Are you a Christian if you hate God?

[Angst]

If you accept that God is your God, your Father, omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient, from whence you come, through evolution or not...

Are you legitimately an Abrahamist if you recognize Him and his covenant, but denounce his deeds - be they literal or metaphorical - in the Old Testament?

Are you good if you bring yourself into his justice and become hellbound, by denying to do something you recognize as cruel and evil - eg to kill your own innocent son, like how Abraham was brought to kill Isaac?

Are you good if you bring good to the world, but despise his creation of Man as a defaultly violent predator, bringing the apocalypse unto itself by destroying its planetary habitat?

And as Man was created in His picture - he somehow molded us - if we hate Him and his human condition, do we hate ourselves?

 

[classical_hero]

What you are forgetting that God first created us as innocent, meaning that we hadn't made our choice yet. It was when Adam ate of the fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil did sin enter into this world. The fall of man is an important thing to remember since it meant we now have a broken relationship with God nd as a result of sin it brought death and destruction to the whole universe.

About Abraham and Isaac, this was a test of faith for both. At this time Isaac was a grown man and knew about the promises of God that through Abraham that all nations will be blessed and that as Abraham and Isaac made the journey Abraham said that God will provide a sacrifice, which he did. The whole point of the story was two fold, to show the faith Abraham and Isaac, and as a picture of what Christ would do, be a substitutionary sacrifice for all humans.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Hating the Abrahamic god requires accepting that god as real. This doesn't necessarily make you a Christian, as you could be considered Muslim or Jewish based on belief in that same god. None of those faiths allow for hatred of the designated god, so you would not be considered a part of any of those faiths. Since belief in that god also carries along belief in Satan, and vice versa, satanists also fall into the category of believers in the Abrahamic god, and hatred of that god would fit in better in that faith than the others.

So if the only defining religious characteristic is hatred of the Abrahamic god I think you would be a satanist. Not necessarily an orthodox satanist, since you are absent most of the practices of that faith.

 

[Tahuti]

Christianity, Judaism and Islam are general belief systems. Since God is a part of the belief system, recognising its existence or even its significance as a concept (which is the case Christian Atheism), it doesn't necessarily preclude any dystheist interpretations. In fact, if there are Christians and Jews who believe that the Nietzschean claim about God being dead is literally true, what is stopping you from being a dystheist?

We could argue that most Satanists (both in the theistic as well as in the LeVeyan sense) adhere to Christian mythology.

 

[El_Machinae]

Well, I am not sure about 'hate', part of being Christian is trying to love God. I know people I'd describe as Christian, but who believe they're going to Hell though

 

[Berzerker]

What you are forgetting that God first created us as innocent, meaning that we hadn't made our choice yet.

Ignorant, not innocent... and if we were ignorant when we made that choice, it aint a sin.

It was when Adam ate of the fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil did sin enter into this world.

Where does Genesis say that? The serpent said they would be like God knowing good and evil. And when God reports what happened to his friends God says behold they are like us knowing good and evil. Evil did not begin when Adam and Eve were given knowledge.

The fall of man is an important thing to remember since it meant we now have a broken relationship with God nd as a result of sin it brought death and destruction to the whole universe.

What Adam and Eve did has no effect on your relationship with God. If it does, your God doesn't deserve your friendship. And Genesis is not about the universe, just our neck of the woods.

About Abraham and Isaac, this was a test of faith for both. At this time Isaac was a grown man and knew about the promises of God that through Abraham that all nations will be blessed and that as Abraham and Isaac made the journey Abraham said that God will provide a sacrifice, which he did. The whole point of the story was two fold, to show the faith Abraham and Isaac, and as a picture of what Christ would do, be a substitutionary sacrifice for all humans.

Kill your son to prove your loyalty

sounds like something that punk king in Game of Thrones would do

 

[JollyRoger]

I think that many people that think they hate the Muslim God think themselves as Christians.

