Animated History of Poland

[Aquila SPQR]

Had a very Civ4 feel to it, but looks like it's lacking in cultural events. It makes it seem like Poland is one big eternal war.

It's only a trailer. In full version will be at least two our artists (Chopin and Mickiewicz).

 

[Terxpahseyton]

I disagree. There is nothing wrong with telling the story of a nation, even if you just focus on their successes and vilify their historical enemies.
As long as they don't push the history too much.

If the premise is to let a nation look awesome it will inevitable mispresent history.

In anycase, you cannot argue that Polish history, especially from the 1300-1650 made a very successful nation of itself.

I really can't, because I have no clue. All I know from that time span is that the Polish helped to stick it to the Turks. I have to watch the movie I guess.

 

[Dachs]

Really more like 1450-1620 in purely military-political terms, with significant setbacks in the midst of it all

 

[Huayna Capac357]

That's...so...cool!

 

[warpus]

No glorification? Come one, just watch the very first scene. Some guy rams a stick into the ground, a big lightning sphere aroses and BAM! - Poland is born!
That is not exactly how nations arise.

Dude, that's exactly how it happened It was a magical stick, ok?

@Aquila SPQR When the final video comes out, can you post it here? I wanna see it, but I'll likely forget

 

[Aquila SPQR]

Warpus - sure thing, as far as I know it will be shown on some movie festival which will take place this month. So probably then they will release full version to everyone.

 

[Birdjaguar]

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[Domen]

Here is the full version - unfortunately the quality is poor (since it's a 3D version probably recorded by cell phone):

http://www.joemonster.org/download.php?d_op=getit&lid=25962

There was a full version on You Tube but they removed it.

 

[W|M]

I know that later on, Polish History can be summed up in 8 words: 'Being constantly beat up by Russians and Germans'.

 

[Domen]

Interesting. And this "constantly" is when exactly? What battles, what timeframe? Facts, dates, sources - please!

Btw - here another video on Polish history (this time 10 minutes long):


Link to video.

 

[W|M]

Significant internal reforms were introduced during the later part of the 18th century, but the reform process was not allowed to run its course, as the Russian Empire, the Kingdom of Prussia and the Austrian Habsburg Monarchy through a series of invasions and partitions terminated the Commonwealth's independent existence in 1795. From then until 1918 there was no independent Polish state. The Poles had engaged intermittently in armed resistance until 1864. After the failure of the last uprising, the nation preserved its identity through educational and other nonviolent activities such as organic work. The opportunity for freedom appeared only after World War I, when the oppressing powers were defeated or weakened by war and revolution. The Second Polish Republic was established and existed from 1918 to 1939. It was destroyed by Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union by their Invasion of Poland at the beginning of World War II. Millions of Polish citizens perished in the course of the Nazi occupation.

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[Domen]

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It would be fair to take into consideration entire history not just several conflicts during the last 200 years.

Here is the list of all German-Polish and Russian-Polish conflicts in history and their outcomes:

First half of 10th century - Poland emerges on the political map of Europe as a state.

Around 960 - duke Mieszko I, the first fully historical ruler of Poland, begins to rule in Poland.

966 - Polish duke Mieszko I decides to baptise himself in order, among other reasons, to avoid German and other Christian "converting" invasions.

1) List of Polish-German military conflicts (in total 40 wars and smaller conflicts):

