Battlefield Asia: The Mod(Idea Stage...comments please with cherrys on top..)

[Sword_Of_Geddon]

Well, I think its high time I tossed another idea out. I'm not abandoning my other projects, just bar with me here. Basically, when working on the ACM with Civarmy I figured that it would be cool to make mods of other less represented areas in the Civ-world.

The most prominent is East Asia, also known as the Orient.

Civs:

East Asian Culture Group:
Civ Special Units

China: Firelancer, Chu ku nu
Kantonese: ?
Japan: Samurai, Minamoto Samurai, Mounted Samurai
Korea: Hwacha, Turtleship, Hwarang Archer
RyuKu: ?
Emishi: ?

Nomadic Culture Group:

Mongolia: Horde, Horde Settler, Keshik
Tibet: Monk
Xioui-Nu: Rider
Huns: Hunnic Champion, Tarkan



S.East Asian Culture Group:

Malaysia: Keris, Axeman
Annam: Vietcong
Siam: Portuguese Mercanary, Siamese Swordsman
Kymer: ?
Burma: ?
Java: ?
India: Mahouts, Tiger Warrior
Napal: Gurkha
Kashimir: ?

Also India, Kymer, Annam, Napal, Siam and Burma will have the Elephent Line of units(Mahouts replace the War Elephent for India though), these replace the Horseman-Line.

Plus, there will be numerious flavor units, like the Japanese Menjii Rifleman for example.


As for the Tech tree, perhaps something different than the norm?

Also, Religion should be a big part I think, but how?

Wonders:

Wonder: Power:

Great Wall: Doubles combat against Barbarians, puts a wall in every city
Forbidden Palace: Counts as a second Palace
Sun Tzu's Art of War: Puts a Barracks in every city
The Silk Road: Pays for all Economic City improvements
The Journey West: ?
Porculain Tower: ?
Terra Cota: ?
Taj Mahal
Ankor Wat: Creates 2 happy faces in the city it is built in, and 1 happy face in all other citys on the same continent

Diabustu: Produces a Warrior Monk every 10 turns
Borobudur Temple: Doubles the effects of Temples
Tale of Genji: ?
The Golden Horde: Maybe strength bonus for units
Kubuki Theater: Same effect as Shakespeare's Theater.
Himeji Castle: ?
Changdeokgung Palace: ?
Asian Twin Towers: ?
Grand Canal: ?

 

[Goldflash]

Uh.. which Three Chinese Kingdoms? I think China should just be China and Korea should just be Korea.

Anyway. .we have five Culture groups. We use 'em all, or as many as we can, you hear?

East Asia:

China
Korea
Japan

Nomads:

Mongols
Uhigurs
Kara-Khitai
Xoing-Ni
Manchus

Southeast Asia

Malaysia
Annam
Siam
Khymer
Burma
Phillipenes

South Asia:

India
Tibet
Napal

 

[Sword_Of_Geddon]

China was composed of Three separate kingdoms orginally, and Korea has been two nations on two different occasions I believe(Choson-Koryo period and today respectively). I mainly separated them because of the lack of civs though. I think the three kingdoms were Wu, Jan, and Manchuria, but I'm no expert.

I can see the Nomads as their own group, but I'd have Tibet in the same group as China though.

 

[Dom Pedro II]

I'd say if it's more medieval, then include the various Chinese and Korean kingdoms, otherwise don't.

Also, is Xioui-Nu/Xoing-Nu the same thing as Hsung-Nu?

WTH is wrong with the English people?! One spelling! One spelling! I remember learning how they changed the name of Peking to Beijing so it would sound more similar to how the Chinese pronounce it... then who the hell was the moron who was writing down "P-E-K-I-N-G" but had to add: "Oh, by the way, that's pronounced Beijing." Or Mohammad and Muslim or Osama... how many different friggin' spellings do we have to have for each of those?


EDIT: Actually Korea had more like three or four kingdoms at one point. Also, there's the Sung Chinese, which I think is one of the kingdoms maybe?

 

[Sword_Of_Geddon]

Lol...I have absolutely no idea. Civarmy made a Xioug-Nu civ awile back though, thats where I got the name.

I think the mod will be Ancient to today. Its the most fun that way.

 

[Mongoloid Cow]

The Xiong-Nu are the same as the Hsiung-Nu which are the same as the Xioui-Nu. Xiong-Nu is probably the best spelling of it. The better spellings of other names on your list are: Mongolia, Uighuria, Manchuria (Mongols, Manchus and Uighurs should have -ia on the end instead of -s if you are dealing with a state / civ), and Qara-Khitai (Qara is more correct).

 

[ThomAnder]

For this mod, what time period are you referring to? There were 4 occasions that i can remember when china was divided among kingdoms. The first was the three kingdom period (3rd century) when Wu, Wei and Shu. The second was immediately after and lasted for several hundred years, when barbs from the north invaded (400-600). The third is in between Tang and Song (around 900-1000), that lasted a while too. Finally there's the last period (around 1100) when song occupied southern china, first Liao then Manchuria/their ancestors occupied the north and Xi Xia in the west.

I kinda agree with Goldflash with sticking to 1 china, and maybe call it Zhongguo or "Middle Kingdom". They really thought they were the centre of the world, hence the name.

