Octavian X
is not a pipe.
Session Start: Tue Jul 29 01:03:03 2003
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[01:03] <OctavianX> I need to talk with someone, RE construction...
[01:04] <Togas> hello
[01:04] <Togas> what's the news?
[01:06] <OctavianX> From what I can tell, we've come to the agreement that we have breached our previous tech-trade deal.
[01:07] <OctavianX> Because of this, we will not hand over construction at the moment.
[01:07] <Togas> ??
[01:08] <OctavianX> We will, however, hand it over for an open declartion of war, or at least plans for an attack, on GCa.
[01:08] <Togas> I don't follow. Perhaps you can explain.
[01:09] <OctavianX> Call it a bribe, or just being mean. That's FortyJ's position.
[01:09] <BigFree> hmm
[01:09] <Togas> We went along with this plan with the understanding that it would not intefere with our tech trade.
[01:10] <Togas> You know as well as I do how individuals like NYE will feel when I tell him about this.
[01:10] <BigFree> so, we did nothing to cause our deal to go sour, Forty only wnats us to decalre war and is using Construction to achieve that?
[01:10] <OctavianX> Yes, I do.
[01:10] <OctavianX> Believe me, I'm working my best to change that position.
[01:10] <Togas> Forty is going to sour relations with us really fast this way.
[01:10] <OctavianX> I know.
[01:11] <OctavianX> I'm just saying we do indeed have construction, but we're not going to give it up right away.
[01:11] <Togas> I'm not sure there's anything else to say. I'm just really dissapointed.
[01:12] <OctavianX> Give me a day or two. This little conversation will almost surely change some minds.
[01:13] <Togas> I really hope that it does. We have an alliance and a new NAP that formalizes those terms.
[01:14] <OctavianX> Because of that construction clause, FortyJ and others are wary of the new NAP.
[01:14] <Togas> I hope that FortyJ doesn't want to throw away an alliance with us over Construction
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[01:16] <OctavianX> That's my hope as well.
[01:16] <Togas> But please, for both of our sakes, explain to FortyJ the sort of people he's dealing with. Apolyton believes, and I assured the Consuls of this, that our tech treaty would not be harmed.
[01:17] <Togas> This news will seem like a stab in the back to some of them.
[01:18] <OctavianX> Apparently, FortyJ is of the opinion that the actions taken by bootstoots and CivGeneral were ones not to be recognized. I really don't know what's going thorough his head.
[01:18] <Togas> nor do I.
[01:19] <OctavianX> On a different subject...
[01:19] <OctavianX> What would Apolyton think if we were indeed to hammer out a peace treaty with GCA?
[01:19] <Togas> not sure. We have been expecting a war.
[01:20] <Togas> We haven't really thought much about the possibility of peace.
[01:20] <OctavianX> We're just looking for a border at the Balance of Power.
[01:20] <Togas> that's a reasonable border
[01:20] <OctavianX> If GCA ever decided to accept peace and a border there, the war would be over.
[01:21] <Togas> Is GCA still looking for that valley?
[01:21] <OctavianX> They intially wanted all of those grasslands west of Balace of Power
[01:21] <OctavianX> Our hope is that their expansionistic desires were ended by Elucidium's fall.
[01:21] <Togas> any new offers from them?
[01:22] <OctavianX> We've been plotting a reponse to their offer for tech-trade negotiation.
[01:22] <OctavianX> (assuming Trip told you about those messages)
[01:22] <Togas> can't trade techs while in a state of war.
[01:23] <OctavianX> Didn't you here about this message from Trip?
[01:23] <OctavianX> Hi,
[01:23] <OctavianX> we fully acknowledge the continued state of war between our two nations and your unwillingness to end it.
[01:23] <OctavianX> Therefore this is not a p
[01:23] <OctavianX> damn, wait..
[01:23] <OctavianX> Hi,
[01:23] <OctavianX> we fully acknowledge the continued state of war between our two nations and your unwillingness to end it.
