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Anti-Steam Petition

Discussion in 'Civ5 - General Discussions' started by techathon, May 7, 2010.

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  1. helpless_writer

    helpless_writer Warlord

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    Agreed! I do wonder though whether Cloud gaming will take off... Most likely that will be the future since paying 500, 600 or more for the PS4 Xbox 720 or Nintendo OMG even as a one time thing maybe to much.
     
  2. Avs

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    Everything goes digital distribution as soon as the publishing wars are over.

    Cloud gaming is already taking off (ie. Streamed over the internet). Take a look at OnLive and Gaikai. They are in Beta right now, and OnLive is going "live" in a few months.

    Let me just point out that there are many companies which choose to segregate their customers and lose sales over it. Just look at, oh...I don't know, Apple. Microsoft. Google. Just about every company does this, not because its fun or just cause, it's because it makes sense to them in a secret business strategy kind of way.
     
  3. MaxCiv

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    What?!?! What does the population on planet Earth has to do with it? How many of those 7 billion can afford afford a meal a day? How many of does have electricity? How many of those have disposable income? How many of those have computer? How many of those use it to play games on a regular basis?

    I don't know what's the number of PC gamers in the world, but 25 MILLION of them are regular Steam users. That should tell you something.

    A simple example about a similar PC game controversy: MW2 (which also uses Steam and Steamwork even for the retail box version). The online petition of the community reached over 250,000 "signatures" and the first 100,000 in just few days. The COD PC community made so much noise that even many news and blog sites not strictly game related picked up the news and everybody talked about it for a while.

    Do I need to tell you what happened after the release? MW2 on PC sold more than any other COD before (over 4 million copies and counting) and since its release last November it has been on Steam top 5 sellers almost daily and it's the most played game on Steam with peaks of over 100k online players daily.

    Adding to that, a DLC (map pack) was just released for MW2 for $14.99. Once again the so called hardcore community expressed their outrage on any official and unofficial forum with petition, boycotts, etc. because in previous COD games the map packs have always been free on PC. Well, guess what? Once again the DLC has been on the top of the sales charts, only beaten, coincidentally, by Civ 5 preorder the day it was announced and Civ 4 complete when it was on sale for $10.

    Do you need more "proof" of who is the minority?
     
  4. Rashiminos

    Rashiminos Fool Prophet

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    CIV is predominantly a single-player game. STEAM-only releases are inappropriate for SP games.
     
  5. MaxCiv

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    Civ 4 on Steam does NOT use Steamwork. Once downloaded and installed from Steam, Civ 4 plays exactly like the retail version, no more no less. Only difference is that it's installed in a different folder than the default path used by the retail version.

    Having said that:

    1) NO
    2) Steam chat and friend list is accessible any time the Steam client is running regardless if you are playing games or not. It behave just like MSN
    3) NO
    4) NO
    5) Yes, all games purchased from Steam will automatically update to the latest version unless you manually turn off that option.
     
  6. Sahkuhnder

    Sahkuhnder Delusions of grandeur

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    Yes, it tells us that you are willing to stretch the truth.

    25 million registered Steam accounts != 25 million "regular Steam users". Not even close.

    Protip: If you desire to convince people to agree with your opinion/perspective try telling the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. :)
     
  7. PieceOfMind

    PieceOfMind Drill IV Defender Retired Moderator

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    Source please.

    Especially considering, if my understanding is correct, a person can hold more than account.

    When I log on to Steam and see there are a bit over 1,000,000 gamers on line, I make an estimate at something more around 2-3 million are regular steam users.
     
  8. Sahkuhnder

    Sahkuhnder Delusions of grandeur

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    So of Chalk's five features you admit to two of them.

    I understand #1 (mods, which for Civ5 as I understand it will still be available on the traditional fansites) and #3 (multiplayer, which for Civ, unlike your MW2 example, isn't nearly as big a deal). How about #4 - contact lists? If I purchased Civ4 on Steam would I not be allowed to keep any contact lists? Am I allowed friends in the forum even (like here)?

    The crazy thing is I'm not anti-Steam. I already posted that I would probably purchase on or before release day. Are your efforts helping your cause or hurting it?

    History is littered with the wreckage of once-great companies that took their customer's loyalty for granted.
     
  9. Sahkuhnder

    Sahkuhnder Delusions of grandeur

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    I just created an account on Steam and clicked the "COMMUNITY" tab.

    Down For Maintenance
    Sorry!

    The Steam Community is currently down for maintenance. Please try back in a little while.

