Art of the Possible

[ycleptic]

Thanks! I'll take Columbia then, and begin diplomacy once Immaculate sends me what's happened so far.

 

[JohannaK]

@ycleptic: ColOmbia. O. Sorry, it's a pet peeve of mine.

 

[Immaculate]

Thanks! I'll take Columbia then, and begin diplomacy once Immaculate sends me what's happened so far.

I sent you a private message (top right hand corner if you've not used it before) that outlines US-Colombian diplomacy to date. I've CCed EQandCivFanatic so that he can provide comment if you like.

Cheers and welcome,
I.

 

[Blaze Injun]

Hey,

To: The Great Glorious French Empire
From: The Korean Empire

Thanks for all the concern. First the Japanese-Korean Treaty of Friendship. Then with the Treaty of Richmond. But without your explaining those concerns Korea can take no action to address them.


To: United States of America
From: The Korean Empire

Korea did what she had to to stay Free. You know that word. You have fought for that word and sang to the world of Freedom. If you were really worried about the Treaty of Richmond you would have stepped up. You would have raised your voice against the heavy handed Japanese demands of the Japanese-Korean Treaty of Friendship.

Many nations missed the first draft of the Japanese-Korean Treaty of Friendship. That had Japanese soldiers stationed in Korea. Were was your concern?

With Article 13 Korea gains a trading partner that deals fairly. If this was a major concern then perhaps The Williams-Day US trade mission should have made a stop in Korea? Perhaps a trade deal now? Treaty?

As of Article 15. Slavery has long history in Korea. Though it is no longer a government policy to own slaves it is not illegal here. By including this Article 15, the slaves in Korea gain a new status and protections they never had before. This will help continue the decline in slavery in Korea.


To: The Japanese Empire
From: The Korean Empire

Japan feels the Treaty of Richmond causes irreparable harm to its relations with Korea.
How so. I see nothing that should trouble the Great Japanese Empire. We will have your Resident-General & Diplomatic advisors to show Korea to modernization.

It has severely damaged the standing of Korea among the international conmunity.
How so. Slavery? No longer a government policy to own slaves but it is not illegal in Korea. From a time when 2/3 the nation was slaves to less then 10%. This should good news for those nations worried about slavery.

It has made Korea into a dagger pointed at the heart of Japan.
Nonsense. So dramatic. The Korean Empire has a small Army and no Navy. Korea is no threat to the Great Japanese Empire with her massive Imperial Army and Imperial Navy. Have you seen the size of those capital ships. Amazing.

We humbly look forward the Great Japanese Empire to honor us with a treaty that is more neighborly.


Blaze Injun

 

[Ahigin]

Russia confirms signing a trade treaty with Paraguay. The terms of the treaty will not be disclosed. [OOC: I'll PM the terms to EQ, to keep it transparent.]
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Russia is expressing its concern regarding the situation around Korean sovereignty. From our point of view, this proud country is willingly becoming a toy in the game of Japanese and Confederate interventionists. We hope to be mistaken.
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Russia finds it rather ironic that CSA denounces European "intervention" in the matters of South and North American nations, while also extending its ambitions across the Pacific Ocean toward Korea.

 

[ycleptic]

The newly government of The Republic of Colombia wishes to affirm its stances, both on increasing international cooperation within South/Central America, and on the abolition of slavery. We strongly support Brazil's actions on freeing their slaves, and hope that nearby nations realize the evils of slavery and follow Brazil's lead.

EQ: Do I discuss the price of projects with you before I send in orders?

 

[Masada]

The BRITISH, FRENCH and RUSSIA EMPIRES having regard to the situation in Korea and to the now manifest dangers of undertaking unilateral diplomatic action without consideration of the existing interests of the powers, the maintenance of good relations with other powers or the balance of power upon which peace is built:

CONDEMN the Treaty of Richmond for terms which are injurious to the interests of the signatory powers and others;

CONDEMN the Confederate States of America for having insufficient regard to the legitimate interests of the signatory parties and others;

CONDEMN the Korean Government for signing the Treaty and having insufficient regard to the legitimate interests of the signatory parties and others;

CONDEMN the Treaty of Richmond for expanding the institution of slavery into Asia;

CONDEMN the Confederate States of America for expanding the institution of slavery into Asia;

CONDEMN the Korean Government for allowing the expansion of the institution of slavery into Korea and the sale and traffick of its subjects in breach of numerous treaties for which the signatory powers are parties;

INVITE the Confederate States of America to abandon the Treaty of Richmond as injurious to the interests of the signatory powers and others;

INVITE the Confederate States of America to propose new terms which take into account the interests of the signatory powers and others, these being: EQUAL ACCESS to all signatory powers and others in matters commercial; EQUAL STANDING with respect to extraterritoriality; RECOGNITION of the legitimate interests of all signatory powers and others; RECOGNITION that the signatory powers and others consider the basing of Confederate States of America military units and warships in Korea to be HOSTILE and UNDESIRABLE; RECOGNISE that Japan has had special interests in Korea and that it should be compensated for the inconvenience;

INVITE the Korean Government to abolish slavery and make illegal the sale and traffick of its citizens to bring it into conformity with the legal norms of the civilised world;

INVITE the Japanese Empire to sign this document;

INVITE the Japanese Empire to provide input as to a reasonable and appropriate level of compensation for its inconvenience in this matter; and

INVITE the United States of America to sign this document.