[01:23] <OctavianX> Therefore this is not a peace envoy or a proposal of any kind of armistice. But this proposal is more a question, whether your empire is interested in tech trades nonetheless. We think we might have several interesting offers to make to your people and despite the state of war we are willing to agree to fair exchanges of technology that is not vital to each others military.
[01:23] <OctavianX> So, please reply whether you are interested in any kind of tech trade in the near future.
[01:23] <OctavianX> Sincerely
[01:23] <OctavianX> Lucky
[01:23] <OctavianX> GCA President
[01:23] <Togas> very interesting
[01:23] <Togas> how would they trade, though?
[01:24] <OctavianX> In-game peace and out-of-game war, I assume.
[01:24] <OctavianX> Sorta like the current peace/war of GoW and RP
[01:24] <Togas> 1 turn peace.
[01:25] <OctavianX> Our planned response is that we won't trade techs unless we have peace treaty signed and ratified.
[01:25] <Togas> you know, with an alliance between us, and tech sharing, we could get into the middle ages, get feudalism before GCA, and end this war very quickly.
[01:25] <Togas> I don't see why GCA oughta get any closer to the middle ages.
[01:26] <OctavianX> We plan to offer peace and a border at Balance of Power in that message, especially in response to the recent growth of the other four teams.
[01:26] <Togas> but if you do, aren't you completely throwing away your promise to CDG?
[01:27] <Togas> their dieing wish?
[01:28] <OctavianX> We're gonna attack again when we are actually ready to put up a meaningfull offensive. That's a given.
[01:28] <Togas> is it?
[01:31] <Togas> I doubt a cease fire is going to help win the war. GC has a better industry and a stronger military.
[01:31] <OctavianX> Still, we need time to build up.
[01:32] <OctavianX> Before we do have the time for putting up an offensive that actually has a chance of taking Balance of Power, GCA will have that army, and more, breathing down our necks.
[01:32] <Togas> it sounds like a lose-lose situation.
[01:34] <OctavianX> We've noticed. A peace time, to us, seems like the best chance for our survival.
[01:35] <Togas> OK, I've been cleared to tell you the following information:
[01:35] <Togas> we have found a goodie hut.
[01:35] <Togas> We have aquired Polytheism.
[01:36] <Togas> We are about to pop the hut and are praying for Curency
[01:36] <Togas> IF we get it, we want to give Poly, Currency, and YOUR construction to CDG before we take their last city
[01:36] <Togas> we would do this next turn.
[01:36] <Togas> assuming we get currency, of course.
[01:36] <Togas> it would result in CDG getting Feudalism, which we'd give to you.
[01:36] <BigFree> but we need Construction before we pop the hut to pull it off
[01:37] <OctavianX> ahhh....
[01:37] <Togas> constr costs more than currency, so currency would appear.
[01:37] <OctavianX> And if currency doesn't come out?
[01:37] <Togas> we keep on sailing for the next hut
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[01:37] <BigFree> then we hunt for more
[01:37] <WhiteBandit> we cry
[01:38] <BigFree> but it is an ecellent shot at keeping GCA in the dark ages
[01:38] <OctavianX> I'll bring it up in the forum...
[01:38] <Togas> don't waste our time on this.
[01:39] <Togas> endless debates and bureaucracy is going to spoil this chance, and ruin our friendship. And distrustful leaders on your side are going to result in us not trusting you either.
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[01:39] <nye> hello, octavian.
[01:39] * OctavianX is beginning to feel a bit crowded.
[01:39] <OctavianX> Hello all
[01:39] <MasterZen> don't let us intimidate you
[01:39] * MasterZen brings in his bodyguards, Guido and Nunzio
[01:39] <Togas> I mentioned to them in POly chat about this conversation
[01:40] <Togas> and they wanted to check it out.
[01:40] <OctavianX> I will bring up that possibility with the greatest urgency...
