[R&F] Based on the new features - which civilizations and leaders should be introduced in R&F?

[Vahnstad]

I'd love to see how Fixaris does Alternate leader packs. For alternate leaders for America, I would love to see one female leader for the Americans but I would like to see some new faces for America, like Kennedy, Andew Jackson, Thomas Jefferson, and any American First Ladies that could work. I also would love to see an Arab queen as an alt leader for Arabia. For Rome, I'd love to see Marcus Aurelius (One of the good Roman Emperors), Hadarian, Roman empresses like Livia (empress of Augustus Caesar), and I would love to see constantine (The Christian Emperor). Could use a Male leader for Scythia, I'd love to see what female leader Fixaris picks for Macedon, I could have many things else but I don't want to make a big wall of text in one post.

I would love a female leader for Sumeria. And what about female leaders for Japan, Australia and Brazil?

 

[Tinker]

Why are people saying Mongols are "basically confirmed"? It's hard to find the reason in these huge threads.

 

[Cerilis]

I would love a female leader for Sumeria. And what about female leaders for Japan, Australia and Brazil?

Can I has that cute one from Civ: Revolutions or whatever it was called, pls?

 

[Perseus Gold]

Sumeria: Literally who though? They would need to drastically inflate the importance of a Queen regent like they did with Korea, who btw was a terrible much hated leader by the Koreans themselves notorious for Marine Antoinette levels of out of touch, spending a fortune on the arts during a historic famine she could have been importing grain with instead. She also lead the country to massive military loses with over 40 castles destroyed on her watch. Good female leaders were a rarity, most being regents, many of whom mark the end of their dynasties. That England has produced so many is more a testament to the English system than anything else.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

Why are people saying Mongols are "basically confirmed"? It's hard to find the reason in these huge threads.

In the beginning of the livestream they showed a kind of visual guide to the R&F features. In the background you could see the portraits of some players. Most were familiar, one looks like a Mongol. Another was unfamiliar and unidentifiable.

Further, you could see red/orange borders, and a city with the same colors and a fireball icon like the Mongols, and the city has a name that is from a language close to Mongol.

 

[WillowBrook]

Why are people saying Mongols are "basically confirmed"? It's hard to find the reason in these huge threads.

In the live stream, they showed intro screens for the new mechanics, and there was a Mongol city name, and a border color that matched past Mongol colors. Also, what look like Mongols in the announcement trailer.

 

[Vahnstad]

Sumeria: Literally who though? They would need to drastically inflate the importance of a Queen regent like they did with Korea, who btw was a terrible much hated leader by the Koreans themselves notorious for Marine Antoinette levels of out of touch, spending a fortune on the arts during a historic famine she could have been importing grain with instead. She also lead the country to massive military loses with over 40 castles destroyed on her watch. Good female leaders were a rarity, most being regents, many of whom mark the end of their dynasties. That England has produced so many is more a testament to the English system than anything else.

I think both of our posts were sarcasm. (hopefully it was in his case).

 

[Zaarin]

Sumeria: Literally who though? They would need to drastically inflate the importance of a Queen regent like they did with Korea, who btw was a terrible much hated leader by the Koreans themselves notorious for Marine Antoinette levels of out of touch, spending a fortune on the arts during a historic famine she could have been importing grain with instead. She also lead the country to massive military loses with over 40 castles destroyed on her watch. Good female leaders were a rarity, most being regents, many of whom mark the end of their dynasties. That England has produced so many is more a testament to the English system than anything else.

Sarcasm aside, there is exactly one choice for a Sumerian queen: Kubaba. We don't know much about her except she was an ale-wife who (supposedly) the gods themselves selected to become queen because the current king was a jerk. I'd take her over Gilgercules.

 

[ferretbacon]

...the city has a name that is from a language close to Mongol.

I wasn't aware that anyone had extrapolated a city name from that blurry image. What was it?

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

I wasn't aware that anyone had extrapolated a city name from that blurry image. What was it?

If I read the thread right, it was Karabalghasun. There wasn't much argument about interpretation as far as I can tell.

 

[Duckfromstatefarm]

I would love a female leader for Sumeria. And what about female leaders for Japan, Australia and Brazil?

Technically if I was to think of one female sumerian leader, Gilgamesh's wife could be one but I am not very familiar with the Sumerian leaders. Japan could have some Empresses that could fit, Australia, I don't know any female leaders from Australia's time that was not too recent, but fixaris will find somebody.

