Ancient/Pre-Steam Unit Graphics

[gapetit]

Here is another Druzhina warrior, now with a Byzantine style kite shield as well as Norse bearded axe and Gjermundbu style helmet. I also enjoy sarcastic productions, definitely worth to watch. Invicta has a nice piece on the historical unit.
I like to draw stuff and I try to keep my opinions to myself. I don't know what you are all talking about and I do not care that much about politics on my free time, to be honest.
A rise of Novgorod scenario would be cool, I remember Alex Morr/ Alex the Magnificent had made such a scenario back in the old days, with his unique style of graphics. He had all his scenarios on his own website, I haven't seen it for years.

There is the magnificent scenario MOSCOW -- THE THIRD ROME by Michael J. Daumen, passed to ToT by Keu and that I am modifying to play it. I am going to include the scenario temporarily and I hope for some advice or contribution. And Tanelorn I have a doubt about the scenario of the Alex that you indicate... Was it the one of the Vikings?

 

[Tanelorn]

Could be. I vaguely remember the units form two decades ago...

 

[gapetit]

Could be. I vaguely remember the units form two decades ago...

And then there was a song that said that 20 years is nothing...

 

[Tanelorn]

Polish armies from the coronation of Mieszko I until Casimir the Great's reforms 960 AD - 1335 AD.

Independent Slav tribes and states from their first move west until absorption into the Croat, Serb, Bulgar, Magyar, Polish, Rus and East Frankish states 476 AD - 1218.
"Southern slavs" include the Slavs and Antes that fought the Byzantines and each other, and were dominated by steppe peoples such as the Avars, Magyars, Bulgars and Khazars.
"Western Slavs" are the Carantani of Austrian Carinthia until absorbed by the Franks and the Bohemians and Moravians until the acquisition of their lands by Poland in 1003.
"Northern Slavs" include those tribes such as the Dregovichians, Drevlyans and Vyatichans that defended their native forests against the Rus until 985, and the Wends that defended and raided along the Baltic coast at least until 1218.

 

[Tanelorn]

Pagan Lithuanian and Samogitian armies from the invasion of Lithuania by Mstislav of Kiev in 1132 to the Lithuanian expansion from 1240 onwards, after the destruction of the Kievan Russian state by the Mongols. They took in much of western Russia and fended off the Teutonic order.

 

[Tanelorn]

EARLY RUSSIAN 1054 AD - 1246 AD This army covers the period from the break-up of the Kievan Rus state into competing pricipalities until the Mongol conquest. Druzhina are now all cavalry. Polk are town spear militia and Smerdy (!) are peasants from the surrounding districts.
POST-MONGOL RUSSIAN 1246 AD - 1533 AD armies of northern Russia from the Mongol conquest until the accession of Ivan the Terrible. The Dvor that replaced the Druzhina were the paid troops of the prince and the more important boyars. These are mainly Novgorod units.
garisson crossbowmen x3, light infantry archer, woodsman,
urban militia, western light cavalry, western havy cavalry x2, Novgorod urban cavalry x2

 

[Patine]

EARLY RUSSIAN 1054 AD - 1246 AD This army covers the period from the break-up of the Kievan Rus state into competing pricipalities until the Mongol conquest. Druzhina are now all cavalry. Polk are town spear militia and Smerdy (!) are peasants from the surrounding districts.
POST-MONGOL RUSSIAN 1246 AD - 1533 AD armies of northern Russia from the Mongol conquest until the accession of Ivan the Terrible. The Dvor that replaced the Druzhina were the paid troops of the prince and the more important boyars. These are mainly Novgorod units. Sudzal and Muskovy next.

When do the Strelets show up?

 

[Nightgoblin]

When do the Strelets show up?

During Ivan the Terrible's reign

 

[Tanelorn]

POST-MONGOL RUSSIAN 1246 AD - 1533 AD southeastern cavalry, western cavalry, crossbowman, infantry Vladimir-Suzdal, boyar
eastern cavalry, easten prince, Novgorod/ Lithuania heavy cavalry and infantry, Muskovite field army cavalry, heavy cavalry, infantry.