[01:40] <OctavianX> Also, remember, bureacracy is something our democracy games like to set up.
[01:41] <nye> Octavian. I am somewhat alarmed that the grave of CDG is not yet covered, and promises are being... reconsidered
[01:42] <MasterZen> bureacracy is good insofar it is a tool to beat passion with logic
[01:43] <OctavianX> I'm sorry to say there was little legitimacy of the promises made by CivGeneral and bootstoots.
[01:44] <OctavianX> Discussion has been bogged down a ton recently.
[01:44] <nye> well. that is unfortunate, considering that civs have taken action based on those words
[01:44] <Togas> even so, Poly did rely on those promises and they meant something to us. They still do.
[01:44] <MasterZen> plus, those promises were made days ago, it's not like you couldn't have reviewed them and rejected them sooner
[01:45] <OctavianX> This is only a result of a lack of inactivity. People disappear all the time over here.
[01:45] <nye> i understand.
[01:45] <nye> however.
[01:45] <nye> people come and go here as well, we do not change coats so easily
[01:45] <OctavianX> Your concerns are warranted. I would feel the same way...
[01:46] <nye> i am glad you can see our view
[01:46] <OctavianX> I'm just the messenger. From a political standpoint, I hold little power.
[01:46] <nye> has togas adequately outlined what could happen if we hold our present courses?
[01:46] <Togas> Thank you for speaking to us. It's difficult being the bearer of bad news.
[01:47] <OctavianX> Yes, he has. The log of this chat is certain to change minds.
[01:49] <nye> Well, we cannot hold you to war that pits you in an unfavourable position
[01:49] <Togas> In any event, please share our thoughts and concerns with your people. We are concerned for two reasons:
[01:49] <nye> we would very much like you to consider the tech implications of peace though
[01:49] <Togas> 1) That peace would make all 3 of us equal techwise.
[01:49] <nye> if GCA catches up to us, we will lose a great advantage
[01:50] <Togas> 2) That CFC is disregarding promises to Apolyton that we depended on, in good faith.
[01:50] <Togas> and I suppose a third point would be about respecting the wishes of CDG, but we will leave that to your team's conscious.
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[01:51] <OctavianX> We would lose a tech-advantage if we were to sign a peace treaty. However, we are already at a disadvantage that would negate any sort of advantage technology gives us.
[01:51] <nye> i see
[01:51] <nye> what tech do you trade for peace?
[01:52] <OctavianX> They are looking for tech trades in general, not ones for peace.
[01:52] <OctavianX> We have yet to discuss any sort of trades.
[01:52] <nye> what has been discussed, if i may ask?
[01:52] <nye> oh
[01:52] <BigFree> GCA can only have polytheism
[01:52] <BigFree> they wil work on Currency next
[01:53] <BigFree> CFC does not need that
[01:53] <BigFree> CFC can trade to get Poly from us
[01:53] <BigFree> possibly
[01:53] <OctavianX> As I understand it, we're equal technologically.
[01:53] <BigFree> peace with GCA nets CFC nothing but time
[01:54] <nye> well, gca could trade poly to cfc
[01:54] <BigFree> CFC=POLY
[01:54] <BigFree> yes
[01:54] <BigFree> true
[01:54] <BigFree> but since Poly gets Polytheism form GCA....
[01:54] <nye> however, cfc could get poly somewhere else
[01:54] <OctavianX> GCA and Apo would be our only sources...
[01:55] <nye> yes, Octavian. and our doors are open to cfc, as they always have been
[01:55] <OctavianX> As I understand it, other than construction, we currently have nothing else to offer.
[01:56] <nye> we understand
[01:56] <BigFree> we would rather deal Poly to you than to let GCA get tech even with both of us.
[01:56] <nye> we would like to delay gca from that for as long as possible. do you agree?
[01:56] <OctavianX> I do, yes.
