Are you Politically Correct?

[Arwon]

I've never heard it used in any form by anyone IRL.

Ok. I have a bunch. Cheers.

 

[Narz]

Ok. I have a bunch. Cheers.

Hmm, in what context?

 

[Arwon]

Hmm, in what context?

Contexts where it's needed as a contrastive? What you're basically saying is you don't know any trans people, and have never paid attention to or discussed trans issues with anyone familiar with them. Which, okay? Good for you?

 

[Lexicus]

The point of the joke was making fun of how racist and stupid black face is.

Yeah but still it's more just like can you not

 

[rah]

Contexts where it's needed as a contrastive? What you're basically saying is you don't know any trans people, and have never paid attention to or discussed trans issues with anyone familiar with them. Which, okay? Good for you?

So shaming is now the answer. Good for you.

 

[Manfred Belheim]

I see you edited your last post. This highlights something interesting.

You added: "That is the fairness issue. I have no problem referring to them by their preferred term after the let me know what that is. I would expect the same respect."

Combined with your follow-up reply, I can only assume that you feel trans people are just making up their preferences, and you're willing to "entertain" their proclivities so long as they're willing to entertain yours.

This is fundamentally corrupt (and stupid), because you not liking to be called cis is silly because you are cis. You actively identify as cis. You fit the definition. You're cis because you aren't trans. You were born male, raised male, and feel as though you're male. You're cis. The only way you can not be cis is if you were trans. Are you?

This is in stark contrast with what trans people go through, where they transition or are in the process of transitioning to their identified gender and would simply like to no longer be referred to by their deadname or by the incorrect gender. They find it offensive because you are taking what they are, choosing for yourself to reject that, and then wielding what they were as a weapon against them. You make the decision to actively refuse the foundation of what and who they are, thereby negating their value and presence in society and their communities.

Their preference is to not be mislabeled and erased. Your preference is to not hear a word you don't like because of... reasons.

The two situations are not equivalent in any way.

They're entirely equivalent in that one person is saying "I don't like to be addressed that way" and the other person is saying "well I've decided it's correct to address you that way and so therefore I will, because my right to express myself the way I want to trumps your feelings". There's an argument to be made for either stance of course, but they are pretty much equivalent.

 

[Arwon]

So shaming is now the answer. Good for you.

Weird thing for you to feel ashamed for tbh, but if it bothers you, you could work to expose yourself to more. We are all masters of our own Content here on this cursed medium.

 

[rah]

Shaming to excuse your shaming. Precious.

 

[Manfred Belheim]

Y'all are so boring. No one uses the word "cis" IRL

I saw someone IRL with it on a tshirt once. It was a bit weird, like the internet had come to life and was walking around.

 

[Broken_Erika]

Shaming to excuse your shaming. Precious.

You should be ashamed of shaming his shaming to excuse his shaming attempt on your shame!

 

[Lexicus]

Shaming to excuse your shaming. Precious.

You are just projecting an attempt to shame you where none occurred. It is strange because the way you are responding in exactly the stereotypical way ascribed by the right to the left, suggests to me the whole thing was projection....not that we didn't all know that already

Shaming to excuse your shaming. Precious.

Hmm, well, so much for personal responsibility

 

[Arwon]

I saw someone IRL with it on a tshirt once. It was a bit weird, like the internet had come to life and was walking around.

Funnily enough, the main context in which I hear terms like cisgendered is in talking about sport, so now who's the huge internet dweeb

 

[Manfred Belheim]

I don't know. Who was the huge internet dweeb previously?

 

[rah]

You are just projecting an attempt to shame you where none occurred. It is strange because the way you are responding in exactly the stereotypical way ascribed by the right to the left, suggests to me the whole thing was projection....not that we didn't all know that already

Hmm, well, so much for personal responsibility

If you couldn't see the condescension in that reply, then I can't help you.
You can think what you want. This whole thing started because a group of people where fighting to be called what they decided and not what someone else did.
Is it too much to ask the same in return?

 

[Lexicus]

Is it too much to ask the same in return?

Again, do you really believe it is the same thing? Really really? Really really really? Is calling someone the n-word the same as calling someone a cracker? Really?

 

[Manfred Belheim]

I'm pretty sure the argument before was just about common courtesy, and "why wouldn't you just go along with someone's wishes, unless you want to be rude?". Now suddenly you have to demonstrate why you deserve to have your wishes gone along with, or why you deserve common courtesy, by means of comparison to groups that have suffered historic oppression. Interesting shift that.

 

[rah]

No it's not the same, but whether it's rude or not, is exactly the same.

 

[Lexicus]

I'm not convinced that the word is rude because you didn't know about it until two hours ago or whatever

 

[Farm Boy]

Rah, you're losing a key assertion, maybe? Remember that getting somebody's pronoun wrong is asserted to be violence. Violence does not need to be intentional. Intent is aggravating, but not definitional. So if you treat it as a simple call for equality, of giving and of earning respect and belief in each other, then that is to put your old ass white male notions of politeness on even ground as violence, an intensely privileged position . So it approximately seems to go. How respect generates from there, I don't know. The throne seems too high.

 

[rah]

@Lex It's not the word it's the preference. I've already said I didn't know the word and I wouldn't be offended but am concerned that people think I don't have the right to be.
But while we agree on some things there are many we don't. I'll leave it at that.