Well, the pre-Indo-European tribes of Europe, Numidians, pre-Median people of Iran, and Indus Valley cultures lack attested languages. While, many of the North American Indians have well attested languages.
They were screwed over by disease brought by the Europeans as well as the dispossession of land, that's why they didn't become important. Notice how no Amerindian countries exist throughout the Americas. All thanks to the Europeans and their descendants.
You would rather have North America only represented by Canada and USA, two White Anglo dominated post-colonial nations? Can this game be any more Eurocentric?
Please read the book 1491 by Charles Mann, it might open your eyes regarding Pre-Columbian Civilizations in the Americas.
PS: I'm not a White American, so I don't feel guilt over what my ancestors did to the Amerindians.
See, I think Ogedei has a better shot than Kublai to replace Genghis, if that is what's happening with the Mongols. Unlike Kublai, who fashioned himself more as a traditional Chinese emperor, Ogedei was a more traditional Great Khan, who led his father's horde to its furthest reaches of conquest than any khan before or since. If Firaxis wanted to keep the Mongols in their traditional game role as aggressive pastoral expansionists WITHOUT Genghis, than Ogedei would be the better choice.
Also, in Civ 6, capitals are tied to the civ leader, and Ogedei is the one who founded the legendary Karakorum. In fact, Genghis didn't even have a true capital, which maybe is why they're substituting him for now.
Since the leader will be of an existing civ now Spain seems a good bet with Isabella. But due to the screenshots of Russia with the new palace and the Kremlin/St. Basil's Cathedral we could get Lenin to make Russia more of an industrial war machine. It fits with the theme of Rise and Fall as well with the Loyalty mechanic in a sense.
If they do add Isabella, hopefully they make her look like she really did and not an attractive nun. But does Spain really need an alt leader, as opposed to France, India, or Egypt?
I would not be angry if the alt leader was Isabella, but if I were to include an alternative leader now, I would surely include an Indian, and then an Egyptian. But we're talking about Firaxis, maybe their priorities are not ours...
That's the thing about "related to Ages". Nearly every noteworthy leader presided over an age of success. The concept can be twisted to apply to nearly anyone.
But at least with Elizabeth, her reign is popularly regarded as a Golden Age.
Yeah Elisabeth is a really good thought. My Wilhelmina idea was based on my thinking that she led her people through bad, good, bad and good again. Also she inspired the resistance and in the preview video they show a female Dutch resistance member..
Elizabeth, Seondeok, and Tamar all inherited their respective kingdoms at dark times and ended up presiding over a golden age, so I think any one of them would be suitable for such an ability. Of the three, I'd put my money on Seondeok; as badly as I want to see her added, I don't think we'll see Elizabeth, sadly.
I was just thinking in re: alt leader, that they could very well include an early Byzantine ruler for Rome, with his/her capital in Constantinople. I know it is a stretch, but this could satisfy the need to include the Byzantines without actually adding a whole new civ with many overlapping cities/traits. They could even link the Legion and/or Bath to Trajan and give said Byzantine the hippodrome/Byzantine cavalry or fireship.
Plus, with the news that there will be a female leader with an ability tied to the new ages system, this would make sense, given the many ups and downs of the Second Rome.
I was thinking here, Saladin is the only Islamic leader in the game, I'm pretty sure they'll add another in this expansion, I think the Ottomans have very real possibilities.
I was thinking here, Saladin is the only Islamic leader in the game, I'm pretty sure they'll add another in this expansion, I think the Ottomans have very real possibilities.
I was thinking here, Saladin is the only Islamic leader in the game, I'm pretty sure they'll add another in this expansion, I think the Ottomans have very real possibilities.
Elizabeth, Seondeok, and Tamar all inherited their respective kingdoms at dark times and ended up presiding over a golden age, so I think anyone of them would be suitable for such an ability. Of the three, I'd put my money on Seondeok; as badly as I want to see her added, I don't think we'll see Elizabeth, sadly.
I think Elizabeth is like Napoleon in my opinion. We got the Imperial Garde for France that would be a substitute for Napoleon, so I think the Sea Dog was a way to put Elizabeth in without her actually leading. That's just my speculation though.
I was just thinking in re: alt leader, that they could very well include an early Byzantine ruler for Rome, with his/her capital in Constantinople. I know it is a stretch, but this could satisfy the need to include the Byzantines without actually adding a whole new civ with many overlapping cities/traits. They could even link the Legion and/or Bath to Trajan and give said Byzantine the hippodrome/Byzantine cavalry or fireship.
I think Elizabeth is like Napoleon in my opinion. We got the Imperial Garde for France that would be a substitute for Napoleon, so I think the Sea Dog was a way to put Elizabeth in without her actually leading. That's just my speculation though.
This list is excellent-- really fills out a lot of the gaps that the current game is lacking. Hopefully it's somewhat reflective of what will actually be in the game! I don't know a lot of Roman history besides what you pick up from reading Virgil, Ovid, Horace etc. so I'm not sure which leaders might be interesting to add besides the traditional Augustus or Julius, but maybe having a traditional civ leader to pair with Trajan would be fun.
In general, I'm loving the speculation as to which North American native group will be included and will be SO disappointed if they're overlooked again at this point. I'd love a PNW tribe-- the Chinook or the Salish, maybe-- but I acknowledge they're not the most likely, nor probably should they be.
While I like the list in general (minus the Zulu), I'm missing surprises. It would be a great expansion, but I would be a bit disappointed because there aren't any real surprises. Sure, the Apache would be a new civ, but it seems very likely that a new North Ameridian civ will appear. And while the Apaches wouldn't be my choice, they certainly are amongst the most known (and cliché) and thus wouldn't surprise me. You know, that excitement, like when the Khmer First Look popped up. Especially now that we don't have any real clues who might be in.
On a completely other topic, governors: the Interview in PC Games N states that they will have personalities and that the graphic designer put in a lot of work despite them not being units. Will they pop up in a circle as an animated leader head when click on the city? And it does seem like they have a fixed name and ethnicity and are not civ-specific.
On a completely other topic, governors: the Interview in PC Games N states that they will have personalities and that the graphic designer put in a lot of work despite them not being units. Will they pop up in a circle as an animated leader head when click on the city? And it does seem like they have a fixed name and ethnicity and are not civ-specific.
Mali would be a nice surprise though
I'm changing my list due to recent announcements.
Dutch
Portugal
Mali
Inca
Ottomans
Sioux
Korea
Mongolia
Lenin for Russia
Sorry Italy, I don't see it viable right now releasing with one leader.
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Can this game be any more Eurocentric?
I don't know a lot of Roman history besides what you pick up from reading Virgil, Ovid, Horace etc. so I'm not sure which leaders might be interesting to add besides the traditional Augustus or Julius, but maybe having a traditional civ leader to pair with Trajan would be fun.