[01:56] <nye> then we are on the same page
[01:57] <Togas> anyhow, I think we've beat this subject to death already
[01:58] <OctavianX>
[01:58] <Togas> Sorry if my bosses gave you the 3rd degree
[01:59] <Togas> please bring this log to your team and if you guys would like to talk more, we'll be available.
[01:59] <OctavianX> I plan to do that...
[02:00] <Togas> Good. I'm sure things are clearing now for both of us.
[02:00] <OctavianX> Also, can someone resend the save to thesim10987@msn.com ?
[02:00] <Togas> *clearer
[02:00] <Trip>
[02:00] <OctavianX> the civfanatics.net server has crashed...
[02:00] <nye> yes
[02:02] <nye> on it's way
[02:02] <OctavianX> Thanks.
[02:02] <Togas> We've had a good history of trust and cooperation so far, and we would like to continue our very good relations.
[02:02] <OctavianX> Thanks nye. I've got it.
[02:03] <Togas> I hope that FortyJ will reconsider his decision. It seems to hurt things between us and may cause damage to our relationship that neither of us want.
[02:04] <Togas> but enough of all that. ... thanks for coming, OctX
[02:04] <Togas> feel free to hang out and chit chat if you want
[02:04] <OctavianX> No Problem. I have too much time during late nights...
[02:05] <Togas> we have a few people like that over here as well....
[02:05] * Togas AHEMS and motions to Trip.
[02:05] * MasterZen AHEMS and motions to the entire FAM team...
[02:05] * OctavianX makes a mental note not to visit any links provided by Trip...
[02:05] <Trip>
[02:07] <Togas> if you see a link with "goats" in it ... STAY FAR FAR AWAY FROM IT!
[02:08] <nye> have a good evening, octavian. i must go
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[01:03] <OctavianX> I need to talk with someone, RE construction...
[01:04] <Togas> hello
[01:04] <Togas> what's the news?
[01:06] <OctavianX> From what I can tell, we've come to the agreement that we have breached our previous tech-trade deal.
[01:07] <OctavianX> Because of this, we will not hand over construction at the moment.
[01:07] <Togas> ??
[01:08] <OctavianX> We will, however, hand it over for an open declartion of war, or at least plans for an attack, on GCa.
[01:08] <Togas> I don't follow. Perhaps you can explain.
[01:09] <OctavianX> Call it a bribe, or just being mean. That's FortyJ's position.
[01:09] <BigFree> hmm
[01:09] <Togas> We went along with this plan with the understanding that it would not intefere with our tech trade.
[01:10] <Togas> You know as well as I do how individuals like NYE will feel when I tell him about this.
[01:10] <BigFree> so, we did nothing to cause our deal to go sour, Forty only wnats us to decalre war and is using Construction to achieve that?
[01:10] <OctavianX> Yes, I do.
[01:10] <OctavianX> Believe me, I'm working my best to change that position.
[01:10] <Togas> Forty is going to sour relations with us really fast this way.
[01:10] <OctavianX> I know.
[01:11] <OctavianX> I'm just saying we do indeed have construction, but we're not going to give it up right away.
[01:11] <Togas> I'm not sure there's anything else to say. I'm just really dissapointed.
[01:12] <OctavianX> Give me a day or two. This little conversation will almost surely change some minds.
[01:13] <Togas> I really hope that it does. We have an alliance and a new NAP that formalizes those terms.
[01:14] <OctavianX> Because of that construction clause, FortyJ and others are wary of the new NAP.
[01:14] <Togas> I hope that FortyJ doesn't want to throw away an alliance with us over Construction
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[01:16] <OctavianX> That's my hope as well.
[01:16] <Togas> But please, for both of our sakes, explain to FortyJ the sort of people he's dealing with. Apolyton believes, and I assured the Consuls of this, that our tech treaty would not be harmed.
[01:17] <Togas> This news will seem like a stab in the back to some of them.
