Thanx for enlightening me , I'm impressed by your insights. May I ask where you found these 'clear' proof that QA was poor? I'm sorry if you encountered harsh CTD Bugs, dead ends stopping you from finishing the game, utterly broken mechanics (not exploits, broken stuff. Exploits generally are relatively easy to fix later on) . I'm sure my reflexive behaviour has it's source in all the other lesser minded posts in this forum so please bear with me! To me many people don't appreciate the effort and contribution this game clearly received. Care to check the devastating, hateful posts and threads from the first weeks after CiV Vanilla release, where clearly many many bigger issues and problems occured? No? Thought so. . . Compared to CiV Vanilla we are having a big party here and Ingame! P. S.: The Buglist on this Forum has been set up in the first days after release and is very alive, I contributed quite some Bugs there myself. How about doing some constructive thing and report there instead making some accusations pretty easy to turn down as ridiculous!