 

[Blaze Injun]

Hey,

OCC

You all are getting way out of hand on the slavery issue. You all know in your right minds that in 1900 no one was worried about slavery. Korea in real history had slaves from way back and don't think China and Japan didn't have slaves running around. What do you think the Koreans were all those years. Plus in 1900 Korea slavery is a local and personal thing. No massive slave labor. No big slave plantations. Article 15 was included in the Treaty of Richmond to give the Korean slave more protection under law. It was not to expand slavery in asia.

Another thing that you all miss is that the CSA has been in and trading with the Korean Empire for 19 years. The CSA Navy was even stationed in Korea during the War in China. Hell they have even trained my army. Check my doctrine. Why shouldn't we have a close relationship. China should be worried about China and not Korea. The same goes with the other Great powers of the world. Japan is ranked 4th in the world in Industrial Capacity. Go figure.

So as I see it. It should have come as no suprize that Korea & the CSA signed a treaty.


That is all.

Blaze Injun

 

[EQandcivfanatic]

@Blaze_Injun: Doesn't mean that they can't raise a fuss about slavery anyways. Considering slavery is still legal in this timeline in a number of places where it wasn't in OTL 1900, including CSA, Nicaragua, Venezuela, and Brazil, they have every right to bang on that particular drum for a political goal. We can reasonably assume that abolitionists still have a hefty presence in Western society, and probably some political influence. If they want to use anti-slavery rhetoric as a base for their efforts, it can be reasonably considered to be IC.

 

[Terran Empress]

ATTENTION

Austria-Hungary is offering 5 fuel for 1 EP or 1 fuel for 1 supply, up to a cap of 200 TOTAL SOLD fuel supplies.

Price Examples

Fuel|Cost
5|1
10|2
25|5
100|20
200|40

This is a turn based deal, and subject to change, unless a contract is negotiated.

Each offer will last until the 200 units of fuel is sold.

 

[Decamper]

The Treaty of Al Basra

The Kingdom of Persia and the Ottoman Empire formally declare a lasting treaty of friendship and cooperation in the following matters:

1. Eased border restrictions for private citizens and businesses to promote trade and cultural exchange.
2. Student exchange programs.
3. Demilitarisation of border, excepting regular border guards, with increased cooperation between border guard units.
4. A commitment to pursue long term cooperation.

Signed:
Sultan Abdul Hamid II Osman

 

[ycleptic]

Colombia is interested in buying 5 fuel per turn from Austria-Hungary, considering, of course, that a better offer doesn't arise before the turn ends.

 

[SouthernKing]

Treaty of al-Basra: Signed, Ahmad Shah Qajar, Shahanshah

 

[Shadowbound]

Japan is in complete agreement with the signatory powers, and have already expressed our concerns. We don't see what elements of our proposal were onerous to the Korean government. We will draft a specific list of considerations that we would like to see in a new treaty, however, to reflect the opinions of these parties.

ATTENTION

Austria-Hungary is offering 5 fuel for 1 EP or 1 fuel for 1 supply, up to a cap of 200 TOTAL SOLD fuel supplies.

Price Examples

Fuel|Cost
5|1
10|2
25|5
100|20
200|40

This is a turn based deal, and subject to change, unless a contract is negotiated.

Each offer will last until the 200 units of fuel is sold.

Would you like to formalize a public bid of 10 EP a turn to provide the Empire of Japan with 50 fuel a turn, for a five-term contract? If so, you would be the lowest bidder.

 

[Immaculate]

The BRITISH, FRENCH and RUSSIA EMPIRES having regard to the situation in Korea and to the now manifest dangers of undertaking unilateral diplomatic action without consideration of the existing interests of the powers, the maintenance of good relations with other powers or the balance of power upon which peace is built:

CONDEMN the Treaty of Richmond for terms which are injurious to the interests of the signatory powers and others;

CONDEMN the Confederate States of America for having insufficient regard to the legitimate interests of the signatory parties and others;

CONDEMN the Korean Government for signing the Treaty and having insufficient regard to the legitimate interests of the signatory parties and others;

CONDEMN the Treaty of Richmond for expanding the institution of slavery into Asia;

CONDEMN the Confederate States of America for expanding the institution of slavery into Asia;

CONDEMN the Korean Government for allowing the expansion of the institution of slavery into Korea and the sale and traffick of its subjects in breach of numerous treaties for which the signatory powers are parties;

INVITE the Confederate States of America to abandon the Treaty of Richmond as injurious to the interests of the signatory powers and others;

