[R&F] Based on the new features - which civilizations and leaders should be introduced in R&F?

[Zaarin]

Unless you have to pay for it. Monuments fitting the civs seems like a perfect DLC opportunity for Paradox...

I would pay for a DLC that made the districts and city-center buildings culturally unique. I wouldn't pay much, but I would pay for it.

I would love this, and hope that either Firaxis or a modder does it eventually. And hell, take it several steps further by "culturifying" the districts and such, because they look so damn jarring as is. But I have to say that the stone pagoda is very decidedly "Korean", and in the other two screenshots showing American and Russian cities we can see they're still using the default monument style. Either way, I'd imagine Korea would get a unique ability relating to their campuses, rather than a new campus district flat out.

Indeed, here's to hoping, though.

Yeah, but the Greeks picked up the obelisk design from the Egyptians and spread it around Europe. Probably the most famous obelisk in the world at the moment was built in Washington, D.C. So it would kind of make sense for Europeans to share the obelisk design for monuments with Egypt. Also, given that no unique Campus currently exists, the Koreans are probably the best candidate for one.

 

[Morningcalm]

Until we really know how the new mechanics work, it might be tough to guess which civs are added next to synergize with the new mechanics. Many of the civs already in the game would fit the Golden/Dark Ages quite well (France and Germany, for example).

 

[Vahnstad]

I'm like.... prematurely mad about Canada..... please say it ain't so!! there are so many better choices out there. Especially when Australia was like the second DLC released for the game.

my only real other hope is that India will be the one with the leader duplicate-- India has one of the richest histories on the entire planet on which to draw, centuries of important leaders, and MAN does it feel flat to have Gandhi be the sole representative there. I think I've seen a Mughal civ a la Macedon proposed and I wholly second that if they like, go with a Caesar or Abraham Lincoln instead though, lol. Just fingers crossed that-- in an upcoming DLC if not in the pack-- they devote some attention to the Indian subcontinent in whatever fashion.

The Mughal Civ would add something new to civilization, and that we will not see the Taj Mahal in this expansion is actually a good sign, because that wonder would look amazing in VI, and they will definitely include it at some point, and most likely with the Mughals, what would be a fresh (and even not obscure) addition to the series. I think Mughals also lean much better for a different civ, and it looks like we won't have a lot of alternate leaders. I rather have them make a separate civ for the Mughals (and that they could be better represented that way), and keep the alternate leaders for civs like Egypt, Spain and France. India is okay too, but i have a feeling that it's not going to happen.

 

[Zaarin]

The Mughal Civ would add something new to civilization, and that we will not see the Taj Mahal in this expansion is actually a good sign, because that wonder would look amazing in VI, and they will definitely include it at some point, and most likely with the Mughals, what would be a fresh (and even not obscure) addition to the series. I think Mughals also lean much better for a different civ, and it looks like we won't have a lot of alternate leaders. I rather have them make a separate civ for the Mughals (and that they could be better represented that way), and keep the alternate leaders for civs like Egypt, Spain and France. India is okay too, but i have a feeling that it's not going to happen.

Personally, I'd rather see a Mughal leader attached to India as it exists now and see India balkanized with a South Indian civ like Sri Lanka/Anuradhapura, Chola, or Sri Vijaya.

 

[ferretbacon]

The Mughal Civ would add something new to civilization, and that we will not see the Taj Mahal in this expansion is actually a good sign, because that wonder would look amazing in VI, and they will definitely include it at some point, and most likely with the Mughals, what would be a fresh (and even not obscure) addition to the series. I think Mughals also lean much better for a different civ, and it looks like we won't have a lot of alternate leaders. I rather have them make a separate civ for the Mughals (and that they could be better represented that way), and keep the alternate leaders for civs like Egypt, Spain and France. India is okay too, but i have a feeling that it's not going to happen.

I wanted the Mughals in Civ V, so I'd certainly welcome them in VI. I agree that the Taj Majal's exclusion would make bundling it with the Mughals an obvious pairing. Perhaps even in some post-expansion DLC.

 

[Guandao]

Personally, I'd rather see a Mughal leader attached to India as it exists now and see India balkanized with a South Indian civ like Sri Lanka/Anuradhapura, Chola, or Sri Vijaya.

Srivijaya wasn't southern Indian. They were based in Sumatra.
But yes on Sri Lanka and Chola/Tamils.

 

[Perseus Gold]

Hattusili I of the Hittites accurately depicted with the appearance of pre-Turk Anatolians or I literally won't be getting the expansion.

He built the city of Hattusili which had an ingenious fresh water supply and waste removal sewer system.

 

[Zaarin]

Srivijaya wasn't southern Indian. They were based in Sumatra.
But yes on Sri Lanka and Chola/Tamils.

Huh, so they are. Well, it's their own fault for using a Sanskrit name.

 

[Guandao]

Huh, so they are. Well, it's their own fault for using a Sanskrit name.

Well, Southeast Asia was heavily influenced by Classical India. I think Malays today don't even realize that and would see Indians as foreigners. There's so many Sanskrit loanwords in Malay/Indonesian.

 

[Zaarin]

Well, Southeast Asia was heavily influenced by Classical India. I think Malays today don't even realize that and would see Indians as foreigners. There's so many Sanskrit loanwords in Malay/Indonesian.

Except Vietnam, of course, which was heavily Sinicized. I know less about India or Southeast Asia than I do the Sinosphere--but I like the food better.

 

[Guandao]

Except Vietnam, of course, which was heavily Sinicized. I know less about India or Southeast Asia than I do the Sinosphere--but I like the food better.

I like them all pretty much equally. At least the ones I've tried anyways. I'm not that big on Korean cuisine though.

 

[Zaarin]

I like them all pretty much equally. At least the ones I've tried anyways. I'm not that big on Korean cuisine though.