 

[Polynesian]

1. Korea - Confirmed
2. Netherlands - Confirmed
3. Mongolia - Kabuli Khan
4. Georgia - Tamar. Completely new Civ, would be the first civ from the Caucus' region, and a good choice for a female leader.
5. Maori - Unsure on leader, would nicely fill out the map. Hopefully a pan-Polynesia civ won't be in this one.
6. Mayan - Lady Six Skies
7. Navajo - Completely new Civ, fills out blank region on the map. First NA native civ of Civ6.
8. Mali - Mansa Musa. Missed the boat in Civ6, would fill out the map nicely.

 

[Sascha77]

Maori - Unsure on leader, would nicely fill out the map. Hopefully a pan-Polynesia civ won't be in this one.

Hmm... what's wrong with a pan-Polynesian civ? Not to be putting down the Maori, but as civs go, they hardly qualify as "ancient" (New Zealand being, IIRC, the last major landmass discovered/settled by humans).

I kinda liked Polynesia in V. Yes: Perhaps it was a bit too much of a "broad stroke" civ, but then again, you could say the same for Germany, which didn't *really* exist as a unified nation until 1871. But do we want Bavarians, Swabians, Franks, Saxons, etc instead of one Germany in the game?

S.

 

[Polynesian]

Hmm... what's wrong with a pan-Polynesian civ?

Did you mind the pan-Native American civilization in Civ4, or would you have objected to Hiawatha ruling a pan-Native American civ in Civ5 instead of the Iroquois? Because it is the same problem there as here. I appreciated Civ5's attempt to include Polynesia culture, but I do dislike the entire Polynesian subculture being siphoned off into one Civ. I would much have preferred Kamehameha had just ruled a Hawaiian civ.

Not to be putting down the Maori, but as civs go, they hardly qualify as "ancient" (New Zealand being, IIRC, the last major landmass discovered/settled by humans).

I fail to why whether the Maori can be considered "ancient" should be a stumbling block for its implementation, considering we had America and Brazil in the base game, Australia as DLC, and people in this thread suggesting Canada and Argentina to be in the expansion pack. Should they also be scrutinised?

I kinda liked Polynesia in V. Yes: Perhaps it was a bit too much of a "broad stroke" civ, but then again, you could say the same for Germany, which didn't *really* exist as a unified nation until 1871. But do we want Bavarians, Swabians, Franks, Saxons, etc instead of one Germany in the game?

I'm really not sure what point you are trying to make here. I didn't suggest putting in the Maori, Hawaiians, Moriori, Samoan, Fijians and Tongans in as separate civs. I suggested putting in the Maori as a representative of the Polynesian region, the same way West African was represented by Mali in Civ4 and Songhai in Civ5, or South-east Asia was represented by the Khmer in Civs 4 and 6, and by Siam in Civ 5. These regions only receive one token representative in each Civ game, compared to the multiple Western Europe receives, and I suggest the Maori for the Oceanic region.

Futhermore, there has been and still exists a pan-Germanic state in real life - Germany. Nobody has suggested including the Bavarians, Swabians, Franks and Saxons as separate civs.

 

[Vahnstad]

I just don't think that Polynesia should make an appearance in CIV VI. Their geographical spot is taken by Australia and their functional or unique gameplay-wise spot is taken by Indonesia. I'd rather focus them on other mainstays and unique civs.

 

[DeepKing]

I'd be fine with a Maori Civ, or really any of those relative Polynesian cultures. I too did really like Civ V's Polynesia, but I see the problem with it and I think Civ VI, like Civ V made some effort to, is going to try to pull further away from grouping together similar cultured people like the did with the Celts and Polynesia.

I do wonder where they'd fit in mechanic wise with Indonesia being so naval and small island focused.

 

[luigilime]

I just don't think that Polynesia should make an appearance in CIV VI. Their geographical spot is taken by Australia and their functional or unique gameplay-wise spot is taken by Indonesia. I'd rather focus them on other mainstays and unique civs.

I'll be really angry if it's true that Australia replaced Polynesia.

 

[DeepKing]

I think they literally just wanted to use a Civ that was popular with the community and that they hadn't used before with Australia, I doubt it "replaced" Polynesia. Especially since Australia is it's own location distinct from "Polynesia" even Maori is still an island away.

 

[Xandinho]

I think they literally just wanted to use a Civ that was popular with the community and that they hadn't used before with Australia, I doubt it "replaced" Polynesia. Especially since Australia is it's own location distinct from "Polynesia" even Maori is still an island away.

I agree, I do not think Australia is a substitute for Polynesia. They can go to Maoris, they would be a rival neighbor of Australia on TLS maps.

If they do not include Polynesia in civ6, it will be for other reasons, but not because of Australia. Aborigines, however, is quite unlikely.

 

[God of Kings]

There's also room for a city-state that can construct Moai if Polynesia isn't going to be a civ again.