warpus
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You know, the Bible could have easily started with "Old man yells at cloud"
Are Science and Religion Incompatible?
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You know, the Bible could have easily started with "Old man yells at cloud"
Tycho Brahe
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Tycho
Also, the whole "written hundreds years later" is but another speculation, this time totally unproved, just to deny religion.
Dude, be more critical when it comes to scoffing, you might actually be wrong.
(Preemptive answer - I'm not scoffing anything, I'm doubting and demanding proofs. Scoffing is neither, it's just laughing in a trolling way.)
Also, the whole "written hundreds years later" is but another speculation, this time totally unproved, just to deny religion.
Dude, be more critical when it comes to scoffing, you might actually be wrong.
(Preemptive answer - I'm not scoffing anything, I'm doubting and demanding proofs. Scoffing is neither, it's just laughing in a trolling way.)
We have no idea when it was first written. All we have is information of when it was first credibly preserved. They're different things.
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Well, as of me, I consider the "all nation was there" as a credible proof also for WHEN, which is easily derived from the text.
Again, if we accept the very event, all details are more than explained and outlined.
And if we don't, we can assume that I wrote it yesterday.
Well, as of me, I consider the "all nation was there" as a credible proof also for WHEN, which is easily derived from the text.
Again, if we accept the very event, all details are more than explained and outlined.
And if we don't, we can assume that I wrote it yesterday.
Ziggy Stardust
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The most unlikely outcome has come through for me! It's a miracle. That's the second one this week. Yesterday I got home without being killed in traffic.
Civ, if you really think you can have science without checks, I really don't know what to say to you any more. As I didn't yesterday.
You know.
When you wanted to "break my face" because of my scoffing
Scoffing!
This is so false it makes my head hurt.
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Zig
You'd better stop watching cartoons, where animals, evolved or not yet, alike, can only say their names.
Also, exactly my point:
You can't call something "science", if you can't check it by the human factor aka "personally" (for ANYONE).
Dude, do we even understand each other???
Leo
Oh, yeah? And WHY???
You'd better stop watching cartoons, where animals, evolved or not yet, alike, can only say their names.
Also, exactly my point:
You can't call something "science", if you can't check it by the human factor aka "personally" (for ANYONE).
Dude, do we even understand each other???
Leo
Oh, yeah? And WHY???
As was pointed out before some believe that God is all there realy is (by Aurobindo):
All mind and life on earth are the progressive manifestation
of a Spirit or Being that has involved itself in Matter and is
slowly evolving in Matter, against the inconscient resistance of
a first rigid material self-formation and under its conditions, its
own secret powers and nature. In the Inconscience in which it
has involved itself, these powers, this nature seem not only to
be hidden but contradicted; cast into their own opposites they
emerge with difficulty and labour at first in flickers and faint
glimpses, then growing into a better but still much diminished
figure. But the evolution cannot be considered at an end until
these diminished figures growing more and more free, developed,
powerful arrive at their own complete fulfilment, revelation of
their truth, native perfection, beauty and greatness. This is the
aim of terrestrial existence-to reveal in Matter, in Time-Space,
in figure and body what was once self-held only in an eternal
unembodied self and spirit.
All mind and life on earth are the progressive manifestation
of a Spirit or Being that has involved itself in Matter and is
slowly evolving in Matter, against the inconscient resistance of
a first rigid material self-formation and under its conditions, its
own secret powers and nature. In the Inconscience in which it
has involved itself, these powers, this nature seem not only to
be hidden but contradicted; cast into their own opposites they
emerge with difficulty and labour at first in flickers and faint
glimpses, then growing into a better but still much diminished
figure. But the evolution cannot be considered at an end until
these diminished figures growing more and more free, developed,
powerful arrive at their own complete fulfilment, revelation of
their truth, native perfection, beauty and greatness. This is the
aim of terrestrial existence-to reveal in Matter, in Time-Space,
in figure and body what was once self-held only in an eternal
unembodied self and spirit.
Tycho Brahe
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True.
Quite apart from the well-known fact that a sizeable proportion of "intelligent design" proponents are YECs, the ongoing "debate" with Civ2 is just the same as with Classical Hero, just in worse English. Absolute truth is invested in the Bible, so all other objections to scientific theory (such as not being there) don't apply to God's inspired word. It's utterly pointless.
Not at all, unfortunately.
First, judging from this link you were indeed referring to the Theory of Relativity. In that case, your claim doesn't make any sense at all. Relativity sucks at explaining events on a microscopic ("particle") scale: it's just as unable to explain electron orbits as Newtonian Gravity, for example. That's what quantum mechanics is for (a field where Einstein also contributed, which is why I asked). General Relativity is actually the to-go theory for large scales, and it has replaced Newtonian Gravity because it offers a more succint model of what gravity actually is and Newtonian Mechanics because it does take the effects of approaching the speed of light into account.
Bottom line: if you want to appear smart by tossing big names around, do it right.
Also, even ignoring the fact that your example was exceptionally bad, what were you getting at with the "theories supersede each other" angle at all?
Ziggy Stardust
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Have I mentioned you not understanding science and how it all works? Anyway, just to be sure, you don't understand how science works.
No. I use definitions and refer to reality. That's where the disconnect happens.
But I tried Ringo. I tried real hard to be the shepherd. Bloody sheep kept telling me: "You can't see gravity, so it doesn't exist" and all jumped off a cliff
Bottomline: incompatible with science.
You're religious aren't you? You need to counterweight the madness displayed. Bring some sanity from the religious point of view. How does your personal religion and science cooperate?
Tycho Brahe
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I've been looking on wikipedia, but I can't figure out how old the oldest copy of the book of exodus is? One you can put your hands on and check with your own eyes.
The Dead Sea Scrolls, I think, are the oldest actual copies. When people say that the Torah was re-compiled in 500 BCE, they're using additional evidence.
warpus
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You should really read up on what science and the scientific method are, cause you are clueless.
It would make your posts a lot more informed and far less silly if you educate yourself first.
Well, I'm not regularly religious, but my particular brand of Protestant Christianity teaches that Jesus's life demonstrated various moral guidelines for living a healthy and spiritual life. Other than the concept that everything good is a reflection of God's divine creation, it makes no pretence at YEC or anything like that. Scientific and medical knowledge is ultimately useless for understanding God, but there's certainly no conflict between God and modern science.
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