The uprising of the Slavic tribe Wkrzanie against German occupation (954) - according to historian H. Łowmiański, Polish forces provided support to Wkrzanie
Lausitz-Polish war - Markgraf of Lausitz Hodo invades Poland and the battle of Cedynia is fought (972) - Poland completely defeats the invaders
1st Polish-German war - Poland invaded by emperor Otton II (979) - Poland repulses the invaders
2nd Polish-German war (1002 - 1005) - treaty of Poznan; draw unfavourable for Poland (German advance stopped but some territory lost)
3rd Polish-German war (1007 - 1013) - treaty of Merseburg; Polish victory
4th Polish-German war and the decisive battle of Bautzen won by Polish forces (1014 / 1015 - 1018) - Poland captures Lausitz and Meissen - treaty of Bautzen; Polish victory
5th Polish-German war (1028 - 1031) - Poland vs Germany (later Kievan Rus joined as German ally) - Polish forces invade Saxony, but combined German-Russian counterattack in 1031 defeats them, Poland lost some territory to the Russians, Germany recaptured all previously lost territories
6th Polish-German war (1109) - German forces invade Poland but are repulsed
7th Polish-German war (1157) - German forces invade Silesia, burn the castle Glogow and advance into the province of Greater Poland; but then peace treaty is signed - draw
Brandenburgian Invasion of Western Pomerania (1180) - Brandenburgians occupy Western Pomerania
2nd Lausitz-Polish war (1209 - 1211) - Polish victory
1st Polish-Thuringen war (1225 - 1230) - Polish victory
1st Polish-Brandenburg war (1238 - 1240) - Polish victory
1st Greater Poland-Brandenburg war (1247 - 1252) - Polish victory
2nd Greater Poland & Pomerelia vs Brandenburg war (1265 - 1273) - Polish victory
Polish Invasion of Santok against Brandenburg and the battle of Mysliborz (1278) - Polish victory
Brandenburgian Invasion of Rogozno (1296) - Brandenburgian victory
Brandenburgian Invasion of Gdansk (1308) - Brandenburgian victory
1st Polish-Teutonic war (1308 - 1309) - Teutons capture Gdansk, Teutonic victory
Polish-Brandenburg combats in Greater Poland (1316) - Brandenburgians repulsed
2nd Polish-Teutonic war (1327 - 1332) - Teutons and their allies - Czechs - repulsed in the battles of Plowce and near Kalisz
Brandenburgian Invasion of Santok and Drezdenko (1370) - Brandenburg recaptures Santok and Drezdenko
3rd Polish-Teutonic war ("The Great War") (1409 - 1411) - Teutons defeated at Grunwald, Polish-Lithuanian decisive victory
4th Polish-Teutonic war ("The Hunger War") (1414) - Polish victory, Polish forces invade and plunder the Teutonic state
5th Polish-Teutonic war (1431 - 1435) - Polish victory
6th Polish-Teutonic war ("The Thirteen Years War") (1454 - 1466) - Polish decisive victory, Poland recaptures Gdansk and Pomerelia
7th Polish-Teutonic war (1519 - 1521) - Polish final victory, the Teutonic state is destroyed, Poland captures Warmia
Battle of Byczyna (1588) - fought against Austrian forces but commanded by Maximilian III Habsburg "der Deutschmeister" - Polish victory, Austrian forces repulsed
The 2nd Northern War - the treaty of Malbork on 25.06.1656, Brandenburg joins the anti-Polish alliance; the treaties of Welawa on 19.09.1657 and Bydgoszcz on 06.11.1657 - Brandenburg abandons the anti-Polish coalition and enters into an anti-Swedish alliance with Poland - The war was Polish pyrrhic victory over Sweden and her allies
The Kosciuszko Insurrection (1794) - Poland vs Russia (later Prussia joined as Russian ally) - Polish defeat, in 1795 Poland as a fully independent state perishes from the map of Europe divided by Russia, Austria and Prussia
1st Greater Poland Uprising (1806) - Polish victory, Greater Poland liberated from German rule and then welcomes entering forces of Napoleon
The Polish-Prussian war of 1806 - 1807 (Polish forces support forces of Napoleon) - Polish victory
The Polish-Austrian war of 1809 and the battle of Raszyn - Polish victory, lands occupied by Austria in 1795 return to the Duchy of Warsaw
2nd Greater Poland Uprising ("Poznan Uprising") (1848) - Polish insurgents are defeated
3rd Greater Poland Uprising (1918 - 1919) - Polish insurgents are victorious, Germans are repulsed from Greater Poland
1st Silesian Uprising (1919) - Polish insurgents are defeated
2nd Silesian Uprising (1920) - Polish insurgents are victorious
3rd Silesian Uprising (1921) - Polish insurgents hold their territorial gains, Upper Silesia becomes part of Poland
The Invasion of Poland (1939) - Poland vs III Reich (later the USSR joined as German ally) - Polish army is defeated by combined Nazi-Soviet forces
World War 2 (1939 - 1945) - Poland is among victorious countries, Polish army in exile fought on many frontlines against the Nazi Germany

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And here the list of Polish - Russian conflicts:

2) List of Polish-Russian military conflicts (in total 46 - 47 wars and smaller conflicts):

At the beginning most of Polish-Russian wars were small conflicts, but in a later period they were very devastating:

