barbslinger
Gun blast'n shot drinker
Hopefully we can get this game rolling again. It looks like a settling, working, legion building festival. Are we going to try and beeline to monarchy so hopefully try and have our GA not in depotism?
Bede01:Funny thing happened...
- Thread starter Bede
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scoutsout
Minstrel Boy
My $0.02: we might want to think about Republic... if we research writing and decide we need galleys, it will be easy enough to switch to Map Making... I don't really like the fact that we haven't met any other AI at this stage... the lands to the south and east don't seem to hold anything but barbs, and I'd be surprised if there was much more land to the north. This is a continents map, so there should be at least one other landmass...
I would be singing a different tune if we had met at least one other AI civ at this point...
Wait a second... scratch much of that... we can build Curraughs with Alphabet... though it will probably take several suicide curraughs, even if we do find a strait somewhere....
Edit - I'm just 'thinking out loud'
The now corruption-free corruption save
Bede01 Replay
3000BC
No change
Rome settler-granary
2950
As writ
2850
Found Veii. Start granary.
2710
Arabs haven't busted barb camp yet, so no deal for Alphabet.
Arabs also have Mysticism now.
2630
As writ
Haven't sent any warriors to explore south as three barbs are hanging about the Wolf Peaks.
No deal for Alphabet
2470
Abu now has Masonry
2350
Abu has pillaged barb camp
Do the Alphabet for Bronze + 25g deal
2270
As writ
Patzinal barbs on the move finally, chasing after Abu's boys.
2230-1910
Not much to report
Antium founded 1 turn later. Worker improving Veii rather than Rome.
Barbarians came out the south and reinforced the Pazinal who are watching from the Wolf Peaks.
1910-1550
Took a different path.
No exploring to the south as Arabs stayed in the north and west Barbarians of different types kept showing up around Rome and I didn't want to risk being pillaged with all the gold we'd accumulated. Kept two in garrison and sent two to dance with the Arabs. Put more worker turns into developing Veii instead of Rome. Rome now has a barracks and by the time Math comes in will have at least 176 shields in the box towards the SoZ, so should be able to finish SoZ in 3 or less. Now as long as there isn't a Shaka who knows how to count in the jungle with elephants.
Veii is set to grow in 3 and equip a settler in 6 at pop4. Settler factory consultants will want to adjust to get optimum production. The 1spt lost to corruption is definitely slowing things down.
Arab warrior and settler pair are blockaded N of Mecca.
quoth barbslinger:
It looks like a settling, working, legion building festival. Are we going to try and beeline to monarchy so hopefully try and have our GA not in depotism?
end quoth
If we manage the SoZ won't need Legions to knock a hole in the Arabs. Could probably do it with AC and archers if we wanted to, while beelining to Republic and settling the south. Be nice if we could be in Republic circa 500BC.
quoth scoutsout:
if we research writing and decide we need galleys, it will be easy enough to switch to Map Making... I don't really like the fact that we haven't met any other AI at this stage... the lands to the south and east don't seem to hold anything but barbs, and I'd be surprised if there was much more land to the north. This is a continents map, so there should be at least one other landmass...
end quoth
Already have writing, running best reasonable pace to match pre-build at Rome with learning Maths for SoZ. I'm betting that the AI are to the NE behind the jungle and are running into barb trouble trying to get across the choke. The Arabs have been sending troops that way but none have returned. Probably time for a "confirm or deny" expedition.
Bede01 Replay
3000BC
No change
Rome settler-granary
2950
As writ
2850
Found Veii. Start granary.
2710
Arabs haven't busted barb camp yet, so no deal for Alphabet.
Arabs also have Mysticism now.
2630
As writ
Haven't sent any warriors to explore south as three barbs are hanging about the Wolf Peaks.
No deal for Alphabet
2470
Abu now has Masonry
2350
Abu has pillaged barb camp
Do the Alphabet for Bronze + 25g deal
2270
As writ
Patzinal barbs on the move finally, chasing after Abu's boys.
2230-1910
Not much to report
Antium founded 1 turn later. Worker improving Veii rather than Rome.
Barbarians came out the south and reinforced the Pazinal who are watching from the Wolf Peaks.
1910-1550
Took a different path.
No exploring to the south as Arabs stayed in the north and west Barbarians of different types kept showing up around Rome and I didn't want to risk being pillaged with all the gold we'd accumulated. Kept two in garrison and sent two to dance with the Arabs. Put more worker turns into developing Veii instead of Rome. Rome now has a barracks and by the time Math comes in will have at least 176 shields in the box towards the SoZ, so should be able to finish SoZ in 3 or less. Now as long as there isn't a Shaka who knows how to count in the jungle with elephants.
Veii is set to grow in 3 and equip a settler in 6 at pop4. Settler factory consultants will want to adjust to get optimum production. The 1spt lost to corruption is definitely slowing things down.
