Comparing gender identity to calling yourself a religious head of state proves it's definitely not me understanding English.Actually I think it just proves you don't understand English (or that you're just completely misrepresenting again). If you claim to be the Pope and I deny that you are, I'm not denying your existence am I? Nor am I debating your right to exist. I'm not even necessarily debating your right to claim to be something that I don't think you are, merely saying that I don't agree that you are this specific thing you are claiming. You have to play rather transparent semantic games to claim that the one thing is equivalent to the other.
I haven't learned much about chromosomes in my adult life. If you have a Y you're always male, right? Some males have two Y's which gives them bigger balls or something & generally more masculine. What's the problem with "chromosomal arguments"?@Lemon Merchant
Additionally, chromosomal arguments are flawed as XX / XY is a simplistic understanding of that particular subject (that most of us are taught in school, and therefore appropriate for that level but not beyond that).
I haven't learned much about chromosomes in my adult life. If you have a Y you're always male, right? Some males have two Y's which gives them bigger balls or something & generally more masculine. What's the problem with "chromosomal arguments"?
I read through it. How prevalent are the abnormalities he's talking about? As one user said : If a human is born without legs we do not use this as evidence for the claim that humans are not bipedal and that there is a spectrum of “legedness”
Once again, it seems that you suddenly lose your ability to notice nuances when these nuances don't suit you.Okay, and so what? The goalposts have evidently been moved because the whole point of this discussion for me has been whether or not you should use people's preferred pronouns...if you agree that should be done then what, really, is the point of contention?
Because you don't want to as it would prove you wrong ?Yes...it's so simple, every thing is the same as every other thing...why didn't I see it before
Just as an aside : "male" and "female" are not based on if you have an XX or XY genome (that wouldn't work on others species which might completely lack said genes, would it ?). It's based on if you have the organ with the potential ability to fertilize or the organ with the potential ability to be fertilized.It is also possible, separate from transgenderedness, to present as anatomically male despite being XX, and as anatomically female while being XY. Staking your "sex is objective" flag on chromosomes would not really be viable.
Argument to absurdity is not a fallacyIt's also a classic argument to absurdity, so hopefully red_elk comes back to take you to task on that.
Maybe I meant an appeal to an extreme, I always get them confused. Sadly, you were more interested in trying to correct me than call out obviously fallacious logic.Argument to absurdity is not a fallacy
This all comes down to the question whether we choose definitions of "man" and "woman" on political correctness grounds, aiming to reduce minorities grievances.
Personally, I think it's better to use separate words for them, such as transmen and transwomen, because IMO distinction between them and biological men/women is important.
Sexual reassignment surgery isn't "mutilation".
If you've got a penis though and identify as female don't be to surprised if females get upset if you're using their toilets.
I have seen females here in men's bathroom s and no one cared so I suppose it's up to who is in the bathroom at any given time.
Personally I wouldn't run off to the cops or anything as I'm not offended/care enough etc to do anything about it. You gotta go you gotta go.
Cutting off body parts to me is even if it's skillfully done. Cutting your penis off isn't natural, I'm somewhat sympathetic to intersex people who decide to have surgery later in life.
I'll do my best to be nice to them, but conceptually it's very foreign and alien thought process to do that.
Fairly liberal on most things, gay marriage sure, socialist economics fine. Legalize pot knock yourself out.
It's not something that effects my everyday life though so for the most part don't care that much one way or another. I don't see the point of being cruel to anyone.
May also be a bit of uncanny valley effect.
You can also describe nearly any surgical procedure on the planet in gruesome terms for shock value if you set your mind to it. Christ, the things they did to my wife's head to fix her deviated septum can easily be spun as mutilation, destruction, torture, etc. Choosing to do that in this one specific case is um, bad not good.