battles against all odds

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well i dont have my history book.........so i cant posta poll, can yall tell me which ones do yall think are teh biggest battles against odds ex. teh alamo, the spartan hold against the immortals, etc.

after i get some re-plys ill posta new thread w/ teh poll, thanks
 
In the 1860's when the French tried to take over Mexico, a small detachment of the French Foreign Legion was trapped in a fort and was attacked by Mexicans. If anyone knows any specifics about his incident let me know.

Isandlwana (sp?) was also a good example of a battle against the odds.
 
Originally posted by napoleon526
Isandlwana (sp?) was also a good example of a battle against the odds.

You mean Roarkes Drift do you not, which occured shortly after Isandwana.
 
Originally posted by Lefty Scaevola
You mean Roarkes Drift do you not, which occured shortly after Isandwana.
Did all the British troops at Rourke's Drift die, or they hold out? I'm pretty sure all the Brits attacked at Isandlwana were killed, Little Bighorn-style.
 
Isandwana was nearly 2000 brits and auxillieries getting wiped out.

Roarke's Drift was around 100 such holding out .
 
Originally posted by napoleon526
In the 1860's when the French tried to take over Mexico, a small detachment of the French Foreign Legion was trapped in a fort and was attacked by Mexicans. If anyone knows any specifics about his incident let me know.

Isandlwana (sp?) was also a good example of a battle against the odds.

I think this is what you're talking about:

On April 30, 1863, at the Camerone Hacienda near Puebla, 3 officers and 62 legionnaires resisted 2,000 Mexicans. After a day of heroic fighting the last five survivors fixed bayonets and charged.

This battle, whose name adorns every Legion flag, remains the symbol of a mission carried out to the bitter end.


And don't anyone forget the Battle of Agincourt, either.
 
And now for one for the least known ones : - :)

Sometime after the Three Kingdoms era in China (around the 3rd - 4th century AD), an Eastern Jin army of about 50000 infantry held and routed an army fr the steppes numbering about 200000 horsemen/horse archers, somewhere in North China. Normally if the odds are the other way round, it would still be normal for the nomads to win (due to superior mobility and natural hardihood of nomads).... :eek:

It was the last time a Chinese army defeated the nomads, until the restoration of the Empire under the Sui a few centuries later.
 
May, 1942: The Battle of Salween Gorge. Badly outnumbered Chinese troops backed up by two squadrons of the "Flying Tigers" volunteers stopped the Japanese invasion of southern China at the Salween river on the China-Burma border.
 
Another from the Three Kingdoms era...

Guandu

Cao Cao with a force of 70,000 elite troops, managed to defeat a staggering force of 700,000.

On the other end..later down the road at Chibi, Cao Cao would suffer a defeat with the odds being in the opposite direction.
 
The Battle of Thermopylae.

No precise data to impress you but it was truely one of the greatest displays of heroism in history.
 
I think some Israeli battle (both of modern and ancinet Israels) should be in there... I'm just not sure which is the best. Too many to choose from.
 
Originally posted by G-Man
I think some Israeli battle (both of modern and ancinet Israels) should be in there... I'm just not sure which is the best. Too many to choose from.
I agree. I just read an article on the seizing of the Golan heights during the 1967 war. The Israelis took the heights with very few casualties, even thought the Syrians were entrenched on high ground. This was in part due to the their commander, Ariel Sharon, who was an effective battlefield general, no matter what you might think of his politics.
 
Oh yes, the battles of the IDF deserve mentioning.

But perhaps also the Battle of Austerlitz deserves mentioning, who would know such superior coalition forces could lose so spectacularly to Napoleon?
 
Originally posted by insurgent
Oh yes, the battles of the IDF deserve mentioning.

But perhaps also the Battle of Austerlitz deserves mentioning, who would know such superior coalition forces could lose so spectacularly to Napoleon?
Actually, it really was no contest. About half of Napoleon's troops were veterans of the wars of the revolution, and all of them had been training for two years at the camp near Boulonge in preparation for an invasion of England. They benefitted from the improved French logistical system and bought food from local farmers to avoid lengthy baggage trains common in ancien regime armies.

The main reason, though, for the third coalition's defeat was the fact that they were still fighting an eighteenth century war. Tsar Alexander didn't expect for Napoleon to advance in the winter, since armies usually set up quarters and waited until spring. French tactics also emphasized mutual support between infantry, cavalry, and artillery, and permanent orginization above the brigade level (division, corps) allowed all three arms to function cooperately. Conversely, the allied armies had no permanent orginizational levels higher than the regiment, so it was difficult for units to be coordinated or supported on the battlefield. On the few occasions when the Russian or Austrian achieved a success, no other troops were availible to support them due to faulty communication.

So basically, the outcome of the clash between Napoleon and Alexander would have not changed had circumstances changed slightly, although it was a masterwork of genius the way Napoleon invited the Russians to attack him by abandoning the high ground on the Pratzen Heights. When the Russian I, II, and III columns moved off the heights to attack Napoleon's right flank, Soult's corps re-occupied them and destroyed the entire allied left wing from behind. Had Bernadotte not lagged when releasing his corps into action, the entire coaltion army would have been destroyed.
 
Battle of Wake Island may bear mentioning.

US Marines actually beat back an invasion early in the war. The Japanese had to fall back and return with even more firepower IIRC.
 
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