nonconformist
Miserable
Yep.Sidhe said:Jimi as in Hendrix. Did he dodge the draft?
If you pretend to be gay, the army discharges you.
Yep.Sidhe said:Jimi as in Hendrix. Did he dodge the draft?
Rik Meleet said:I understand that's the military way.
Might be time for a change though. I completley understand that when your platoon is attacked you do follow orders immediately without hesitation. This man is not directly putting anyone in danger; he isn't even outside the USA. He has a problem with the legalty of his mission and he (apparently) doesn't mind to go anywhere non-Iraq related. Why on earth is it so hard to honor his beliefs, political point of view and morals and let him serve on Diego Garcia for instance ???
Nobody is helped by him courtmarshalled, jailed or killed. And nobody certainly is helped by him fleeing to Canada, cutting his finger off or going to Iraq where his inactivity or his turning of sides might actually be hurtful.
What is there to gain in not honoring his opinion?
Come on; it's the 21st century.
Yeah, Jimi got out of serving in 'Nam by acting very aroused around other soldiers, especially in the showersSidhe said:Cool. Reminds me of Stripes the movie "we're not gay but we're willing to learn"
Joining the army voluntarily is not smart in my eyes, so even though he should have known before he signed up that he could be send to an unfriendly area; he may not have had the brainpower.
Evil Tyrant said:@Cuivienen: Legally, you are right, it isn't a war. But practically speaking, it either is a war, or it isn't. All the words and jargon in the world cannot change it's nature.
MobBoss said:http://www.komotv.com/stories/43774.htm
Can we say "Attention Who**"? My prediction is once this is all said and done, this man wont see sunlight for a good length of time.
MobBoss said:http://www.komotv.com/stories/43774.htm
Can we say "Attention Who**"? My prediction is once this is all said and done, this man wont see sunlight for a good length of time.
capslock said:@ Rik Me-fag
Your views on the military make me
I'm sure there are lots of guys in the military that would make you seem like the one not smart
Nanocyborgasm said:Maybe, but it's still his right to refuse. Blind obedience is a convenient excuse to commit atrocity. What was the most common excuse in the Nuremburg Trials? "I was following orders."
tomsnowman123 said:Well, as wrong as the war is, there is nothing in this war that hasn't happened in any other war, and he was commanded to be deployed. He got himself in this mess.
Still, I applaud his efforts of peaceful rebellion, we need more people like him who will stand up for their beliefs. I support him fully, too bad he can't get deployed smewhere else.
MobBoss said:Is it just me or do I sense a iminent beating with the ban stick coming? Let me see...(rolls magic 8 ball around)....YES INDEEDY.
MobBoss said:Once more...you dont have a "right" to disobey legal orders. None. El Zippo. Nada. Non-existant. ZERO.
And blind obedience to unlawful orders (i.e. atrocities) gets you about as much sympathy today as it did in Nuremburg.....ie...where is the rope?
blackheart said:That's where the slippery rope is though, in determining which orders are legal and which are not.
MobBoss said:Not at all, its very easy to be honest.
Order a. Deploy with your unit to Iraq. Legal order.
Order b. Patrol this area and follow the Rules of Engagement. Legal order.
Order c. I dont care how you feel; shoot the kid in the head!!..Illegal order.
Get it?
There is what happens legally, and there is what actually happens. Let us say for example that I were to murder someone, and due to my diabolical cunning(or weasel lawyers, whichever you find more believable) I were to be found not guilty. Does this make me any less guilty? Legally, I am innocent, but in truth I am a murderer. Calling me innocent does not change that I am a murderer, it merely means that the legal system is identifying me by the wrong label. An undeclared war is much the same in my book. It is just as much a war as any other, only it "officially" does not exist.Cuivienen said:And legally is what matters. You can't make it legally a war by calling it a war. Argumentum ad nauseam is a logical fallacy for good reason.
blackheart said:Keyword here: illegal war