 

[RedAlert]

I know Ogedei the Mad is also working on an east asian mod that shares some similarities to this, but is a bit more focused *Link*

It's all an interesting concept. Perhaps some ideas could be exchanged between the two mods?

 

[ShiroKobbure]

if your going to make it medievil it china should be one country or 2 countries, han china south and mongol controled china north, korea should be one country, japan should be 3 if its early medievil ryukyu kindom, japan controled by minamoto or ashikaga depending on how early you want it, and the emishi or ainu controling hokkaido and northern islands. if it takes place in the 1500s then japan is even more devided. I had an Idea like sengoku, but with a bigger map. from maybe japan to korea and china, hokkaido, okinawa.

 

[citizen001]

Didn't Dom Pedro II already make something like this? could get some ideas off him.

 

[Dom Pedro II]

Didn't Dom Pedro II already make something like this? could get some ideas off him.

I made a unit pack called Battlefield Asia. But there was no mod attached to it. It was just graphics.

 

[Sword_Of_Geddon]

But now I'm aiming to change that DPII...yessss

Anyway, I think I'll have two Chinas(China and Taiwan), one Japan, and one Korea. The Mod will trace Asian Civilization from its earliest moments to the present time, completely realisticly.

One thing I'll need some help is how to do the units, and technology could be a problem.

 

[Dom Pedro II]

But now I'm aiming to change that DPII...yessss

Anyway, I think I'll have two Chinas(China and Taiwan), one Japan, and one Korea. The Mod will trace Asian Civilization from its earliest moments to the present time, completely realisticly.

One thing I'll need some help is how to do the units, and technology could be a problem.

Well, let's get one thing straight though... the people of Taiwan are really not Chinese... the Chinese Nationalist government set itself up there because it had no where else to go, and they ruled the native people with a brutal fist. The government, while until recently was "Chinese" like a government in exile, the reality is that Taiwan was just an territorial holding of China before the Communists.

So I really don't think Taiwan should have Chiang Kai-Shek as a leader... I say make Taiwan independent of China, but don't make it a "second China". Having Chiang lead Taiwan is like having Petain France's leader in a mod. It's not representative of the whole history.

 

[bombshoo]

Well, let's get one thing straight though... the people of Taiwan are really not Chinese... the Chinese Nationalist government set itself up there because it had no where else to go, and they ruled the native people with a brutal fist. The government, while until recently was "Chinese" like a government in exile, the reality is that Taiwan was just an territorial holding of China before the Communists.

So I really don't think Taiwan should have Chiang Kai-Shek as a leader... I say make Taiwan independent of China, but don't make it a "second China". Having Chiang lead Taiwan is like having Petain France's leader in a mod. It's not representative of the whole history.

I'd say a closer deal would be Stalin ruling Russia, or Napoleon for France (both of which wouldn't bother me), I would think Chiang would work ok, true he doesn't represent the Taiwanese people, but hes the island's most prominent leader...plus we already have the head for him...Maybe Republic of China and People's Republic and Taiwan could also all be separate though...Maybe make one of the ancient kingdoms in the south evolve into the Republic of China, and one of the ancient or middle ages ones in the north turn into the PRC.

 

[Sword_Of_Geddon]

I don't know who else could be Taiwan's leader. Civarmy made Mr. Chang awile ago, and it would be a shame not to use it in the mod.

 

[ThomAnder]

Well, considering how this mod dates back a long time, i don't see any point in separating taiwan from china. Taiwan itself has a pretty short history and almost none in terms of significance until the 20th century. After they conquered it in the late 17th century, the Qing dynasty left it alone until the late 19th century. Taiwan should be taken by either China (since ppl from the nearby province migrated to Taiwan during Song period) or the polynesian/south asian people who first settled there and became the "natives" there. I go with Chinese because ethnically/culturally, it's clear who they're like more.

Any how, if you really want another leader, how about the pirate/fugitive (this depends on the perspective, to the Han people back then he was a hero) from Ming Dynasty who took Taiwan away from the Dutch? Think his name was Cheng Cheng-Kung.

 

[Sword_Of_Geddon]

Interesting...which already existing Asian Leaderhead resembles him the most?

 

[ShiroKobbure]

taiwanese people are mostly han chinese now, the real taiwanese are only 2 percent of the population and are polynesians from indonesia. But the ainu and ryukyu control larger land that the taiwanese are are of a totally different race than the yamato japanese, if your mod takes place from about 200s-300sad which is good, because thats when asia starts to look the way it does now. japan would be devided like this, yamato clan (future of japanese today) owns kyushu, shikoku, and honshu. you could add himikos amazon like state in kyushu, but she her empire lasts about 100s years and isnt that important. the emishi should be in hokkaido and northern islands, and maybe northern parts of honshu, as for ryukyu, i dont know much of their history, they appear in the 600s, but they would rule the islands from maybe amami to sakishima or okinawa the king would be King Shunten. korea should be devided into 2 countries, both existed around that time. and i think you should have siberan tribes.

 

[Sword_Of_Geddon]

The Mod will have every era of the Orient, from the ancient times to the modern era. I don't want to restrict it to one era because DPII and Bebro as well as others have done some decent Industrial and Modern Asian Units that I'd like to use.

 

[ShiroKobbure]

i mean as a starting time, you shouldnt have it start before 200bc or so becuase the clans and people wouldnt have been formed yet. a good starting date would be 0bc or 200s bc