Arminius?

[Swein Forkbeard]

Does anybody think that Hermann/Arminius could be a German leader?

 

[Mack_Jagger]

For sure! He had a short but booming career! What traits then? Sneaky and aggressive?

 

[Gladi]

Bright day
A) Cherusci =/= Germany
B) Marobudos would be better.

 

[Jan H]

Does anybody think that Hermann/Arminius could be a German leader?

Maybe he could be a leader of a "Germanic" Civ

 

[GoodSarmatian]

No, Germany has too many leaders who actually ruled all of Germany even without potential HRE leaders (Otto the Great, Friedrich Barbarossa...).

A third leader for Germany could have been Wilhelm II (aggressive/organised) or Ludwig Erhard (financial/organised or financial/industrious).

 

[Willowmound]

The German tribes of 9AD are as similar to modern day Garmany as the inuits are to modern Canadians.

Rubbish. Modern Germans are direct descendents of those early Germanic tribes. Modern Canadians are a mix of English, French and Eskimo.

 

[anandus]

Arminius is already in civ4, he's a Great General

 

[Traitorfish]

Modern Canadians are a mix of English, French and Eskimo.

Firstly, there's more than just English and French in there- there are a lot (a lot) of Canadians with Scottish or Irish ancestry.
Secondly, very few Canadians have the slightest Native ancestry at all- the pattern of European colonisation of the New World was extermination, not assimilation.

 

[Willowmound]

I was simplifying to make my point.

I brought in the Eskimos because Lord Olleus did.

What you say is correct.

 

[Carver]

Rubbish. Modern Germans are direct descendents of those early Germanic tribes. Modern Canadians are a mix of English, French and Eskimo.

The point was not about genetics; it was more about culture and administration (as Lord Olleus has said).

 

[Willowmound]

What's the use-by date on culture?

 

[Frimlin]

What's the use-by date on culture?

About as malleable and open as the Civ definition of civilisation.

 

[Willowmound]

Exactly.

..

 

[Willowmound]

When you realise that you're never gonna use it anyway, and throw it out of the fridge to make room for that all new culture you've just bought

*snort*

...

 

[Willowmound]

I thought you were making a joke. But then you were just being boring.

Oh well.

So tell me when the use-by date is. When did these two cultures switch?

 

[Willowmound]

I see this as the evolution of a culture. Or as a tree growing. The roots are still there.

 

[Saim]

If there was a 'Germanic' civ, including Germany in that would be like including England in it (both modern Germanic people).

In short:
German =/= Germanic.

English people are mostly decendents from Anglo-Saxons (a mixing of 3 Germanic tribes), with probably a little bit of Brythonic and possibly Gaelic blood.

 

[Willowmound]

Of course.

Scandinavians are Germanic too. As were the Franks who pushed the Celtic and Roman peoples from what is now France.

These things are never straight forward. But Germany is still the closest culturally and geographically to old Germania.

 

[Willowmound]

Interesting side note:

The word 'German' is a Latin corruption of the word heermann*. This word means 'warrior' (heer = army, mann = man) and was what the Germans that the Romans initially met called themselves. These would have been warbands along the frontier.

Cool, yeah?

*spelling might be off

 

[Traitorfish]

Scandinavians are Germanic too. As were the Franks who pushed the Celtic and Roman peoples from what is now France.

Actually, the Celts weren't pushed from France, they were just assimilated into the Frankish state. The nobility was Frankish, the peasantry was Romano-Gallic and the stuff in between was a mixture. Same thing happened in England with the Anglo-Saxons and the Romano-British, and most British people today still have quite a lot of Celtic ancestry- it's roughly 50/50 between Celtic and Germanic (Anglo-Saxon/Norse) in much of the country (although obviously in a areas like Wales the proportions are more towards the Celtic).