    Steam.JPG

    What happens when I want to play my online-saved Civ5 game and Steam is down?
     
  10. Savoir10

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    LOL. Exactly the same as you would for any online game if the server was down.

    However as you can play single player offline with Steam, you could always fill in the time until the MP server is back up.
     
  11. Oerdin

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    I hate steam.
     
  12. Sahkuhnder

    Sahkuhnder Delusions of grandeur

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    Which is one of the many reasons I only play single-player offline games. My gameplay time is not at the mercy of some server working.

    I had to post that screenshot. It was just too delicious. :p
     
  13. MaxCiv

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    http://store.steampowered.com/news/3390/

    That's technically possible, like you can have 10 msn accounts, 100 different email addresses, etc. but that would not be practical and it would defeat the purpose of using Steam. So why would I register different games under different Steam accounts? I want to play MW2 tonight I use account X, then I want to play DOW2 so I log off account X and log in to account Y, then I'm going to play The Secret of Monkey Island Deluxe so I log off account Y and log in account Z. Then of course I will have to ask all my friends to add my account X, Y and Z in their friend list because, you know, they may not see me online if I play different games and I will have to add all my friends to all my accounts :\

    Today (a Tuesday) the concurrent users peaked at 2.3 million and those are normal numbers that repeat every weekday. If you check the week ends the numbers are higher obviously. Do you really think that those 2.3 million users are always the same that connect every single day? You can check the stats anytime here.
     

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    You're in the same position you would be with the vast majority of games that do not have steam's cloud saving. This would last for a few minutes and then you're back in a superior position.
     
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  16. MaxCiv

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    Nothing I can say or do would convince you or the others that they are real. I don't work for Valve, even if I did you probably would still not believe it, I just pointed to the information that's publicly available. Draw your own conclusion.

    At least I have some numbers to show for. The Steam haters here that think that Firaxis should make a "Steamless" version of the game to cater to THEIR personal needs thinking that there will be any relevant financial impact for Firaxis when (if?) they won't buy the game. I call that being delusional.


    I was referring to Civ 4, which does not include Steamwork, like Civ 5 will. Civ 4, like all the games that do not integrate Steamwork, uses Steam only as a mean of electronic distribution, DRM, and patch delivery.

    This means that multiplayer on Civ 4 (from Steam) is no different than the retail version of Civ4.

    Having said that you can still have your Steam contact list accessible at any time as long as your Steam client is running and you are connected. You don't even need to buy any Steam game to use it as an IM. You can just install it, create an account and add people to your contact list the same way you do it in MSN or other IM system.

    I'm not here to help anybody's cause. I honestly don't care if you or anybody else here will buy Civ 5 or not. I know I will and I will enjoy it the same way I've been enjoying all my other games I got from Steam over the years. I'm confident that Civ 5 will be the most successful Civ to date and I know that many of the people who swear they will not buy it because of Steam, will eventually do it, like it has always happened for other controversial game releases.

    I just wanted to express my opinion on this topic and try to understand where all this Steam hate comes from and clear some of the FUD that is being spread here, intentionally or not by people who don't have a clear understanding of what Steam is or how it works.

    That's your personal choice and has nothing to do with Steam. Whenever you play online, you always connect to a "server" and you always depends on the other side being "up and running" and as well as your ISP. I can post screenshots showing of WoW being unavaliable every other tuesdays for regular maintenance, or my favorite COD 4 server, or my friend's Civ 4 Pitboss server, ecc. What does that prove beside the obvious?
     
  17. Woobi

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    Signed. I hate steam and will not buy the game if it comes with it or requires it. Pirates will still get around this. What is the point?!?
     
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    If you only play offline single player games, why would you be worried if the online server went down. No on second thoughts, I dont want to know.
     
  19. Willem

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    How about a one-time online authentication that doesn't require third-party software that most people will have no use for, and never use? And please don't start going on about how multi-player is the majority of Civ users. I've been hanging around this forum long enough to know that they aren't. Most players play it only in SP mode only. It's not hard to read between the lines in people's posts in order to determine how they play the game, and I see very few people who really get into the multi-player aspect. As for mods, this site has done a very good job of providing people with them. Forcing us to deal with Steam in order to get them doesn't benefit us in any way, and in fact removes our choice in the matter. Losing choices is never a good thing IMO. And if you really want to chat, there's already Messenger and other such utilities, so why is Steam chat such a huge benefit? I believe Civ 4 already has ingame chat function in fact. I don't play multi-player so I don't know for sure. So that leaves only the activation for most users, which 2K could easily handle themselves.
     
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