Arioch's Analyst Thread

[Thormodr]

I don't think anything expires in civ 5 except the french UA.

I sincerely hope that isn't true. That certainly wouldn't help stop the rumours of the game being "dumbed down".

 

[PinkHammurabi]

I sincerely hope that isn't true. That certainly wouldn't help stop the rumours of the game being "dumbed down".

Still on this? By and large those "dumbed down" rumors have been squashed, and a lack of items becoming obsolete wouldn't relate to being dumbed down at all.

 

[King Jason]

I sincerely hope that isn't true. That certainly wouldn't help stop the rumours of the game being "dumbed down".

How does lack of wonder expiration equate to dumbing down the game? If anything I'd argue the complete opposite.

However, I'm not going to.

 

[snipperrabbit!!]

I sincerely hope that isn't true. That certainly wouldn't help stop the rumours of the game being "dumbed down".

Don't worry, our bonus is insane ! People just don't realise it. Firaxis needed to nerf it somehow. That's funny ! Just at the point our culture spread to the world (via colonialism, romanticism, ...etc...).

 

[Ahriman]

WHAT. That's insane!

True dat. Wow..... madness.

Add kiting archers and you are basically invulnerable to infantry.

Situational, but awesome.

Situational? Yeah, the situation being that someone attacks you. I think thats a pretty safe bet.

Or have the Haudenosaunee (what they should be referred to as instead of Iroquois (boo Firaxis!)) build the Great Wall themselves. Slow enemy units plus quick movement through the forests makes for fun ambush hi-jinks.

Maybe... but I think the kiting archers is more powerful, and archers can't shoot through forest tiles, so the synergy is not great.

I don't think anything expires in civ 5 except the french UA.

If the great wall is slowing my giant death robot down, we know something is very wrong.

In general I don't think things should expire, but the Great Wall strikes me as a potential exception.

Could it be that we've misread it? Maybe it only applies to barbarians, not other civs? Do we have a screenshot?

 

[dpaajones]

I think that's a pretty cool effect. You can put an archer 2 hexes away from a Roman Legion, shoot him and still have time to stick your tongue out and say "Nahnahnah, you can't reach me!"

but don't be expecting Englands Ship of Line to slow down, its gonna mash you up.

Actually I'm now thinking what it would be like playing as England and building the Great Wall... longbowmen would own within English territory and whilst an attacking (land) force would be bogged down as they come into English territory, English ships would storm out of the territory at full speed out-flanking the enemy units/able to counter-attack the enemy's territory in quick time!

 

[Algeroth]

In the multiplayer.it video are pyramids for the first time giving a culrure. Also, the picture aftecompleting them zooms out.

the GW effect is on land units only.


PinkHammurabi: No, sorry, i can't see it.

 

[DeepQantas]

Diplomacy objective again:
http://multiplayer.it/immagini/sid-meiers-civilization-v-per-pc/320300/

You have: 1
Total: 12
Needed: 7

# of Civs: 4
# of City States: 8

So the goal... depends on game size? Or is undergoing tweaking?

 

[Ahriman]

You probably need 2/3 of the votes. Easy.

 

[Thormodr]

How does lack of wonder expiration equate to dumbing down the game? If anything I'd argue the complete opposite.

However, I'm not going to.

Ok... So if Russia invades China in 2010, the Great Wall is going to slow them down?

Certain gameplay elements can be abstracted but this is one of them where common

sense should apply. Certain wonders should expire.

I hope Firaxis isn't treading down the "Players hate to have negative things happen to them so let's not have wonders expire" path.

 

[PinkHammurabi]

In the multiplayer.it video are pyramids for the first time giving a culrure. Also, the picture aftecompleting them zooms out.

the GW effect is on land units only.


PinkHammurabi: No, sorry, i can't see it.

Can't see what?

 

[Calouste]

Each citizen produces one science beaker/point simply by existing.

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Also, not sure if this has been mentioned or noticed on previous screenshots but according to the below screenshot, mine-able resources can appear on flatland and would be in direct contrast to "mines can only be built on hills". You can see iron on grassland here:

Spoiler :

Only a minor thing, but whatever.

One thing we are going to get used to is that improvements now give a lower increase to the values of the hex than they did in Civ4, and resources give lower bonusses as well.

For example, a mined hill now give 3, as opposed to 4 in Civ4.
Wheat only adds +1 to a hex, and another +1 when farmed.

Working unimproved tiles doesn't seem to be relatively as bad as it was in Civ4, so I expect people will be running fewer workers.

 

[Algeroth]

Modern great scientist:

PinkHammurabi: The iron on flatland

 

[King Jason]

Ok... So if Russia invades China in 2010, the Great Wall is going to slow them down?

Certain gameplay elements can be abstracted but this is one of them where common

sense should apply. Certain wonders should expire.

I hope Firaxis isn't treading down the "Players hate to have negative things happen to them so let's not have wonders expire" path.

Sorry, I thought you were talking about dumbing down the gameplay. Not straying from realism being dumb. I misunderstood.

 

[moysturfurmer]

What's that Great Scientist supposed to be sitting in? Some sort of blue velvet bong-mobile?

 

[PinkHammurabi]

Modern great scientist:

PinkHammurabi: The iron on flatland

Huh? That's not the picture I linked.

 

[Thormodr]

Sorry, I thought you were talking about dumbing down the gameplay. Not straying from realism being dumb. I misunderstood.

I should have been a little more clear I guess. Streamlining the game and shielding players from ever having negative experiences in the game strikes me as the "everyone's a winner so everyone gets a gold medal" type of thing. That is one of my worst fears for the game. The game itself appears to be sufficiently complex for myself and most people.

So not as much "dumbing down" as "babying the player".

 

[King Jason]

Working unimproved tiles doesn't seem to be relatively as bad as it was in Civ4, so I expect people will be running fewer workers.

relatively as bad? It's all about opportunity costs my friend and if a hill generates 2 production without a mine, and 3 production with, that's a 50% increase in the output of that tile and one would still never want to leave tiles unworked.

Further, everything is relative to costs. Tile output may have gone down, but costs have been cited several times as going up, not down as well. Which means it's even more important to never settle for working unimproved tiles.

 

[Tomice]

Is the great scientist Steven Hawking?

 

[Algeroth]

Unused from sweden. http://www.gamereactor.fi/kuvankatselu/?textid=77612&id=220578&sid=d81594db1a2465143fbbe8edd13aa20b

the interesting screenshots

The porcelain tower

Spoiler :

Samurai

Spoiler :

Science victory (pretty lame text IMO)

Spoiler :

Conquest? victory

Spoiler :

New pictures for Tradition, Liberty (now giving more sense in the FreedomXLiberty debate) and Order SP. Autocracy picture was enhanced with either splashes of blood or flower petals, i can't tell.

Spoiler :

Joseph Conrad as modern GA

Spoiler :

Edit: Uh, the links doesn't work. If you will go to the gallery, it will be fine.