Athenian Democratic Message Boards

ASM

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Most message board systems on the net are reminiscent of monarchies or oligarchies. I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with this. Monarchies and oligarchies work very well when the people in control are just. I would just like to propose a fun alternative, based on the Athenian democratic system. I think it could work.

I'll go through all of the major points of the Athenian democracy and then show how it could be implemented in a message board system.

I. THE ASSEMBLY
In ancient Athens, the assembly consisted of all male citizens above the age of 18 who wanted to attend the sessions that were held about once a week. At the sessions, anyone at all could speak up and voice their mind on the issues at hand. The assembly was the group of people who voted on all of the decisions.

On a message board, this could easily be handled. Any poster who has acculumated more than x number of points (points being a measure of how many posts and the quality of the posts) is allowed to vote on how many points any post receives. To encourage objective voting, anyone who posts in that certain thread would not be allowed the vote on any posts in that thread. Voting on a post involves this:

-checking a box on whether the post should remain visible or become invisible
-rating the post on a scale of 0 to 5, with 0 being the lowest and 5 being the highest
-checking a box saying whether the voter "agrees", "disagrees", or "isn't sure" with the post.

The rating of the post will add into the total number of points the poster has, unless there have been more votes for "invisible" than for "visible", making him/her more eligible to be a voter.

These people would also vote on changes to the forum, such as increasing or decreasing x. This would be done in a manner similar to the Athenian method, with a thread attached to a poll where people can voice their opinions and debate the matter at hand.

II. OSTRACISM
In ancient Athens, on a set date, voters could write on a piece of clay the name of a man who should be banished from Athens. If one man received a certain number of votes, he was banished.

Once every y days, a box would appear on the website asking the voter to type in the username of someone who should be banned. Very simple.

III. THE COUNCIL
The council in ancient Athens was a group of people over 30 who were randomly chosen once a year to head up and administer the votes. Nobody could serve two years in succession.

In a message board, this would equate to the webmaster. z people with more than m (m > x, hopefully, but that can be voted on) points could be chosen to be the webmasters, who would put up all the polls and the ostracism boxes.

Of course, at the start, noone would be eligible to vote, and noone could vote on any posts to increase people's eligibility. So, until about 100 people are eligible, it would have to be like the current system of message boards. With message boards that already exist but just want to change to this democratic system, though, this wouldn't be a problem.

What say you?
 
I say I'm going to move it over to Site Feedback.
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And what would be the point of all of this?

Each and every poster is equal, weather they post drival or reams of significant and entertaining information.

This just sounds like a way to set up a form of elitism, and would certainly be abused by some people.

As for whom should be banned, that is based soley on Thunderfall, with recomendations from the moderation staff. A message board isn't a popularity contest, ALL posters must be treated equally.

In other words, this is pointless.

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Cornmaster, this should NOT be in site feedback!

I was not at all talking about this site! It was just an idea for message boards!
 
Originally posted by ASM:
Cornmaster, this should NOT be in site feedback!

I was not at all talking about this site! It was just an idea for message boards!

moved back to OT forum.
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When it comes to online message boards, I think that monarchy/oligarchy is a superior system. I don't have time to waste rating avery single post I read. I'm perfectly happy to let the mod's/admin run the site.

Long live "king" Thunderfall and his "noblemen"; the Earl of Corn, Alcibiaties Duke of Athenae, Thane Stormerne, Jarl JValdezToo, Sun Prince of Tzu, Viscount "Blue" Monday, Sultan Smash, Sir Woke of 23, and Matrix the Great.
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How do you think Thunderfall chooses his mods ASM? They've all been sensible and regular contributors to all areas of the site and have shown a dedication to the quality of the site by not spamming (well, not as much as everyone else) and deserve their promotion. It's not like anyone gets paid for it -it's because they love Civ and think there should be somewhere on the net to represent the views of Civ players all over the world and let them discuss their issues. I know that TF gave Stellar a job on the spur of the moment for one of the Civ derivative game forums but everyone else was chosen properly. I'd be interested to know if anyone's refused a mod job.

Personally I think it's rubbish, but if you want to pursue your democratic website idea then why not start one of your own. It's not easy and so I think we should put up with the whims of the mods sometimes because to be honest they do well for the rest and are obliged to log on regularly.

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Let me explain this one more time, just for your benefit, duke.

I am NOT talking about this website! That's why it's in off-topic! This is just an idea I had, and I felt like sharing it. I thought I might as well share it here. I guess not. Next time I'll try on a board where people actually read the whole thread before posting and try to understand what the poster is saying.
 
Obviously I'm going to use Civ fanatics as an example because we are both reading posts here and to be honest I don't visit that many other sites with a similar system. I understood that you weren't trying to unthrone Thunderfall but as an example this site is ideal.

This website or not, it's still a bit of a carp (sic) idea. How would you like it if the other users of your site decided to ban you from it? Perhaps (if it was that good) you would just log on again with a different username, like everyone else would? It is easy to disenfranchise someone if what they rely on to vote is a physical body which can be easily recognisable should they try and vote again but on the net a username allows you to have as many personae as you want and if (as some people have accused Stellar Converter of doing) you are stupid enough to want to log on twice and play chess against yourself at Civ fanatics then you can. The beauty of the net is that it is largely unregulated and I'm sure that this democratic website idea of yours would become pretty unpopular if you tried to curtail users' internet freedom to any degree.

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[This message has been edited by duke o' york (edited August 15, 2001).]
 
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