Ask A Protestant Christian II

[GhostWriter16]

It is still called the Theory of Evolution, not the fact of evolution.
Evolution, Big Bang... neither of them are incompatible with intelligent design.
I really don't understand why some people, on both sides, get so fired up if you believe in all three... but they do.
Personally, I believe it.

There is however, one problem with those who think the Big Bang/Evolution are incompatible with a creator, and this is the last I will say...
THE MISSING LINK.
The missing link between what made inanimate objects, like gas and rocks, suddenly become living objects, like amoebas, etc?
To me, this proves a creator.

Well, for my side of it (And I can explain why I believe in a Young Earth in a PM) I don't think its a terribly huge deal if someone wants to believe God used Evolution to create the world. I do think its a minor issue, since I think there are logical inconsistencies with it (Death before sin, man coming from apes being inconsistent with "According to his kind" exc) but I don't make nearly as big of a deal as some people do. I certainly believe it is possible to accept both.

What I WAS aggravated about was people trying to use the thread to PROVE evolution, which is blatantly off topic. My beef wasn't that people believed in it, but that an atheist was basically making this his thread to prove evolution (And in his mind perhaps to disprove a Creator.)

But my point is what your first comment was, its a Theory, not a Fact. Personally, I don't care if someone believes in it. If someone is a genuine Christian, believing in Evolution isn't going to make any difference, and if somehow an atheist rejects evolution, that will not save them. In fact, I make far less of an issue of it than some people I know.

What DOES bother me is when people claim its an absolute fact and anyone who rejects it to believe something else is stupid, especially in a thread that's supposed to be about Protestants (Many of whom, though obviously not all, do not believe in Evolution.) Its NOT supposed to be about Evolution and its CERTAINLY not about atheism. THAT was what I was aggravated about. People using Ask a Protestant to prove Evolution. Not that some people believe in Evolution.

 

[Arakhor]

Well, there is also that little thing called the Theory of Gravity, Kochman, but this is still the wrong thread for that.

 

[kochman]

Haterz gonna hate Dom.

 

[SG-17]

It is still called the Theory of Evolution, not the fact of evolution.
Evolution, Big Bang... neither of them are incompatible with intelligent design.
I really don't understand why some people, on both sides, get so fired up if you believe in all three... but they do.
Personally, I believe it.

There is however, one problem with those who think the Big Bang/Evolution are incompatible with a creator, and this is the last I will say...
THE MISSING LINK.
The missing link between what made inanimate objects, like gas and rocks, suddenly become living objects, like amoebas, etc?
To me, this proves a creator.

I hate to bring this thread even more off topic, but I can't let this go.

You are equating scientific theory with hypothesis. It is not. For all intents and purposes a scientific theory is fact.

Abiogenesis. Amino acids, the building blocks of life, can form from chemical reactions in non-organic substances. Amino acids existed in the pre-life primordial soup of the early Earth, 4 billion years ago or so. Amino acids are organized into proteins and interact with nucleic acids to form DNA/RNA, the first life is born. Nothing suddenly happens, it takes time and chance to occur.


In regards to Manifest Destiny, Domination3000, as a Protestant Christian do you see it as a beneficial philosophy or as a harmful one?

 

[JollyRoger]

Is it possible that the story of Jesus is not meant to be taken literally, but instead symbolically, with Jesus = evolution as the one true path has evolved and if you do not believe in evolution, you are doomed?

 

[GhostWriter16]

Well, there is also that little thing called the Theory of Gravity, Kochman, but this is still the wrong thread for that.

Gravity is considered a Law IIRC. If it isn't, it should be.

Haterz gonna hate Dom.

Yeah really. And that's fine, but not in Ask a Protestant. Its blatant trolling.

Next person who brings up Evolution (Unless its actually a question that is relevant to the thread) will be reported. I don't like to do that, but this thread needs to move on.

Now, any questions people?

@SG-17 In the light of what I posted (You posted before me, so I'm not hitting the report button, yet) but can you edit your post and send a PM if you feel like discussing further? Thanks.

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[kochman]

double post...

 

[kochman]

I hate to bring this thread even more off topic, but I can't let this go.

You are equating scientific theory with hypothesis. It is not. For all intents and purposes a scientific theory is fact.

Abiogenesis. Amino acids, the building blocks of life, can form from chemical reactions in non-organic substances. Amino acids existed in the pre-life primordial soup of the early Earth, 4 billion years ago or so. Amino acids are organized into proteins and interact with nucleic acids to form DNA/RNA, the first life is born. Nothing suddenly happens, it takes time and chance to occur.

Time for you to start the thread about it... because this ain't it.

 

[JollyRoger]

Now, any questions people?

Were there dinosaurs in the Garden of Eden?

 

[GhostWriter16]

Yeah, they were animals you know...

 

[JollyRoger]

Yeah, they were animals you know...

At what point do you believe they became extinct?

 

[GhostWriter16]

Honestly, I think there's good reason to believe there are still a few around. But its POSSIBLE that they could have gone extinct anytime in the past 3,000 years...

 

[JollyRoger]

Honestly, I think there's good reason to believe there are still a few around. But its POSSIBLE that they could have gone extinct anytime in the past 3,000 years...

So you believe dinosaurs made it onto the ark?

 

[GhostWriter16]

Yeah. Probably little ones, but certainly yes. Two of every kind...

Its theoretically possible that they were extinct before the Flood, but they could not have been destroyed by the Flood... But I think they made it on the ark.

 

[JollyRoger]

Do you believe it is fair to characterize God's chosen people as a harlot?

 

[GamezRule]

Who killed Jesus?

 

[GhostWriter16]

@Jollyroger- It was symbolic for idolatry, so yes.

Who killed Jesus?

The Roman Soldiers killed him, but Jesus knew it would happen and willingly came to Earth anyway.

 

[kochman]

Who killed Jesus?

Really?

 

[JollyRoger]

@Jollyroger- It was symbolic for idolatry, so yes.

How does symbolsim fit in with Biblical literalism?

 

[GhostWriter16]

Really?

I don't think it was meant to be a literal question. I think he meant something deeper, like how it related to Predestination or something...

How does symbolsim fit in with Biblical literalism?

Biblical literalists do not teach that every word of the Bible is literal, they teach that the history of the Bible is literal, that doesn't mean no symbolism. Just only when its logically intended.

In regards to Manifest Destiny, Domination3000, as a Protestant Christian do you see it as a
beneficial philosophy or as a harmful one?

I assume you mean what we did to try to unify the country and kick people out? I think theoretically it was bad philosophy, but what is done is done. I have no moral issue with buying land, but taking it by force, yeah.