... The Goddesses also say "We don't need an additional 10 turn cooldown period anyway, because approaching 1500 AD we will be discussing another extension again."

Therefore, to appease our Goddesses, we invite the Sirians to decide which type of NAP we will have to augment our larger treaty. We can add set a term of years to our NAP, giving us occasion, many years from now, to revisit our treaty, as we are doing now. On the other hand, we can instead adopt a standing obligation to give prior turns notice of cancelation. We would enjoy either type of NAP equally, so it is up to the wise Sirians to choose which best suits them.

Accordingly, and under Section 10.2 of the SAP:

Spoiler :

Section 10. Amendments

10.1. A proposed amendment may be submitted by either member.

10.2. A proposed amendment will be adopted upon agreement of both members.

We submit the following proposed amendments to section 2.2 of the SAP and request that our friends in the Sirian Business choose the one that suits them best. The one that Sirius chooses will immediately replace the current Section 2.2, and thus become part of the SAP treaty.

Here are our proposed amendments for Sirius to choose from:

Choice 1:

2.2. The pact cannot be canceled until 1500AD.

or

Choice 2:

2.2. The pact cannot be canceled except with 10 turns prior written notice via team gmail and PM to the most recent turnplayer.

We look forward to the Sirians decision. May our mighty Alliance continue to dominate Starland and beyond.

nabaxo, Special Envoy to Sirius

 

[Lord Parkin]

From Amazon to the ETTT:
Sent Sunday, January 16th, 19:30 (GMT)

Hello ETTT allies,

This is a short message to inform allies in advance that we are building the illustrious Versailles Palace to counteract the enormous, potentially crippling costs of managing the unruly cities liberated from the Evil Merlot Kingdom. It is our hope that this palace will serve as a shining example of the righteousness of the ETTT and pacify the former Merlot citizens.

Sommerswerd, Captain of The AMAZON

 

[Irgy]

From us to AMAZON:
Sent Saturday 22nd January, 20:20(GMT)

Greetings Amazons

Just a short message to inform you we have all here agreed with

2.2. The pact cannot be canceled until 1500AD.

as the desired amendment with which to extend the ASP.

We look forward to the continued peace and prosperity.

Best wishes,
Irgy, on behalf of Team Sirius

 

[Trystero]

From us to the ETTA:
Sent: Thursday, 27th January, 21:32 (GMT)

Dear ETTA members,

We have become aware that coordinating our efforts through diplomatic channels has suffered recently, leading to the loss of the technological advantage we had over the Mavericks/Merlot alliance. We note that the ETTA were beaten to Guilds by Mavericks/Merlot. This is not something that should have happened. We are as responsible for this as any other team, and feel it necessary to remedy the situation by making a concerted effort towards better communications.

Specifically, it has come to our attention that both Quatronia and ourselves were researching Nationalism. We did not discover this until both our teams had nearly completed researching this tech. They (Quatronia) believed we were researching Printing Press, which we were until we thought CDZ was researching this tech. We now see that CDZ was researching Education. Regardless of how this came about we need to avoid wasting our research in the future, as it negates a significant advantage we have over Mavericks/Merlot.

Furthermore, we propose not only better coordination, but also a greater effort to regain a (military) technological advantage over Mavericks/Merlot. During the current conflict we have all forgone research in order to save cash upgrade units or gain espionage advantages on Mavericks/Merlot. We now advocate a return to a research focus so that the ETTA makes full use of our research capabilities.

We feel the ETTA would greatly benefit from a discussion of research priorities. And more specifically, what sort of military advantage we are aiming for (muskets/cannons/cuiraissers? rifles?).

In the interim, we have put a turn of research into Liberalism, but do not want to complete this tech until more expensive research options (say, Steel) become available. We have considered researching Constitution (for Representation to further boost research) or Military Tradition next (cuiraissers/cavalry). What are the other ETTA members researching now?

Finally, we also feel it would be to our mutual benefit to better coordinate our war efforts against Mavericks/Merlot.

We look forward to hearing the opinions of other ETTA members regarding these matters.

Sincerely,

Team Sirius

 

[Lord Parkin]

From AMAZON to the ETTA:
Recieved Saturday 29 January at 22:07 (GMT)

Dear ETTA members,

We are sorry to hear about the wasting of research currently occurred. But more important is we to take lesson of this and not let it to happen again by communicating better in the future.

We want to inform you, that we have spies positioned and espionage points accumulated to steal Guilds in the next 4 turns, so we will be back on par with M&M technologically quick. Then we are going to steal Gunpowder too, as Merlots are researching it and will have it in 8 turns if they keep their rate. Then we will be available to research the next agreed technology.

After securing the Martathon peninsula, at the moment we are in process of regrouping and building an army, capable of seriously hurting our enemies at their homes and once we are near finishing equipping our expeditionary force, we will be glad to discuss and coordinate military actions with our allies.

About research priorities, we have to make a discussion inside the team and
between the teams to find the best way forward.

Regards,

Team Amazon.

 

[Trystero]

From us to the ETTA:
Sent: Wednesday, 2nd February at 01:43 (GMT)

Fellow ETTA members,

In the interest of expediency, and regaining our advantage over the Maverick/Merlot alliance, we would like to fully commit to research as soon as possible. The question is how to best allocate our research. As we mentioned earlier, we believe Steel and Rifling should be our immediate targets.

We have considerable research capabilities available to us. We have a strong economy, are building universities and, and can finish Liberalism in 2 turns when we are ready to take advantage of the free technology. If the Amazon are going to steal Guilds and then Gunpowder, we can direct our research elsewhere. Our understanding is that Quatronia is currently researching Printing Press, which leads to Replaceable Parts > Rifling. We are currently unaware of CDZ's research plans.

We intend to research Constitution (for Representation) now, and then take over research of Replaceable Parts, when Printing Press is completed.

We would also like to inform you that we are building Taj Mahal. We hope this does not conflict with any other member's plans.

Regards,

Trystero, Sirian diplomat

 

[Trystero]

From us to AMAZON:
Sent: Friday, 11th February at 19:09 (GMT)

Dear Amazonian friends,

We would like to build libraries in our cities on Anjennida to further improve our research. However, we are concerned about the impact of the additional culture on your cities. In a few truns Achernar will have >100 culture and have a cultural expansion. We are willing to provide you with Confucian missionaries to help offset our culture, but would like your thoughts on the matter.

Regards,

Trystero, Team Sirius