INVITE the Confederate States of America to propose new terms which take into account the interests of the signatory powers and others, these being: EQUAL ACCESS to all signatory powers and others in matters commercial; EQUAL STANDING with respect to extraterritoriality; RECOGNITION of the legitimate interests of all signatory powers and others; RECOGNITION that the signatory powers and others consider the basing of Confederate States of America military units and warships in Korea to be HOSTILE and UNDESIRABLE; recognise that Japan has had special interests in Korea and that it should be compensated for the inconvenience;

INVITE the Korean Government to abolish slavery and make illegal the sale and traffick of its citizens to bring it into conformity with the legal norms of the civilised world;

INVITE the Japanese Empire to sign this document;

INVITE the Japanese Empire to provide input as to a reasonable and appropriate level of compensation for its inconvenience in this matter; and

INVITE the United States of America to sign this document.

The UNITED STATES OF AMERICA shares a regard for the situation in KOREA.

In particular we are greatly concerned with the intercultural and economic ties between KOREA and the CONFEDERATE STATES of AMERICA as they relate to the institution of slavery. We invite both KOREA and the CSA to immediately abolish the institution of slavery in its entirety.

We also find find the treaty of Richmond deleterious to not only the commercial interests of the UNITED STATES and other third parties but to the legitimate business interests of Koreans who should be free to trade with whom they like.

For these reason we must add our voice to the list of those who would require a rewrite of the Treaty of Richmond.

 

[Terran Empress]

Colombia is interested in buying 5 fuel per turn from Austria-Hungary, considering, of course, that a better offer doesn't arise before the turn ends.

Agreed, though without a formal set contract with a term length you would be subject to market fluctuations each turn. Though you would be able to just purchase more fuel without a contract if you want. Up to you

Would you like to formalize a public bid of 10 EP a turn to provide the Empire of Japan with 50 fuel a turn, for a five-term contract? If so, you would be the lowest bidder.

Austria - Hungary would gladly formalize this bid.

We will offer 50 fuel a turn, for five turns, to the Empire of Japan in exchange for 10 EP a turn for the duration of the contract.

 

[Masada]

I'll buy the rest of your fuel. Same terms as Japan.

 

[Blaze Injun]

Hey,

@Blaze_Injun: Doesn't mean that they can't raise a fuss about slavery anyways. Considering slavery is still legal in this timeline in a number of places where it wasn't in OTL 1900, including CSA, Nicaragua, Venezuela, and Brazil, they have every right to bang on that particular drum for a political goal. We can reasonably assume that abolitionists still have a hefty presence in Western society, and probably some political influence. If they want to use anti-slavery rhetoric as a base for their efforts, it can be reasonably considered to be IC.

OCC
I can dig it. I will await the punishment of the world.

Spoiler :

But the world also has to understand that Korea & the CSA have a friendly background. They seem to think this is about them. There is no background for the beating I'm getting by the world. There was no British mission to Korea. The French came and killed "natives" and then left. Japan used us as a battlefield and gave us freedom from China only to have major influence in Korean Affairs. The CSA came with open trade and a open hand. They became allies and have already used Korean Ports as naval bases. A point that should have been known to all the players (if they looked). That said I understand if they bash me on slavery. But the fact still remains that the CSA has been in Korea and using her ports for years.

Blaze Injun

 

[J.K. Stockholme]

The College of Kings

Since the Act of Royalty passed in 1861, the President of the College of Kings and the King of Saxony have been inextricable – and the current constitution of the Rheinbund does not require the approval of any member states for most executive actions. The schools, the legal system, tariff rates, the national budget, taxes, the currency – almost all national decisions and the wider bureaucracy are the exclusive domain of the King of Saxony.

Though the College of Kings does not regularly convene, because the King of Saxony typically consults the members of the confederation privately on matters which pertain to their realms, the College does retain the right to advise. Therefore its members are called upon when the entire confederation’s attention is necessary – whether during war or on new national projects.

The College of Kings, and the College of Princes, meet in Frankfurt, at the Palais Thurn und Taxis, which when not in use by the Colleges acts as the capital’s central administrative building.

The member states of the Confederation of the Rhine which receive representation on the College of Kings are grand duchies and kingdoms:

Map of the Confederation:

Spoiler :

 

[Nuka-sama]

His Most Imperial Majesty's government stands by its declaration with the Russian and British Empires, and thanks the United States of America and Japan for their support to maintain the peace and prosperity of the East Asian region.

In particular, while His Most Imperial Majesty is aware of the long-standing ties of the Confederate States of America and the Empire of Korea, notes the adoption of the most-favored nation clause would do irreparable harm to trading relations between France and Korea.

We are committed to continuing to work with responsible powers for security and prosperity in the Pacific region. As long time friends and advocates of the Confederate States of America, the Empire of France encourages the Confederacy to follow the suggestions laid out in the joint declaration in the interests of peace in the region.