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Way back when, I temped at a Kroger's owned store. Once I had a girl ask me to ring up a six pack of beer because she was underage. That's all I had to do, was put it in the register. She could take the money for it, and sack it up, but putting it in the register was a :nono:.
 
I forgot to mention in may last post that the U.S. Treasury Department requires I be registered with them as a Money Services Business (MSB) because my store offers a money wire transfer service & sells money orders. This regulation came from the famous Homeland Security Act. It was discovered that the 9/11 terrorists were using wire transfers to get funding from their benefactors overseas. Since then, the government keeps a very close eye on wire transfers.

I actually have on several occasions done an alcohol/tobacco compliance check. It was mostly to 7-11s and Sunocos - but they have strict rules that the checkers be over 21, just young looking I guess.

I don't mind the compliance checks. I agree that minors shouldn't be able to buy tobacco. My store has never been checked for alcohol compliance.

In my state, the compliance inspections use actual minors. Usually, they are the children of law enforcement officers.

Way back when, I temped at a Kroger's owned store. Once I had a girl ask me to ring up a six pack of beer because she was underage. That's all I had to do, was put it in the register. She could take the money for it, and sack it up, but putting it in the register was a :nono:.

Sounds like you are refering to a liquor law in your state. I don't let underage employees stock or handle any alcohol or tobacco. I require my cashiers be 18 or older so they can check out alcohol & tobacco. I'm not sure the exact regulation on this in my state, but I'm sure my policies are over & above the requirements so I have no worry of getting into trouble. These laws differ from state to state.
 
Sounds like you are refering to a liquor law in your state. I don't let underage employees stock or handle any alcohol or tobacco. I require my cashiers be 18 or older so they can check out alcohol & tobacco. I'm not sure the exact regulation on this in my state, but I'm sure my policies are over & above the requirements so I have no worry of getting into trouble. These laws differ from state to state.

Well, my state would be yours. ;)
 
Sounds like you are refering to a liquor law in your state. I don't let underage employees stock or handle any alcohol or tobacco. I require my cashiers be 18 or older so they can check out alcohol & tobacco. I'm not sure the exact regulation on this in my state, but I'm sure my policies are over & above the requirements so I have no worry of getting into trouble. These laws differ from state to state.

So in your state the legal limit is 18 and not 21? I thought it was 21 all over the US..
 
Do you know why pop seems to taste better out of glass bottles? Am I crazy?

Edit: The 18 to sell, 21 to buy this is pretty crazy...I agree. At work, we almost always have somebody under 21 tend the bar (and sometimes, its me, creating a double irony)
 
Do you know why pop seems to taste better out of glass bottles? Am I crazy?

Probably for the same reason beer does.

Oh, sorry. You wouldn't know about that, would you? ;)

Seriously, I think that the glass is less reactive to the liquid inside than aluminum is. :shrug: Just a guess.
 
What seems really odd to me is that at 18 Americans can legally vote and join the millitary and kill people, but they can't drink beer or smoke cigarettes.
 
What seems really odd to me is that at 18 Americans can legally vote and join the millitary and kill people, but they can't drink beer or smoke cigarettes.
You can smoke at 18 in some places. In Virginia, at least, I know you can, because just yesterday some friends of mine who are 18 bought some cigars and smoked them on the street. (A teenage blond girl who doesn't know what she's doing smoking is one of the funniest sights I've ever seen :lol: ) According to Wikipedia, the minimum smoking age is 18 in 46 states, and 19 in four. As for drinking, I'm pretty sure you can drink it on private property with the owners permission before you're 21.

I agree, though, that it's kind of stupid that you can't buy a beer, or some places smoke a cigar, but you can join the military and fight in Iraq. But that's the government for 'ya.
 
What seems really odd to me is that at 18 Americans can legally vote and join the millitary and kill people, but they can't drink beer or smoke cigarettes.

American teenagers are much more irresponsible.

Although they get drunk anyway it would be even worse if it was legalized at that age.
 
I am almost positive that isn't true. How would you bust somebody for underage drinking at a party then?
My mistake, I didn't say everything necessary. Apparently the owner must not only give permission, but must be present as well, and be a parent or relative.

Exceptions include consumption in connection with a religious ceremony and consumption in the presence of and with the permission of a parent or guardian.

