Anyone else feeling discouraged?

[aieeegrunt]

To me Civ 6 is more like a diner - has everything you want, though not necessarily the best version of everything, and there are some items you just never touch (seriously, who gets steak at a diner?). But when you just want to kick back and feel comfortable, it can’t be beat.

This is an insult to diners

Even the crappiest diner can more or less do eggs and bacon properly

Civ6 can’t even do that

and as for terrible AI... civ 6 ain't the only game with terrible AI... Look at AOE series... especially AOE3
(and for your information I mean definitive edition version not 5+year old version)

Standing waist deep in poop is fine because someone else is knee deep in poop

You are still standing in poop

This AI is so terrible that a few people spending five minutes in fracking notepad adjusting a few values and then a few playtest games dramatically improved the AI

THAT is the level of poop we are standing in

I haven't played for a couple of weeks either. I have been doing other stuff™ in the interim. It's funny - you'd think long cold nights would be ideal for a 4X game like Civ. Anyway I am sure the bug will come and bite me again before too long.

For me this worked a few times, then I realized I was waist deep in poop.

Time to find other places to stand.

Extremely discouraged.

There are certain features of Civ VI I love such as districts and wonders on one tile (along with the wonder movies) and I keep wanting to give it the benefit of the doubt but it’s getting harder and harder for me.

While the building aspect of it is cool, it is clearly obvious that the game plan all along was port to multiple consoles and in doing so needed a game with mass appeal. A relaxing city builder with occasional 4X elements rather than a grand strategy game. I found myself really just not challenged at all and with no access to source codes modding has been limited in getting to the root of the problem.

I have put in a lot more hours with Vox Populi because it scratches that itch for me. And the NFP just seemed like a final squeeze of money out of the consumers with lackluster “modes” that didn’t really do much for the game. I had high hopes but like it has been said before, the patches seemed to have done more harm than good to the game.

it’s a really disappointing realization about the path that the franchise is heading down

Civ is now basically a monetization first mobile game.

Civ Rev 1 still works for that and it’s a far superior title.

I’m done unless Civ7 takes a dramatic turn in design philosophy (getting rid of 1 UPT and districts)

I have abandoned far worthier franchises for far lesser sins

Discouraged. Now mostly because so many modders left the game. A DLL release would have been good but seems it wont happen. The game could be improved significantly even by fine tuning (soo many yields and policies that are in need of balancing). For example, the Rule With Faith mod makes the game twice as fun but is left to die since a few patches ago. That is depressing.

They clearly don’t want modding. You encourage modding if you want to build long term franchise loyalty.

You discourage it if you want to wring maximum monetization out of a title, and you want to do the EA rapid churn model

Mods compete with both selling DLC’s and other add ons as well as making your older titles competative with new releases (the Vox Populi syndrome)

I play it a lot less, but I don't understand the negativity on the forums. If I get too bored with it, I'll just move on to something else, and won't waste time to complain about it endlessly here.

The people complaining are the ones that want the next game to not be waist deep in poop, and that only happens if you keep pointing it out

 

[Rotomagus]

The reason is simply the AI not improving luxury resources in the corporations mode

It is not only happening in that mode, also with the mode turned off the so called AI leave any kind of ressources unimproved. They rather e. g trade for iron instead of improving it in their territory. In reg. to luxuries they often only improve only one. Looks to me like a bug hidden deep in the code. If it IS a feature, one could only laugh...

about being disappointed by the end result

We do not know yet, if Firaxis really stopped working on Civ6. But if they did, I have to admit it COULD be the end of the franchise...

 

[PiR]

The people complaining are the ones that want the next game to not be waist deep in poop, and that only happens if you keep pointing it out

Well, no they are not the only ones and for your second point, honestly, not sure. If there is such a monetization model as you believe (and I would tend to agree), then the only thing that will count will be the sales. And therefore the only thing you can do is not buy the next title (and discourage people from doing it). And it won't make much of a difference to FXS if other millions are sold, they won't care about you not buying it.

That comes from someone that agrees that Civ 4 is far superior.
But I don't come in the Civ VI forum to watch constant denigration of Civ VI, that's not what I expect. Very respectfully, I have to tell you that by insulting constantly the CIV VI devs on all topics of this subforum, I believe that you're spreading negativity around you, wasting your time and that that is neither good for you nor others. I just don't understand why you don't move on.

 

[leif erikson]

But I don't come in the Civ VI forum to watch constant denigration of Civ VI, that's not what I expect. Very respectfully, I have to tell you that by insulting constantly the CIV VI devs on all topics of this subforum, I believe that you're spreading negativity around you, wasting your time and that that is neither good for you nor others. I just don't understand why you don't move on.

Perhaps because they are such CivFanatics that they wish to see their favorite game improved so they can get to enjoy it again?

Their hope is that Firaxis will read the posts from here and get the message that Civilization needs some love.