[01:18] <OctavianX> Apparently, FortyJ is of the opinion that the actions taken by bootstoots and CivGeneral were ones not to be recognized. I really don't know what's going thorough his head.
[01:18] <Togas> nor do I.
[01:19] <OctavianX> On a different subject...
[01:19] <OctavianX> What would Apolyton think if we were indeed to hammer out a peace treaty with GCA?
[01:19] <Togas> not sure. We have been expecting a war.
[01:20] <Togas> We haven't really thought much about the possibility of peace.
[01:20] <OctavianX> We're just looking for a border at the Balance of Power.
[01:20] <Togas> that's a reasonable border
[01:20] <OctavianX> If GCA ever decided to accept peace and a border there, the war would be over.
[01:21] <Togas> Is GCA still looking for that valley?
[01:21] <OctavianX> They intially wanted all of those grasslands west of Balace of Power
[01:21] <OctavianX> Our hope is that their expansionistic desires were ended by Elucidium's fall.
[01:21] <Togas> any new offers from them?
[01:22] <OctavianX> We've been plotting a reponse to their offer for tech-trade negotiation.
[01:22] <OctavianX> (assuming Trip told you about those messages)
[01:22] <Togas> can't trade techs while in a state of war.
[01:23] <OctavianX> Didn't you here about this message from Trip?
[01:23] <OctavianX> Hi,
[01:23] <OctavianX> we fully acknowledge the continued state of war between our two nations and your unwillingness to end it.
[01:23] <OctavianX> Therefore this is not a p
[01:23] <OctavianX> damn, wait..
[01:23] <OctavianX> Hi,
[01:23] <OctavianX> we fully acknowledge the continued state of war between our two nations and your unwillingness to end it.
[01:23] <OctavianX> Therefore this is not a peace envoy or a proposal of any kind of armistice. But this proposal is more a question, whether your empire is interested in tech trades nonetheless. We think we might have several interesting offers to make to your people and despite the state of war we are willing to agree to fair exchanges of technology that is not vital to each others military.
[01:23] <OctavianX> So, please reply whether you are interested in any kind of tech trade in the near future.
[01:23] <OctavianX> Sincerely
[01:23] <OctavianX> Lucky
[01:23] <OctavianX> GCA President
[01:23] <Togas> very interesting
[01:23] <Togas> how would they trade, though?
[01:24] <OctavianX> In-game peace and out-of-game war, I assume.
[01:24] <OctavianX> Sorta like the current peace/war of GoW and RP
[01:24] <Togas> 1 turn peace.
[01:25] <OctavianX> Our planned response is that we won't trade techs unless we have peace treaty signed and ratified.
[01:25] <Togas> you know, with an alliance between us, and tech sharing, we could get into the middle ages, get feudalism before GCA, and end this war very quickly.
[01:25] <Togas> I don't see why GCA oughta get any closer to the middle ages.
[01:26] <OctavianX> We plan to offer peace and a border at Balance of Power in that message, especially in response to the recent growth of the other four teams.
[01:26] <Togas> but if you do, aren't you completely throwing away your promise to CDG?
[01:27] <Togas> their dieing wish?
[01:28] <OctavianX> We're gonna attack again when we are actually ready to put up a meaningfull offensive. That's a given.
[01:28] <Togas> is it?
[01:31] <Togas> I doubt a cease fire is going to help win the war. GC has a better industry and a stronger military.
[01:31] <OctavianX> Still, we need time to build up.
[01:32] <OctavianX> Before we do have the time for putting up an offensive that actually has a chance of taking Balance of Power, GCA will have that army, and more, breathing down our necks.
[01:32] <Togas> it sounds like a lose-lose situation.
[01:34] <OctavianX> We've noticed. A peace time, to us, seems like the best chance for our survival.
[01:35] <Togas> OK, I've been cleared to tell you the following information:
[01:35] <Togas> we have found a goodie hut.