 

[PhroX]

About Abraham and Isaac, this was a test of faith for both. At this time Isaac was a grown man and knew about the promises of God that through Abraham that all nations will be blessed and that as Abraham and Isaac made the journey Abraham said that God will provide a sacrifice, which he did. The whole point of the story was two fold, to show the faith Abraham and Isaac, and as a picture of what Christ would do, be a substitutionary sacrifice for all humans.

The problem of claiming it was a "test of faith" is that God, being omniscient, already knows how faithful they are (or aren't). And thus he put both Abraham and Issac through serious psychological torture for no reason....

 

[Domen]

Christians who hate God are "Germanists":

http://www.ihr.org/books/kaufman/perish.shtml

Germanism had its birth in Austria as an organized movement founded and headed by an Austrian statesman, one Schoenerer, in 1878. Its activity was rather limited in scope until 1898 when Schoenerer joined with Hasse; from that time on the Pan-German League in Berlin became the head of the movement in Austria, and it proceeded at once to establish permanent bases of operation in that country. First a plan of attack was decided upon. Hasse and Schoenerer agreed that if Germany was ever to rule over Austria the latter country must first be forced to break with Rome (Roman Catholicism). In order to achieve this objective the leaders decided upon a roundabout course of action. They therefore first created an artificially stimulated pseudo-religious revivalist movement having anti-Semitism as its primary and immediate purpose. The German Hasse found some renegade, so-called Catholics (though such men were no more Catholics in spirit than those men of any religion who, hiding behind a pulpit of a church, rail against God and preach hatred and intolerance) members of the leading Catholic Party, who agree to act as leaders of such a movement. It was not long thereafter that a frightful wave of anti-Semitic persecution began to sweep over Austria, continuing unabated in intensity, until Schoenerer and Hasse felt that a sufficiently high degree of agitation and terrorism had been reached. Thereupon they turned their efforts against the Catholic Party and in turn, started a rabid anti-Catholic, "free-from-Rome" movement of their own, Schoenerer declaring that "the chains which tie us to a Church hostile to Germanism must be broken!" The "No Popery" and anti-Catholic agitation was stimulated by Hasse and Schoenerer through their introduction into Austria of numerous pseudo-evangelical, free-booter German clergymen who were liberally paid, with money and liquor, to rail against the Catholics.

 

[Angst]

I have only five minutes so I can't answer much but I'll take answering classical_hero as a chance to extrapolate a bit.

What you are forgetting that God first created us as innocent, meaning that we hadn't made our choice yet. It was when Adam ate of the fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil did sin enter into this world. The fall of man is an important thing to remember since it meant we now have a broken relationship with God nd as a result of sin it brought death and destruction to the whole universe.

God creating us with the chance to choose vice is dooming us with the chance to choose vice. As our creator, He can not be excused for creating us as we are, then dooming us for what we are, neither for creating us as we are, then dooming us for what we are to become. Omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent. If we were not vicious predators before we ate from the Tree, He made us vicious predators by allowing us to eat from the Tree, even if he told us not to; it was one of his many codependent "tests". He could simply have created our behavior better. As is, we're His entertainment, and His cruelty and faulty design shows throughout the Old Testament and His wicked designs.

 

[warpus]

A Christian is someone who in some way follows Christ.

You can hate God and follow Christ.

Hypothetical example: I hate my parents, yet I accept their hegemony and understand my place.

 

[PhroX]

A Christian is someone who in some way follows Christ.

You can hate God and follow Christ.

Hypothetical example: I hate my parents, yet I accept their hegemony and understand my place.

Isn't hating God yet following Jesus basically what the Gnostics did?

 

[Tahuti]

Isn't hating God yet following Jesus basically what the Gnostics did?

Gnostics have a different conception of god. They usually involve a certain goddess known as Sofia, which they contrast with the Demiurge, their for god as he appeared in the Old Testament, which they blame for creation of the earth.