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1. Nothing contained in this ordinance shall prohibit an underage person from consuming or possessing an alcoholic beverage on private property in connection with a religious observance, ceremony or rite, or consuming or possessing an alcoholic beverage in the presence of and with the permission of a parent, guardian or relative who has attained the legal age to purchase and consume alcoholic beverages.

So you need a parent present, and have their permission, but if you can get that then you can drink, at least in some places in the US.
 
What seems really odd to me is that at 18 Americans can legally vote and join the millitary and kill people, but they can't drink beer or smoke cigarettes.

18 is the legal age for tobacco use and purchase in the US.

To get into an R rated move you need to be 16.

To smoke, vote, join the military and in some states play the lottery, 18.

Drink and gamble and some other states play the lottery, 21.

When I was younger, I really wanted to see one age for all. I'm not quite as passionate about it now, but it still makes sense to me.
 
Here it's all opposite, alcohol and tobacco didn't have any age restrictions until recently (except for bars), and now they're 16 for selling (there isn't anything for consumption and I still see 13-14 year-olds buy vodka at 7-11). Everything else is 18, but young people under 21 get penalized harder for traffic violations in an attempt to discourage young speed demons.

If I was to suggest raising the restrictions it would be on driver's license and millitary. Killing people is kind of serious business.
 
I am going to update the pet food recall info in Post 96 as soon as I'm done with this post.

I thought of another recall from last year:

4. Peter Pan brand peanut butter. All Peter Pan was recalled due to Salmonella or E Coli(can't remember which). Deaths occured. The contamination was traced to a production plant in Georgia that had a leaky roof & leaky sprinkler system.

Peter Pan is still off of store shelves. The company says it will be resuming production in July. Other makers such as Jiff & Skippy have had a hard time filling the demand gap & have cut back or ceased making special varieties to fill the demand for creamy & chunky. Customers are constantly asking me why I don't have honey or low sugar peanut butter... I can't do anything about it, but they don't seem to believe me.:sad:

Well, my state would be yours. ;)

It's mine! All mine! You can't have it! Muhahahahaha!:crazyeye:

So in your state the legal limit is 18 and not 21? I thought it was 21 all over the US..

To buy. To sell is 18.

18 to buy tobacco & lottery tickets, bet at the horse/dog track races, vote & have sex. Also 18 to sell tobacco or alcohol.

21 to buy Alcoholic beverages or gamble at an Indian casino. We don't have real casinos, yet, but the state legislature just voted to allow them in one county last week.

What is the logic in that?

None. Our alcohol laws date back to the end of Prohibition & are terribly outdated. There is little political will to change them, though. Several cities won a court decision against the state last year to allow Sunday alcohol sales. That was mostly because the cities wanted the sales tax revenue.

In my state, any store that sells alcoholic beverages is barred by law from selling anything else. Conversely, food stores are barred from selling alcoholic beverages. These screwy laws artificially create an industry of liquor stores. According to state law, anything with 3.2% alcohol content or less isn't an alcoholic beverage; it's a "cereal malt beverage." Grocery stores like mine can only sell "cereal malt beverages" because of this. Welcome to Kansas where the doctors all specialize in Bible thumping injuries.:lol:

Every state has different laws regarding this.

Maryland has similar laws barring food stores from selling booze.

New Orleans was the last place in the U.S. to have a drinking age of 18. It finally buckled & raised it's age limit because the federal government was withholding highway funding.

Do you know why pop seems to taste better out of glass bottles? Am I crazy?

More than one answer here.

1. The pop made in the U.S. today is sweetened with corn syrup. Originally, cane sugar was used. That Coke you remember from when you were a kid tasted better because it was sweetened with cane sugar & came in a glass bottle.

2. Plastic leeches a plastic taste into liquid over time. This is one reason why pop in plastic bottles has shorter sell by dates.

3. Plastic bottles & lids don't hold carbonation as well as glass bottles with metal lids. Again, this is why pop in plastic has a shorter sell by date.

Cane sugar & glass bottles are no longer used in the U.S. because they are more expensive than corn syrup & plastic.:sad:

Coke & Pepsi are still made with cane sugar & bottled in glass in Mexico. You can find Mexican Coke & Pepsi in the U.S. at stores with a good Hispanic food selection. Mexican immigrants immediately notice the taste difference & look for the real thing. That's what Coke & Pepsi are supposed to taste like IMO.