[01:35] <Togas> We have aquired Polytheism.
[01:36] <Togas> We are about to pop the hut and are praying for Curency
[01:36] <Togas> IF we get it, we want to give Poly, Currency, and YOUR construction to CDG before we take their last city
[01:36] <Togas> we would do this next turn.
[01:36] <Togas> assuming we get currency, of course.
[01:36] <Togas> it would result in CDG getting Feudalism, which we'd give to you.
[01:36] <BigFree> but we need Construction before we pop the hut to pull it off
[01:37] <OctavianX> ahhh....
[01:37] <Togas> constr costs more than currency, so currency would appear.
[01:37] <OctavianX> And if currency doesn't come out?
[01:37] <Togas> we keep on sailing for the next hut
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[01:37] <BigFree> then we hunt for more
[01:37] <WhiteBandit> we cry
[01:38] <BigFree> but it is an ecellent shot at keeping GCA in the dark ages
[01:38] <OctavianX> I'll bring it up in the forum...
[01:38] <Togas> don't waste our time on this.
[01:39] <Togas> endless debates and bureaucracy is going to spoil this chance, and ruin our friendship. And distrustful leaders on your side are going to result in us not trusting you either.
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[01:39] <nye> hello, octavian.
[01:39] * OctavianX is beginning to feel a bit crowded.
[01:39] <OctavianX> Hello all
[01:39] <MasterZen> don't let us intimidate you
[01:39] * MasterZen brings in his bodyguards, Guido and Nunzio
[01:39] <Togas> I mentioned to them in POly chat about this conversation
[01:40] <Togas> and they wanted to check it out.
[01:40] <OctavianX> I will bring up that possibility with the greatest urgency...
[01:40] <OctavianX> Also, remember, bureacracy is something our democracy games like to set up.
[01:41] <nye> Octavian. I am somewhat alarmed that the grave of CDG is not yet covered, and promises are being... reconsidered
[01:42] <MasterZen> bureacracy is good insofar it is a tool to beat passion with logic
[01:43] <OctavianX> I'm sorry to say there was little legitimacy of the promises made by CivGeneral and bootstoots.
[01:44] <OctavianX> Discussion has been bogged down a ton recently.
[01:44] <nye> well. that is unfortunate, considering that civs have taken action based on those words
[01:44] <Togas> even so, Poly did rely on those promises and they meant something to us. They still do.
[01:44] <MasterZen> plus, those promises were made days ago, it's not like you couldn't have reviewed them and rejected them sooner
[01:45] <OctavianX> This is only a result of a lack of inactivity. People disappear all the time over here.
[01:45] <nye> i understand.
[01:45] <nye> however.
[01:45] <nye> people come and go here as well, we do not change coats so easily
[01:45] <OctavianX> Your concerns are warranted. I would feel the same way...
[01:46] <nye> i am glad you can see our view
[01:46] <OctavianX> I'm just the messenger. From a political standpoint, I hold little power.
[01:46] <nye> has togas adequately outlined what could happen if we hold our present courses?
[01:46] <Togas> Thank you for speaking to us. It's difficult being the bearer of bad news.
[01:47] <OctavianX> Yes, he has. The log of this chat is certain to change minds.
[01:49] <nye> Well, we cannot hold you to war that pits you in an unfavourable position
[01:49] <Togas> In any event, please share our thoughts and concerns with your people. We are concerned for two reasons:
[01:49] <nye> we would very much like you to consider the tech implications of peace though
[01:49] <Togas> 1) That peace would make all 3 of us equal techwise.
[01:49] <nye> if GCA catches up to us, we will lose a great advantage
[01:50] <Togas> 2) That CFC is disregarding promises to Apolyton that we depended on, in good faith.
[01:50] <Togas> and I suppose a third point would be about respecting the wishes of CDG, but we will leave that to your team's conscious.