Korean food is definitely the weirdest in Asia. Korean barbecue isn't bad, and neither is royal court-style tteokbokki. And tteok and songpyeon are delicious--and rather similar to Japanese mochi. My parents really loved yuja cha, a tisane made from a citrus fruit called yuja (similar to a citron), but I prefer hyeonmi cha, rice tea, or bori cha, barley tea. The weirdest thing I had in Korea though was this drink--I have no idea what they called it or how they made it--but it tasted like cold pine needle tea. Which is probably exactly what it was. I love studying Korean history and culture, but...I can pass on the cuisine. My dad loved kimchi--me...I'll pass, thanks. Considering I was very young when I lived there, I'd like to think I'd be a little more open-minded to the food now, but I'm definitely not going to seek it out.

I like Chinese food so long as it's not too heavy on soy or fish sauce (meat rolls, dumplings, honey chicken, sesame chicken, orange chicken, honey walnut chicken, that sort of thing). Japanese I haven't had much of, but I like what they call "crab salad," which is really just raw crab claws in rice vinegar and crab roe (given that I hate seafood other than crab and shrimp, I really didn't think I'd be able to eat it and was astonished when I loved it )--and of course mochi. But Indian food is second only to Middle Eastern food among my favorite cuisine (and, individually, paneer butter masala is probably my favorite food--though lamb shish kebab may be tied with it), and Thai is number four (after Ethiopian for number three). Vietnamese...it depends. I had this delicious Vietnamese lamb curry at a little hole-in-the-wall in Victoria, BC that was delicious, and this weird-but-good tapioca dumpling at another restaurant. But I'm less partial to it than I am the others.

 

[Guandao]

Korean food is definitely the weirdest in Asia. Korean barbecue isn't bad, and neither is royal court-style tteokbokki. And tteok and songpyeon are delicious--and rather similar to Japanese mochi. My parents really loved yuja cha, a tisane made from a citrus fruit called yuja (similar to a citron), but I prefer hyeonmi cha, rice tea, or bori cha, barley tea. The weirdest thing I had in Korea though was this drink--I have no idea what they called it or how they made it--but it tasted like cold pine needle tea. Which is probably exactly what it was. I love studying Korean history and culture, but...I can pass on the cuisine. My dad loved kimchi--me...I'll pass, thanks. Considering I was very young when I lived there, I'd like to think I'd be a little more open-minded to the food now, but I'm definitely not going to seek it out.

I like Chinese food so long as it's not too heavy on soy or fish sauce (meat rolls, dumplings, honey chicken, sesame chicken, orange chicken, honey walnut chicken, that sort of thing). Japanese I haven't had much of, but I like what they call "crab salad," which is really just raw crab claws in rice vinegar and crab roe (given that I hate seafood other than crab and shrimp, I really didn't think I'd be able to eat it and was astonished when I loved it )--and of course mochi. But Indian food is second only to Middle Eastern food among my favorite cuisine (and, individually, paneer butter masala is probably my favorite food--though lamb shish kebab may be tied with it), and Thai is number four (after Ethiopian for number three). Vietnamese...it depends. I had this delicious Vietnamese lamb curry at a little hole-in-the-wall in Victoria, BC that was delicious, and this weird-but-good tapioca dumpling at another restaurant. But I'm less partial to it than I am the others.

Now I'm curious about which part of the States you live in, considering you haven't ate much Japanese cuisine. Definitely not the west coast or NYC. I've barely ate Middle Eastern food (if that can be considered a single, unified cuisine). Never tried Ethiopian cuisine. I'm sure NYC has those, just never went out of my way to eat those cuisines.

 

[evanaurora]

Personally, I'd rather see a Mughal leader attached to India as it exists now and see India balkanized with a South Indian civ like Sri Lanka/Anuradhapura, Chola, or Sri Vijaya.

I think the Mughals might be better just because of the fact that they came later-- the game is so stacked with "ancient era" civs and there are so many more that I'd prioritize over the Tamils or the Sri Lankans to be added. But each of the ones you propose have tons of potential and would probably be very cool no matter what happens-- I just hope SOMETHING does.

 

[Vahnstad]

Mughals also have much more fame than those other civs.

 

[Ornen]

Personally, I'd rather see a Mughal leader attached to India as it exists now and see India balkanized with a South Indian civ like Sri Lanka/Anuradhapura, Chola, or Sri Vijaya.

I see the Mughals as being pretty distinct from India as represented in game. Rooted in a different region (modern Pakistan/Afghanistan) that isn't currently repped in Civ, historic peak at a different time in history (Civ's India has consistently been represented at Ancient and/or Modern), completely different political basis, completely different religious culture, substantially different culture as a whole.... I can see why Civ could conflate them with India, but I wouldn't expect them to do so, especially after making distinctions like Greece/Macedon and Germany/Austria/HRE.

 

[Guandao]

Mughals also have much more fame than those other civs.

Are they really that famous? Aside from the Taj Mahal. I'm not really familiar with the deeds of Akbar.

If they get added, we'll have another Persian speaking leader in the game.

 

[clapyourhands]

Mughals are a topic of elementary school world history in the US (or at least CA), so I would say they have good recognition.

 

[KnightModern]

Well, Southeast Asia was heavily influenced by Classical India. I think Malays today don't even realize that and would see Indians as foreigners. There's so many Sanskrit loanwords in Malay/Indonesian.

I don't know about malays in malaysia, but malays in Indonesia definitely know about indian influence
those candi in Java & Sumatra didn't built themselves

 

[Haig]

Anton Strenger said that 'the whole Firaxis team has worked hard for the expansion, artists, coders, Firaxis Lawyers ...'

I wonder what it means, maybe they have contacted some native people to include them in the game.