Russian Invasion of Grody Czerwienskie region in eastern Poland (981) - Russian forces capture Grody Czerwienskie, Russian victory
Polish Recapture of Grody Czerwienskie and Invasion of Kiev (1018 - 1019) - Polish forces win the battle of Wolyn and capture Kiev
4th Polish-German war (1028 - 1031) - Poland vs Germany (later Kievan Rus joined as German ally) - see the result above
1st Polish Invasion of Rus (1069) - Polish forces capture Kiev for the 2nd time, dethronize Kievian ruler and enthrone a new one
2nd Polish Invasion of Rus (1077) - Polish forces capture Kiev for the 3rd time, dethronize Kievian ruler and enthrone a new one
Russian Invasion of the Polish borderland (1092) - Russians and Kipchak people invade Poland and plunder some areas but are finally repulsed
Invasion of Poland by Wolodymyrek of Halych-Wolhynia (1124) - Halych-Wolhynian forces defeated by Polish forces
1st Polish Invasion of Halych - Poles capture Przemysl (1124) - Polish victory
Russian Invasion of Mazovia (1142) - Russian forces plunder some parts of Mazovia but cannot capture any town or castle
Polish-Russian war for the city of Brzesc and the battle of Belz (1180 - 1183) - inconclusive conflict
2nd Polish Invasion of Halych-Wolhynia (1189) - Halych-Wolhynia suffered heavy losses but Polish forces repulsed
3rd Polish Invasion of Halych-Wolhynia (1199) - Halych-Wolhynia plundered but Polish forces finally withdraw
2nd Invasion of Poland by Halych-Wolhynia and the battle of Zawichost (1205) - Russian forces completely defeated
3rd Polish Invasion of Rus (1207) - Polish forces plunder some territories but are repulsed
Polish Invasion of Wlodzimierz Wolynski (1214) - Polish forces plunder some territories and withdraw
Invasion of Daniel duke of Wlodzimierz Wolynski against Poland (1218) - Russian invasion repulsed
Three Polish-Hungarian Invasions of Rus (1219 - 1221) - Ruthenian forces seriously shaken
Mazovian - Halych-Wolhynian war and the battle of Czerwien (1236) - Polish (Mazovian) forces are defeated and have to withdraw
Polish-Halych-Wolhynian war and the battle of Gozlice (1280) - Ruthenian-Tartar forces are defeated by Polish forces
4th Polish-Hungarian Invasion of Rus (1323) - Polish-Hungarian forces conquer the entire south-western Rus
The war for the Duchy of Halych-Wolhynia (1340 - 1392) - Poland & Hungary vs Lithuania & Tatars & Halych-Wolhynia - Poland gains control over Halych-Wolhynia
1st war of Poland-Lithuania against Moscow (1500 - 1503) - Muscovite forces capture some territories of Lithuania, Lithuanian-Polish defeat
2nd war of Poland-Lithuania against Moscow and the battle of Orsza (1507 - 1508) -the battle and the entire war is inconclusive, but Moscow has some territorial gains
3rd war of Poland-Lithuania against Moscow, the 2nd battle of Orsza and the battle of Polock (1512 - 1522) - Muscovite forces completely defeated in the 2nd battle of Orsza
4th war of Poland-Lithuania against Moscow (1534 - 1537) - war is inconclusive, Poland-Lithuania capture Homel while Russia capture Siebiez, peace treaty is signed in Moscow in 1537
1st Northern War (1558 - 1570) - Poland gains almost entire Livonia, the outcome of this war is favourable for Poland
Russian Invasion of Livonia (1575) - Russian forces capture most of Livonia
1st Polish-Russian war (1577 - 1582) - Poles counterattack, recapture entire Livonia, capture some Russian territories including two mighty castles
1st "Dymitriada" - Polish Invasion of Russia (1604 - 1606) - This attack causes chaos in Russian political circles
2nd "Dymitriada" - Polish Invasion of Russia, (1607 - 1610) - Inconclusive, the full scale Polish-Russian war starts as the result of this event
2nd Polish-Russian war (Russia supported by Sweden) and the battle of Klushino (1609 - 1612), Russian and Swedish armies completely defeated near Klushino, Polish forces capture Moscow for 2 years
3rd Polish-Russian war and the battle of Smolensk (1632 - 1634) - Polish forces are victorious at Smolensk, the entire war is Polish victory
4th Polish-Russian war, part of the 2nd Northern War (1654 - 1667) - Russian invasion - after many bloody battles Polish forces repulse Russian forces back to their motherland
War of the Polish Succession (1733 - 1738) - the treaty of Vienna is signed, as the result of this war Russia gains influence on Polish politics
Bar Confederation (1768 - 1772) - Bar Confederation is defeated by "Polish royalists" supported by Russia, this leads to the first partition of Poland
Polish-Russian war in defence of the 3rd May Constitution (1792) - Polish forces surrender because the Polish king betrayed and started to support the Russians - the Constitution is abolished, this leads to the 2nd partition of Poland
The Kosciuszko Insurrection (1794) - Poland vs Russia (later Prussia joined as Russian ally) - The insurgents are defeated, this leads to the 3rd and final partition of Poland
Napoleonic Wars - Poland supporting Napoleon against Russia (1797 - 1814) - Poles share the fate of their ally Napoleon, the Duchy of Warsaw in Central Poland now becomes the autonomic and semi-independent Kingdom of Poland (Congress Poland), under Russian influence
November Uprising and the subsequent Polish-Russian War (1830 - 1831) - After bloody war regular army of the semi-independent Kingdom of Poland (Congress Poland) is defeated, despite many victorious battles and heavy losses suffered by the Russians - the defeat was suffered because of incompetence of some Polish political leaders and high military commanders
January Uprising (1863 - 1864) - Insurgents stood no real chance and were defeated
Siberian Uprising (1866) - Insurgents defeated in the battle of Miszycha
Lodz Uprising (1905) - Insurgents defeated
World War 1 - Polish Legions supporting Austria against Russia (1914 - 1918) - Polish victory
Polish-Bolshevik war and the battle of Warsaw (1919 - 1921) - Polish decisive victory, Polish independence is preserved, Red Army shattered
The Invasion of Poland (1939) - Poland vs III Reich (later the USSR joined as German ally) - see above; Polish defeat
Anti-Communist Armed Resistance in Poland (1944 - 1963) - Insurgents are wiped out by Polish pro-Communist and Soviet forces by 1963