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[01:51] <OctavianX> We would lose a tech-advantage if we were to sign a peace treaty. However, we are already at a disadvantage that would negate any sort of advantage technology gives us.
[01:51] <nye> i see
[01:51] <nye> what tech do you trade for peace?
[01:52] <OctavianX> They are looking for tech trades in general, not ones for peace.
[01:52] <OctavianX> We have yet to discuss any sort of trades.
[01:52] <nye> what has been discussed, if i may ask?
[01:52] <nye> oh
[01:52] <BigFree> GCA can only have polytheism
[01:52] <BigFree> they wil work on Currency next
[01:53] <BigFree> CFC does not need that
[01:53] <BigFree> CFC can trade to get Poly from us
[01:53] <BigFree> possibly
[01:53] <OctavianX> As I understand it, we're equal technologically.
[01:53] <BigFree> peace with GCA nets CFC nothing but time
[01:54] <nye> well, gca could trade poly to cfc
[01:54] <BigFree> CFC=POLY
[01:54] <BigFree> yes
[01:54] <BigFree> true
[01:54] <BigFree> but since Poly gets Polytheism form GCA....
[01:54] <nye> however, cfc could get poly somewhere else
[01:54] <OctavianX> GCA and Apo would be our only sources...
[01:55] <nye> yes, Octavian. and our doors are open to cfc, as they always have been
[01:55] <OctavianX> As I understand it, other than construction, we currently have nothing else to offer.
[01:56] <nye> we understand
[01:56] <BigFree> we would rather deal Poly to you than to let GCA get tech even with both of us.
[01:56] <nye> we would like to delay gca from that for as long as possible. do you agree?
[01:56] <OctavianX> I do, yes.
[01:56] <nye> then we are on the same page
[01:57] <Togas> anyhow, I think we've beat this subject to death already
[01:58] <OctavianX>
[01:58] <Togas> Sorry if my bosses gave you the 3rd degree
[01:59] <Togas> please bring this log to your team and if you guys would like to talk more, we'll be available.
[01:59] <OctavianX> I plan to do that...
[02:00] <Togas> Good. I'm sure things are clearing now for both of us.
[02:00] <OctavianX> Also, can someone resend the save to thesim10987@msn.com ?
[02:00] <Togas> *clearer
[02:00] <Trip>
[02:00] <OctavianX> the civfanatics.net server has crashed...
[02:00] <nye> yes
[02:02] <nye> on it's way
[02:02] <OctavianX> Thanks.
[02:02] <Togas> We've had a good history of trust and cooperation so far, and we would like to continue our very good relations.
[02:02] <OctavianX> Thanks nye. I've got it.
[02:03] <Togas> I hope that FortyJ will reconsider his decision. It seems to hurt things between us and may cause damage to our relationship that neither of us want.
[02:04] <Togas> but enough of all that. ... thanks for coming, OctX
[02:04] <Togas> feel free to hang out and chit chat if you want
[02:04] <OctavianX> No Problem. I have too much time during late nights...
[02:05] <Togas> we have a few people like that over here as well....
[02:05] * Togas AHEMS and motions to Trip.
[02:05] * MasterZen AHEMS and motions to the entire FAM team...
[02:05] * OctavianX makes a mental note not to visit any links provided by Trip...
[02:05] <Trip>
[02:07] <Togas> if you see a link with "goats" in it ... STAY FAR FAR AWAY FROM IT!
[02:08] <nye> have a good evening, octavian. i must go
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[02:09] <MasterZen> he left to check out the goats link
[02:11] <BigFree> lol
[02:11] <OctavianX>
[02:11] <BigFree> that **** is sick
[02:11] <BigFree> I will never go there again
[02:11] <BigFree> never never never
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[02:09] <MasterZen> he left to check out the goats link
[02:11] <BigFree> lol
[02:11] <OctavianX>
[02:11] <BigFree> that **** is sick
[02:11] <BigFree> I will never go there again
[02:11] <BigFree> never never never
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