 

[aieeegrunt]

Perhaps because they are such CivFanatics that they wish to see their favorite game improved so they can get to enjoy it again?

Their hope is that Firaxis will read the posts from here and get the message that Civilization needs some love.

That is entirely the point. I gave Civ6 a LOT of chances for that very reason. It would be a depressing moment to write of a franchise I’ve enjoyed since the original board gane

 

[Rotomagus]

I just don't understand why you don't move on.

Because, as aieeegrunt said, we cannot just 'move on'. The whole 'move on' - Narrative is just dumb. We need to HURT companies doing what F_xis does at the moment, and just 'moving on' or 'not buying' their next stuff won't change anything. They need to feel consequences immediately. As did Bethesda finally. And others before them. The overall 'business model' of 'Investors' in the gameindustry and everywhere else needs a TITANIC backlash.

As you say so yourself: WE don't buy it? Millions of other 'dumbasses' (e.g. so called 'casual players') still do. So 'not buying' won't help.

The overall attitude of 'companies' only caring to get as much money as they can as quickly as they can into the pockets of so called investors (Germans used to call that kind of Investor 'locust') needs to be ELIMINATED. Not changed, not tolerated, ELIMINATED. By law AND by Fan-backlash.

Of course we will not do it here or for CIV. But the frustration, fed by the overall attitude of those so called investors in ALL regards fuels this.

To me it is clear: NEVER anymore firaxis again. If they FIX stuff soon, I will reconsider.

 

[Haig]

Dude you take videogames a bit too seriously.

Check out reddit's civ subforum - it's full of posts of people having fun with the game and sharing their experiences.

On the otherhand here is way too many dramatic new threads everytime someonr feels betrayed by the greedy Firaxi$ that only thinks of money and doesnt "fix" things out of laziness.

The game could definately use a couple of patches but its still great, and sadly every civ game left some details unfinished. Like how in Civ V the ai never learned to move and shoot on the same turn!

 

[PiR]

We need to HURT companies doing what F_xis does at the moment, and just 'moving on' or 'not buying' their next stuff won't change anything.

Posting how much you hate the game in every thread of the forum won't achieve that either...

 

[aieeegrunt]

Because, as aieeegrunt said, we cannot just 'move on'. The whole 'move on' - Narrative is just dumb. We need to HURT companies doing what F_xis does at the moment, and just 'moving on' or 'not buying' their next stuff won't change anything. They need to feel consequences immediately. As did Bethesda finally. And others before them. The overall 'business model' of 'Investors' in the gameindustry and everywhere else needs a TITANIC backlash.

As you say so yourself: WE don't buy it? Millions of other 'dumbasses' (e.g. so called 'casual players') still do. So 'not buying' won't help.

The overall attitude of 'companies' only caring to get as much money as they can as quickly as they can into the pockets of so called investors (Germans used to call that kind of Investor 'locust') needs to be ELIMINATED. Not changed, not tolerated, ELIMINATED. By law AND by Fan-backlash.

Of course we will not do it here or for CIV. But the frustration, fed by the overall attitude of those so called investors in ALL regards fuels this.

To me it is clear: NEVER anymore firaxis again. If they FIX stuff soon, I will reconsider.

I’m in the same boat, and my term for Locust Investors is Vulture Capitol.

Dude you take videogames a bit too seriously.

Check out reddit's civ subforum - it's full of posts of people having fun with the game and sharing their experiences.

On the otherhand here is way too many dramatic new threads everytime someonr feels betrayed by the greedy Firaxi$ that only thinks of money and doesnt "fix" things out of laziness.

The game could definately use a couple of patches but its still great, and sadly every civ game left some details unfinished. Like how in Civ V the ai never learned to move and shoot on the same turn!

You may be ok with this level of “quality”, I am not

As well as Bethesda after the 76 announcement, this reminds me of the attitude of US auto makers in the late 70’s and early 80’s. Boy that ended well.

The vidoe game industry badly needs another crash and the equivelant of TMS happening

 

[Alaindor]

Well, all this hate in the forums make me want to leave those forums and just play the game and enjoy it without someone telling me I shouldn't. Love of the game cannot be demonstrated by constant hate, at least not the way I think.

 

[Rotomagus]

Check out reddit's civ subforum - it's full of posts of people having fun with the game and sharing their experiences.

That's what I mean with 'casual players'. They often don't even FIND those gamebreaking bugs or don't care about them. So, they are no benchmark.

I want a game that WORKS. An AI that is only decorative or an anoyance is not WORKING. And since that stupid launcher was implemented even the games stability went out the window. Acceptable? Not to me.

On the otherhand here is way too many dramatic new threads everytime someonr feels betrayed by the greedy Firaxi$ that only thinks of money and doesnt "fix" things out of laziness.

Posting how much you hate the game in every thread of the forum won't achieve that either...

And?