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Solidarity Movement and Anti-Communist Resistance in the 1980s - Polish victory, in 1989 Communism in Poland is abolished

 

[Aquila SPQR]

I know that later on, Polish History can be summed up in 8 words: 'Being constantly beat up by Russians and Germans'.

That's a good one!

I love those "experts" of Polish history

 

[Dachs]

When Polish nationalists have a history fight with other people, nobody wins.

 

[Aquila SPQR]

I'd say "when trolls come, nobody wins". I can't think of some CFC's "experts of geography/history" in other way, sorry.

Oh, by the way - I say American history can be described in six words: "got pwned by Indians and Mexico". Say something else and you're an American nationalist. Curious

 

[Dachs]

Don't start exhibiting that typical nationalist victim complex to me. I don't have the same jaundiced view of Polish political and military history as the people to whom you and Domen were responding, but it's difficult not to accentuate the negatives and ignore the positives when talking to people like you who get butthurt about it. It's a vicious cycle, and I'll thank you to not help perpetuate it. Post about stuff other than Polish history once in awhile, or something.

 

[Aquila SPQR]

It's really an interesting and fantastic analysis. Thank you

The truth is simple - trolls will always be trolls. They'll always try to write funnier things they are really capable of and insist writing the same, boring jokes. Yeah - there are some people who like such low sense of humor, but in fact - they are tragic.

but it's difficult not to accentuate the negatives and ignore the positives when talking to people like you who get butthurt about it

That times have passed long ago - right now I actually consider such posts/people silly and I mean that sincerely

Post about stuff other than Polish history once in awhile, or something.

Suggestion noted, but I'm afraid I can't do that Maybe you shouldn't read any threads about it - what do you think?

 

[asioasioasio]

For countries that has more than 1000 years you will find golden ages, great victories, but also dark times, lost battles, economic crisis, etc. Find me one of the older countries in Europe who has history stuffed only with greatness - it's always moment in time when empire starts to fall. Even USA - very young country has imo last decades of greatness left - it runs the same Gibbon's scenario "fall of an empire" - that was first notieced in Rome and last time with collapse of Soviet Union. Sorry, but end of XXI c. would be decades of Asia.

One of the creators of civ4 (I'm not sure if it was Alex Mantzaris) said civ is game about empires - the countries that dominated region (military, culturaly, economicly, etc.) during some period of time.

And Poland for sure built status of an empire in XV - XVII c. (with golden age in in XVI c.) that played the cards in central and eastern europe - and it has nothing to do with nationalism - it's just fact not blind looking on history. It was biggest christian country in that time, opened for different cultures, religions and nations, wich produced this way own interesting culture. Prussia wich became mayor power later in Europe (that was turned into Germany) was for many years our vassal, (earlier known as Teutonic Order was conquered by joined forces of Poland and Lithuania - last weekend it was 600th anniversary of Grunwald (Tannenberg) Battle. We even occupied Russia for couple of years putting fake Tzar on the throne,. - It's an argument for those that thinks that Polish History can be summed up in 8 words: 'Being constantly beat up by Russians and Germans'. Rzeczpospolita was one of the first democracies in Europe. Famous British historician Norman Davies (you won't call him polish nationalist?) would explain it better:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16mDR5XILUk&feature=related

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[Masada]

it runs the same Gibbon's scenario "fall of an empire"

Yes, because Gibbon is the be-all-and-end-all of historians. Jeez.

 

[asioasioasio]

You may not agree with him or respect his works, but fall of each empire we knew had the same (or very similliar) pattern wich he found:
- economic crises often caused by wars and military operations, sometimes plagues, or like it happens now by greed of banking establishment or rareity of strategic resources.
- lack of expansions - costs (also in humans) causes to stop expansion of countries - and the extended borders and current military operations ruind seconomy further.
- decadence of elites and nobles. Lack of morality.
- changes in demographics - change of classes, increased poverty, changes of dominant religions, ethnicity etc.