An early 15c Muskovite handgunner.

 

[Tanelorn]

Lithuanians, 14 and 15th century. Most Lithuanian cavalry were unarmoured skirmishers, who, although most carried bows, used these only on foot, fighting mounted with a light lance, the "spisa", which could be used for thrusting or throwing. After 1299 their numbers included many Tatar exile horse archers and after 1360 large numbers of Russian allies as well.
Note the helmets with a characteristical conical shape, quite unique.
No sig on the knight, I only did the fork thing which now looks like flames so Iets keep it anyway.

 

[Tanelorn]

These are Polish army types from the reforms of Kazimierz III (Casimir the Great) until widespread use of hand fire arms. The rycerz or (typical European) knights were supported by czeladz or followers, initially armed with crossbow and called strzelcy (shooters), but by 1400 with lance instead, as pictured. They often included Lithuanian light cavalry, as above.
Infantry were seldom fielded, the best being town militia who formed 10 deep, the first rank with pavise and spear, the others with bow or crossbow.
After 1400 AD these were supplemented with Serbian light cavalry (Hussars), guns, handgunners and Tabor war wagons that might have inspired the Hussites (Jan Zizka served in Poland as a mercenary for a time). Or it worked the other way around, I dont know.

 

[ph1191188]

This might be the wrong place to ask this but I was playing around with some of the unit images from this thread, trying to add them to a custom Civ 2 MGE scenario, and the individual unit images seem too big when I add them to the default UNITS.gif file (see below). This is my first try at building a scenario, is there correct way to add custom units?

Thanks!

 

[Metro Polis]

Yours is a Civ2 ToT unit. Cut it out, shrink it and paste it into the original frame. That pink and violet colour is transparent, so its shape doesn't really matter. Save the unit file as bmp - 256 colours.

 

[Thorvald of Lym]

Building on the above, Test of Time expanded sprite dimensions to 64x64 px, whereas MGE and earlier are 64x48. Some ToT graphics can be finagled to fit, but it's also important to note that they use 24-bit "true-colour" palettes, and may end up looking washed out converted to MGE's.

 

[ph1191188]

That makes sense—thanks for the info! I've never played around with ToT (grew up on MGE) but from everything I've been reading, it seems like the better choice for scenario building.

 

[Patine]

That makes sense—thanks for the info! I've never played around with ToT (grew up on MGE) but from everything I've been reading, it seems like the better choice for scenario building.

I believe there is a similar settler unit in some of the MGE scenarios on the SL.

 

[Thorvald of Lym]

That makes sense—thanks for the info! I've never played around with ToT (grew up on MGE) but from everything I've been reading, it seems like the better choice for scenario building.

One word: ToTPP.

 

[Fairline]

This might be the wrong place to ask this but I was playing around with some of the unit images from this thread, trying to add them to a custom Civ 2 MGE scenario, and the individual unit images seem too big when I add them to the default UNITS.gif file (see below). This is my first try at building a scenario, is there correct way to add custom units?

Thanks!

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Here's the original I drew for MGE over 20 years ago

Edit: and a very quick and dirty MGE version of the bare-headed farmer:

 

[ThichN]

Hi all, I was wondering if there happens to be an antiquity-style ship out there that is huge, a juggernaut like the Syracusia or something. I have @Fairline 's wonderful collection of sailing ships, and up to the quadrireme, but was wondering if anyone has made something like an ancient battleship. Thank you!

 

[Fairline]

Hi all, I was wondering if there happens to be an antiquity-style ship out there that is huge, a juggernaut like the Syracusia or something. I have @Fairline 's wonderful collection of sailing ships, and up to the quadrireme, but was wondering if anyone has made something like an ancient battleship. Thank you!

I drew a double-hull ship for Paleologos' Hannibal scenario IIRC; not sure if that would fit the bill?