How are we supposed to reach them? I would love to just drive to their office and kick their asses, but in Ugly Murica you get into trouble when fighting for your rights...

every civ game left some details unfinished

That is exactly the point. I will not tolerate that anymore. And you are right, even Civ2 had some incredible bugs, which were never fixed. Unacceptable. Is this supposed to continue?

The vidoe game industry badly needs another crash

The whole vulture corporate dystopia, as you named it, should CRASH hard, but somehow they manage to keep the wheels going everytime... must be related to that 'tolerance'/'move on'-narrative...

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[Kwami]

You guys don't make any sense. Somehow, "casual players" (however arbitrarily you're defining that term) aren't worthy of having games made for them, and it's all the investors that are ruining your fun. What?

Why should they only design games that you like? What about the 11 million+ players who bought and enjoyed this "casual" game? Why shouldn't they get games, too?

Elitist nonsense is what that is.

 

[Kupe Navigator]

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That's what I mean with 'casual players'. They often don't even FIND those gamebreaking bugs or don't care about them. So, they are no benchmark.

I want a game that WORKS. An AI that is only decorative or an anoyance is not WORKING. And since that stupid launcher was implemented even the games stability went out the window. Acceptable? Not to me.

"Those filty casuals" is what you are saying.

 

[Rotomagus]

You guys don't make any sense. Somehow, "casual players" (however arbitrarily you're defining that term) aren't worthy of having games made for them, and it's all the investors that are ruining your fun. What?

Why should they only design games that you like? What about the 11 million+ players who bought and enjoyed this "casual" game? Why shouldn't they get games, too?

Elitist nonsense is what that is.

No. You just don't get it. We are talking about BUGS here. Casual players are just accepting shite on a plate and thus give an apology for 'companies' to continue shitting on their plates. AND on ours. If you want games for casual players, play some primitve Console Games instead, but do not dumb down games, which are or SHOULD be made for hardcoregamers who enjoy to delve deeper.

There is a minor company, which is very successfull in doing things NOT the way investors like it. And THEY are still ironing out bugs 10 years after release while being still profitable. Interestingly their founders say exactly what aeeegrunt and I pointed out: They do NOT want to bow to any whims of Vultures and Locusts, but do things their way. So... things change.

We cannot have a whole industry sink into mediocrity because 90% of their fanbase are...

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[Aristos]

must be related to that 'tolerance'/'move on'-narrative...

@TheMeInTeam has a great term for that... he calls it the "doormat market".

And yes, it has ruined many of the best franchises (in terms of real quality). I fear this one is next (or maybe it is already there).

Nothing to do with elitism. It's the same as the old saying goes: "every society deserves the government it gets"... well, every gaming community deserves the game it gets. Too bad many of us that are not OK with such "move" still get the game others deserve.

 

[Kwami]

If you want games for casual players, play some primitve Console Games instead, but do not dumb down games, which are or SHOULD be made for hardcoregamers who enjoy to delve deeper.

Right, so elitist nonsense because "casuals". You aren't saying anything new.

There is a minor company, which is very successfull in doing things NOT the way investors like it. And THEY are still ironing out bugs 10 years after release while being still profitable. Interestingly their founders say exactly what aeeegrunt and I pointed out: They do NOT want to bow to any whims of Vultures and Locusts, but do things their way. So... things change.

Which company is that? And which game? It must be super good by now if they're been fixing the bugs for 10 years. I might want to play it!

 

[Kupe Navigator]

No. You just don't get it. We are talking about BUGS here. Casual players are just accepting ****e on a plate and thus give an apology for 'companies' to continue ****ting on their plates. AND on ours. If you want games for casual players, play some primitve Console Games instead, but do not dumb down games, which are or SHOULD be made for hardcoregamers who enjoy to delve deeper

That never worked for any of game companies. Look at pokemon. They are not listening to hard core gamers and are keen on making game lite and accessible to casual gamers-even removing Battle Frontiers.
Look at how well civ 6 has sold.
In the end it all comes down to $$$$. Especially in capitalist society.

 

[Kwami]

That never worked for any of game companies. Look at pokemon. They are not listening to hard core gamers and are keen on making game lite and accessible to casual gamers-even removing Battle Frontiers.
Look at how well civ 6 has sold.
In the end it all comes down to $$$$. Especially in capitalist society.

Yeah, I think that's his point. The developers are more interested in money than in making a good game. Because the evil investors and shareholders demand it.

And, I get it. I do! I'm currently rather annoyed at Amplitude for the same reasons. But that's no reason to start talking about casuals and being so rude about everything, though.

 

[Kupe Navigator]

The developers are more interested in money than in making a good game.

He needs to accept it and move on... or create his own society without evil money.
If Big company like Game Freak won't listen to hard core gamers over large casuals... what makes people think Fraxis will listen to few "hardcore" gamers over large happy casuals?

 

[Rotomagus]

Kwami, you got your answers. Either digest it or don't, let's leave it at that.

reg the Company/Game I sent you a PM.