Austria

[fuzzatron717]

I will make a Hungary thread for all of you. Other wise please talk about Austria.

 

[bite]

Has Budapest been confirmed as being a city state in G+K or will it be in Austria's city list like Oslo is for Norway

 

[Louis XXIV]

Budapest has not been confirmed either way, but they added Prague, which was also part of the Austrian Empire. Someone suggested (and I agree) that they probably want to give you the option of adding them through the Austrian UA.

 

[elprofesor]

Cool, more nationalistic rantings and whining.

You aren't being fair. People have the right to defend their countries and put forward the strong points of their apogée.

You can start complaining when I start arguing for the inclusion of Aragon's Crown.

 

[Raiki]

You aren't being fair. People have the right to defend their countries and put forward the strong points of their apogée.

You can start complaining when I start arguing for the inclusion of Aragon's Crown.

I think Buccaneer (and correct me if I'm wrong, sir) was more bemoaning the fact that another thread trying to talk about the history and possible mechanics of a new civ was being derailed by people ranting/whining about a completely different civ.

This being a message board, if people feel the need to defend/promote their pet civ, they're more than welcome to start their own topics. In the meantime, how about that Austria?

Frankly, I think the UA is going to be awesome. They're setting Austria up to be the Anti-Mongolia. Personally, I frigging hate that jerk Genghis, so when I'm playing Austria and he's on the map, I'll make sure to absorb every single city state he DOWs.

~R~

 

[AbsintheRed]

you know if the hussars are the only unique unit that people can come up with for hungary i would question their relevance anyway

Of course not the only one, I can suggest plenty
Hungary is not a short-living entity you know
Hussars are just the most important and most well-known, by far

 

[AbsintheRed]

Has Budapest been confirmed as being a city state in G+K or will it be in Austria's city list like Oslo is for Norway

Budapest has not been confirmed either way, but they added Prague, which was also part of the Austrian Empire. Someone suggested (and I agree) that they probably want to give you the option of adding them through the Austrian UA.

Actually I remember seeing Budapest as a city state in one of the GK screenshots a couple weeks (months?) ago
So yeah, it's confirmed as a city state

 

[AbsintheRed]

Cool, more nationalistic rantings and whining.

Pff, read it again
Btw, this is a thread about Austria, including it's UU
So the connection between Hussars and Hungary is very relevant

You aren't being fair. People have the right to defend their countries and put forward the strong points of their apogée.

You can start complaining when I start arguing for the inclusion of Aragon's Crown.

Thank you!

 

[Raiki]

Wow, awesome! More defense of civ that doesn't exist instead of actually relevant conversation relating to the topic at hand! That's just swell. Someone clearly got the point.

As for discussing Austria, it's UU, and Hungary together...well:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=461727

 

[Dragonflow]

Although I posted this in another thread I think the idea is fitting for this thread as well:

We know that with espionage you can cause a Coup d'Etat within a city-state, making them your ally. I think this espionage mechanic will work very well with the Austrian UA. You cause a Coup d'Etat within a city-state, making them your ally, and then use the Austrian UA in order to annex it. That way you can skip the entire part of paying lots of money and doing quest in order to make the city-state your ally. I think Austria will be one of the civs that'll work well in combination with espionage.

 

[Raiki]

Even failing doing a complete Coup d'Etat, just having a spy in a city-state for long enough would (from what I understand about "rigging elections") allow Austria to puppet/annex a city state on the cheap and easy. Though, *how* cheap and easy remains to be seen. Now that we know what the UA does, I'm hoping for a gameplay video showing someone doing it, so we can see how it works.

 

[Dragonflow]

Even failing doing a complete Coup d'Etat, just having a spy in a city-state for long enough would (from what I understand about "rigging elections") allow Austria to puppet/annex a city state on the cheap and easy. Though, *how* cheap and easy remains to be seen. Now that we know what the UA does, I'm hoping for a gameplay video showing someone doing it, so we can see how it works.

Indeed, I totally forgot about rigging elections. It would really be nice to have a video showing us how the UA works and how much gold it costs to annex a city-state. The more I think about, the more it seems like Austria will have to do some good espionage to maximize their UA during later eras. Maybe the coffee shop gives them some espionage bonus(although I doubt that)?
Can't wait to annoy Greece and Siam every time I play against them by annexing their favorite city-states all the time, finally I will have my revenge against Alexander.

 

[Raiki]

As I said upthread, for me it's all about dicking over Genghis. That bastard shows up in 2 out of every 3 games I play, and every time he seems to just want to watch the world burn (fittingly enough). But if I can undercut his ability to murder city-states (after letting him fight them for awhile to wear down his army, natch), then I will have a very happy day, and will ride off into the sunset giggling maniacally.

Edit: Honestly, while I would gladly dick Alex over as soon as his UUs become obsolete, dicking over Rammy makes me nervous. Stampy is scary when he's angry.