The 18 to sell, 21 to buy this is pretty crazy...I agree. At work, we almost always have somebody under 21 tend the bar (and sometimes, its me, creating a double irony)

Off topic, but states vary here, too. In Kansas & Missouri, bartenders have to be 21. Waiters have to be 18 to serve alcohol. Missouri used to have a special license requirement for bartenders, but it's been years since I was in that business so I don't know if it's still the same.

Seriously, I think that the glass is less reactive to the liquid inside than aluminum is. :shrug: Just a guess.

I hadn't thought of aluminum. I think beer in cans has a slight aluminum taste, but it's just my opinion.

What seems really odd to me is that at 18 Americans can legally vote and join the millitary and kill people, but they can't drink beer or smoke cigarettes.

They can smoke, but not drink. It's odd to me, too. There is simply no political will to allow 18 year olds to drink.

You can smoke at 18 in some places. In Virginia, at least, I know you can, because just yesterday some friends of mine who are 18 bought some cigars and smoked them on the street. (A teenage blond girl who doesn't know what she's doing smoking is one of the funniest sights I've ever seen :lol: ) According to Wikipedia, the minimum smoking age is 18 in 46 states, and 19 in four. As for drinking, I'm pretty sure you can drink it on private property with the owners permission before you're 21.

Thanks for the report from Virginia! Again, every state has different laws.

American teenagers are much more irresponsible.

Although they get drunk anyway it would be even worse if it was legalized at that age.

I have been to countries with no drinking age. They have MUCH lower rates of problems like alcoholism & drunk driving. Cultures are different. Over there, drinking is no big deal. Here, it is treated like some coming of age right of passage or a method of rebellion.

I am almost positive that isn't true. How would you bust somebody for underage drinking at a party then?

I don't know about elsewhere, but, in my state, the property owners can be charged with contributing to the delinquincy of a minor or providing alcohol to a minor.

My mistake, I didn't say everything necessary. Apparently the owner must not only give permission, but must be present as well, and be a parent or relative.

So you need a parent present, and have their permission, but if you can get that then you can drink, at least in some places in the US.

Again, thanks for the report from Virginia!

18 is the legal age for tobacco use and purchase in the US.

To get into an R rated move you need to be 16.

To smoke, vote, join the military and in some states play the lottery, 18.

Drink and gamble and some other states play the lottery, 21.

When I was younger, I really wanted to see one age for all. I'm not quite as passionate about it now, but it still makes sense to me.

Thanks for the report!

As you said, allot of people wouldn't mind the law changed, but it's not on anyone's must do now list.

Here it's all opposite, alcohol and tobacco didn't have any age restrictions until recently (except for bars), and now they're 16 for selling (there isn't anything for consumption and I still see 13-14 year-olds buy vodka at 7-11). Everything else is 18, but young people under 21 get penalized harder for traffic violations in an attempt to discourage young speed demons.

Thanks for the report from Denmark!

Sure, but very few people in the military actually kill anyone. I don't know, it is possible that more teenage drivers than teenage soldiers have killed someone.

Again, countries with no drinking age have much lower rates of drunk driving.
 
I hadn't thought of aluminum. I think beer in cans has a slight aluminum taste, but it's just my opinion.

Do you drink directly from the can or from a glass? I often buy beer in the tall boy cans but usually pour it into a glas and have never noticed a difference in taste - So I wonder if you're tasting/smelling the aluminum directly from the can as you drink from it?

I have been to countries with no drinking age. They have MUCH lower rates of problems like alcoholism & drunk driving. Cultures are different. Over there, drinking is no big deal. Here, it is treated like some coming of age right of passage or a method of rebellion.

I've always joked that if teenagers were allowed in bars/pubs we'd have far less crime/vandalism on the streets. Kids aren't allowed to legally drink but they still manage to get the booze so they end up in parks etc. getting drunk lighting picnic tables on fire or tipping over garbage cans etc. A lot of those kids would much rather be hanging out in the local pub.
 
Again, countries with no drinking age have much lower rates of drunk driving.

Which actually wasn't my point (my point being that given the greater danger in driving than in being in the military for teenagers, there is no reason for it to have a lower age limitation) but if that is true that is an interesting statistic.
 
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