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[NFP] Babylon First Look

Discussion in 'Civ6 - General Discussions' started by bite, Nov 12, 2020.

  1. UWHabs

    UWHabs Deity

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    Some fun beelines:
    archers->machinery->metal casting for bombards+pike/shot
    beeline to feudalism for knights. Kill a unit with a knight for super fast cavalry
    Ancient walls to get engineering. Aqueduct to get military engineering. armory for gunpowder. Get a military engineer to pop a couple forts down and you have cuirassier/gattling guns (and Rangers with a niter mine)
    Getting your universities down to rush to printing press/astronomy
    2xHarbor->Caravel (adding in lumber mill->shipyards->ironclads)

    Of course, we saw all this, but some of these are slightly dependant on terrain too. You can't rush for Rangers if you have no niter nearby. And just because you can unlock cavalry super early, if your cities are only getting 10 production per turn because it's still the classical era, that cavalry is going to take a buttload of time to build or upgrade into, especially since the 50% upgrade card won't come until normal.
     
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  2. Amrunril

    Amrunril Emperor

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    I think China's in a fine place in terms of power level/balance. Their leader ability is really strong, and their UA applies to civics and well as techs and doesn't include any debuff to normal science generation. I do agree that their UA now seems really bland by comparison, though.

    I don't know the thematic explanation for the free buildings, but it fits well mechanically, since pursuing Eurekas will encourage you to get a lot of different districts faster than you otherwise might. It also helps establish an infrastructure subfocus to the civ design. The envoy side of the ability, feels kind of disjoined, though, as if they felt like districts without buildings needed to give something but weren't sure what.
     
  3. bite

    bite Unofficial Civilization Cartographer Super Moderator

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    My Thoughts about Babylon are HERE but that Eureka bonus is groundbreaking

    *nervous eye twitch appears for no reason*
     
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  4. Eagle Pursuit

    Eagle Pursuit Scir-Gerefa

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    https://twitter.com/EdBeach23/status/1326936921856237569?s=20

    Hammurabi's Agenda is "Cradle of Civilization." Likes civs who build every type of district. Tries to build all of them himself. Oh, and interesting fact -- the AI has tuned out to be very strong at playing Babylon. It jumps to a big early game science lead.
     
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  5. UWHabs

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    Yeah, the AI getting massive boosts to production should help them grab a bunch of eurekas. And they're penalized less for putting campuses in terrible locations.
     
  6. Lily_Lancer

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    As pillaging yields so many gold/ chopping yield so much production, it's easy for Babylon to upgrade one or two to some insanely advanced units. (Pike & Shot, Cavalry)

    Then as those units seem invulnerable they can pillage insanely amount of golds, then smash everything out, in ancient era.
     
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  7. Noble Zarkon

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    Nope - Trajan gets them in every city, Babylon only the first (and City Center doesn't count for some strange reason).

    We are the 1% ....
     
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  8. Duke William of Normandy

    Duke William of Normandy King of England & Unofficial Welcoming Committee

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    At least we'll have a challenge, hehe...
     
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  9. The Highwayman

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    Like Civs that build every district type? Does that mean Hammurabi will be wondering why I haven't constructed an aerodrome turn 10?
     
  10. Noble Zarkon

    Noble Zarkon Elite Quattromaster - Emperor (BTS) Super Moderator Hall of Fame Staff Supporter GOTM Staff

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    Don't think this is quite right:-

    It's a free building OR an envoy depending on the District type.

    EDIT: This sentence peters out before the end:-

    2nd EDIT: I love how quick you get these up and really appreciate them!
     
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  11. bite

    bite Unofficial Civilization Cartographer Super Moderator

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    Ah I miss-read the tool tip, will have to go in do an edit
     
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  12. ehecatzin

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    I really like the versatility, you could go either way with the strategy, heck even religion gets a boost early on with the free shrine. I can't help to think China got Spain'ed. they both could use some love with the coming of Babylon and Byzantium.
     
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  13. Guandao

    Guandao Rajah of Minyue and Langkasuka

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    @Zaarin I'm betting they outsourced the dialogue to a Mexican Voice Actor.....:p Like they did with Gilgy. And presumably Ashurbanipal and Nebby in Civ5.

    I wonder if all the Akkadian names for the abilities and uniques are correct?
     
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  14. SammyKhalifa

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    Might be a fun 1cc civ
     
  15. Nikolai II

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    Anything on how strong the UU is, besides the buff mentioned?
     
  16. bite

    bite Unofficial Civilization Cartographer Super Moderator

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    From what I could find yes (but I could not see a clear entry for the UU)
     
  17. Eagle Pursuit

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    It looks great. I probably won't even build scouts to explore with. I assume that since they didn't describe the technology that unlocks it, it will be a starter unit.
     
  18. Duke William of Normandy

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    To be fair, Mesopotamia during Hammurabi's reign was inhabited with plenty of City-States. Hammurabi is also known for his cunning in diplomacy and was able to gain several cities through trickery and flattery.
    Check out these videos for more information:

     
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  19. 8housesofelixir

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    I have seen a lot of similar opinions, but I wouldn't say China got Spain'ed - the strongest ability of China is the snowballing effect of the 1 free builder change, rushing early wonders, as well as the ridiculous output of the Great Wall. 40% Eureka is no more than icing on the top. Only few civs can compete with China in terms of these abilities - if anything, China is still a 1st tier civ, while Spain is not a 1st tier civ to begin with.
     
  20. Guandao

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