 

[mitsho]

I'm not sure Austria is the Anti-Mongolia. They are really just two sides of the same coin since they are both bad for diplomatic victory. Annexing a city state normally doesn't give you their vote in the UN elections (liberating them does). So if it's not a special ability of the Austrians that they can annex these city states while retaining the vote, they won't be of much use for a Diplomatic Victory.

Instead you will invest money to get luxury and strategic ressources, while losing the per-turn value, these city states provide, best investing in a wide empire, sprawling the entire globe. Also good for getting a foothold on a different continent for invasion. The UA of the Austrians doesn't seem peaceful to me at all...

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

I think Austria is more of the anti-Siam and anti-Greece since Siam and Greece have the most to gain from city-states. Siam gets more per turn and Greece gets more by reason of duration. Austria and Mongolia do the same thing in the end, just with different ways of going about it.

Getting rid of the negative diplomatic modifer for general city-state conquest give G-Khan even more leeway to smash city-states and add them to his empire.

 

[Louis XXIV]

Actually I remember seeing Budapest as a city state in one of the GK screenshots a couple weeks (months?) ago
So yeah, it's confirmed as a city state

I wish I could choose specific city-states so I could make sure to acquire both Budapest and Prague when playing as the Austrians.

 

[cool3a2]

I'm glad to see Absinthe made it here to support my point.

Denmark has Norwegian ski troops; Sweden has Finnish cavalry; Austria has Hungarian hussars. So? Hungary was part of Austria at one point.

There should be a rule that people kvetching about the lack of inclusion of their own country should be beaten repeatedly about the head and neck.

My main point is not, that I'm upset that Hungary didn't make it into civ5, my point is, that by the choice of Austrias UU they made it almost impossible to add Hungary. And no, it's not got style of modding to override anything of another civ (think of mod-merging etc). Sure, there would have been horsearchers as alternative, but the Huns got that again. And Germany will now be overrepresentetd, that's a fact.

And no, those late Hussars are not a western european invention either...

...

Hussars in the 18th century

Hussars outside the Polish Kingdom followed a different line of development. During the early decades of the 17th century hussars in Hungary ceased to wear metal body armour; and by 1640 most were now light cavalry. It was hussars of this 'light' pattern rather than the Polish heavy hussar that were later to be copied across Europe. These light hussars were ideal for reconnaissance and raiding sources of fodder and provisions in advance of the army.

In battle, they were used in such light cavalry roles as harassing enemy skirmishers, overrunning artillery positions, and pursuing fleeing troops. In many countries the hussars and bosniaks actually retained their original Asiatic uniforms. In the late 17th and 18th centuries many Hungarian hussars fled to other Central and Western European countries and became the core of similar light cavalry formations created there. Following their example, hussar regiments were introduced into many of the armies of Europe.
...

(Wikipedia)

And about Hungary being part of Austria, yeah, that's true. But only because Austria had occupied us and forced our soldiers to serve them. I hope you'll see that what you said is already close to an insult.
Hussars would have been well for Austria-Hungary, but not for Austria alone.

 

[Louis XXIV]

It's not designed with the thought of what will make Hungarian civ fans the most happy. The thought was what works well with Austria that would be known to a western audience. Some Numidians were conscripts to Carthage (although many were paid and/or allies), but they were still a UU for them in the previous two civ games. They're not trying to insult Hungarians, they're trying to make an Austrian civ.

 

[cool3a2]

You guys should spend more time on reading posts more carefully. I was not refering to the creators of civ5 when saying 'insult', but to AriochIV who's words sounded like Huszárs were serving out of there free will for austrian army instead of being forced to do so. Guess why they switched sites in 1848/49.

It's not designed with the thought of what will make Hungarian civ fans the most happy. The thought was what works well with Austria that would be known to a western audience.

Again: why pick Austria if there's already Germany? Also, was it too hard to check the civ4 forums a little? They would have seen that the hungarian civ is pretty well developed which led to the most leaderheads for a single nation besides of the US... They would have seen that the creation of an hungarian civ would have soon happened - better said it already did happen. I guess they can do whatever they want, but they should stop that bla about being modding community friendly.

 

[sithlord05]

So this is my first post on CivFanatics, and I really wanted to clarify the Austria-Hungary issue. It makes a lot of sense to have the Hussars as the Unique Unit for Austria since Maria Theresia is the leader. One of the most famous episodes in her reign was going to the Hungarian Nobles and requesting their aid against Prussia and France. In one of the most notable moments of her request, she brought out her son, Joseph (still a baby), and asked for help. At this point, the Hungarians, solely out of their choice, announced support for their "Lord and King." While there was conflict between the ethnic groups, Maria Theresia, in this one moment, bridged the gap and it is considered one (of many!) turning point in Austria-Hungary relations.