Arab warrior and settler pair are blockaded N of Mecca.
quoth barbslinger:
It looks like a settling, working, legion building festival. Are we going to try and beeline to monarchy so hopefully try and have our GA not in depotism?
end quoth
If we manage the SoZ won't need Legions to knock a hole in the Arabs. Could probably do it with AC and archers if we wanted to, while beelining to Republic and settling the south. Be nice if we could be in Republic circa 500BC.
quoth scoutsout:
if we research writing and decide we need galleys, it will be easy enough to switch to Map Making... I don't really like the fact that we haven't met any other AI at this stage... the lands to the south and east don't seem to hold anything but barbs, and I'd be surprised if there was much more land to the north. This is a continents map, so there should be at least one other landmass...
end quoth
Already have writing, running best reasonable pace to match pre-build at Rome with learning Maths for SoZ. I'm betting that the AI are to the NE behind the jungle and are running into barb trouble trying to get across the choke. The Arabs have been sending troops that way but none have returned. Probably time for a "confirm or deny" expedition.
barbslinger
Gun blast'n shot drinker
Alrighty then! Who's up? Bugs?
Sir Bugsy
Civ.D.
Scout is up. If he can play by Saturday afternoon, I'll have it back to slinger by Sunday evening.
Cuivienen
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I'm sorry I missed all that chaos caused by my Conquests -- I've figured what went worng in my own files. At one point, I accidentally gifted Alphabet to the Arabs rather than trade it for BW, so I chose to reload the save from an Autosave -- which took my low-corruption .biq and used it as a template, removing (virtually) all corruption from the game. Being rather annoyed by this turn of events, I figured that I should reinstall the game entirely -- which I have done and will cause no more problems in any SGs. Sorry about that, folks!
(And, for the future, just load an non-corrupt save from an Autosave on a .biq with corruption and corruption will be back in the game. Odd feature.)
Sorry again! *Goes to post apology in Sling2, also*
(And, for the future, just load an non-corrupt save from an Autosave on a .biq with corruption and corruption will be back in the game. Odd feature.)
Sorry again! *Goes to post apology in Sling2, also*
barbslinger
Gun blast'n shot drinker
Purrrrfect :folding hands in front of face:
Thank god it was easy for you to figure out Cuivienen. We're ready to rock!
scoutsout
Minstrel Boy
"Got it."
scoutsout
Minstrel Boy
Research question:
I can buy Myst from Abu for 260g+5gpt, or a straigh-up trade for Math. Researching it at 10% gets it in 50, researching at 40% gets it in 16.
What's the consensus of the Team? I don't want to give up math on the Chance that Abu has an Ivory stashed away somewhere...
What's your pleasure?
I can buy Myst from Abu for 260g+5gpt, or a straigh-up trade for Math. Researching it at 10% gets it in 50, researching at 40% gets it in 16.
What's the consensus of the Team? I don't want to give up math on the Chance that Abu has an Ivory stashed away somewhere...
What's your pleasure?
scoutsout
Minstrel Boy
...nevermind the Ivory concern with Abu... I just wasted 3 shields building SoZ...
Sir Bugsy
Civ.D.
%^&&%$#((!!!!!!!:saiyan: :rant: 
Talk about your lousy planning!!! THREE SHIELDS!! 
Talk about timing something perfectly.
Bede and Scout
Talk about your lousy planning!!! THREE SHIELDS!! Talk about timing something perfectly.
Bede and Scout
Never mind...
Queries and admonition:
If he knows it, don't research it.
Start on Philo at 100% if it shortens the research time and we have the gold.
What's the build time on the SoZ?
Can we get cash from Abu for math? Empty his treasury plus gpt?
Diplo screen under lux tab should show if Abu has ivory hooked up.
scoutsout
Minstrel Boy
Turn 0/1550 BC
Pre-Flight Check: Modest corruption, got the right save...
MM Citizen in Veii to get Settler in 4 instead of 6 (Hate to sacrifice growth, but Settler will be equipped the same turn as growth...)
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IBT - Arab Settler Pair moves N
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Turn 1/1525 BC
Worker has finished irrigating near Veii, move to build road towards Antium
Wake Warriors to maneuver blockade
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IBT - Arab Settler Pair moves E
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Turn 2/1500 BC
...take a small gamble... one Regular warrior out of Rome to forest to draw Barbs off Wolf Mountains
Worker begins road to Antium
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IBT - Arab Settler Pair moves W
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Turn 3/1475 BC
Move warrior back to road
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IBT - Arab Settler Pair moves E
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Turn 4/1450 BC
Veii has equipped a Settler, who moves SW
Return Warrior to Rome and fortify
Warriors continue to dance with Arab Settler Pair
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IBT - Arab Settler Pair moves E, 5 Barb Warriors move in the East...
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Turn 5/1425 BC
Settler SW, Warriors dance...
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IBT - Arab Settler Pair moves W
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Turn 6/1400 BC
Warriors Dance
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IBT - Arab Settler Pair moves E
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Turn 7/1375 BC
Cumae is founded, queue set to warrior
A second Arab Settler pair is spotted S-SE of Cumae
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IBT - Arab Settler Pair moves N
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Turn 8/1350 BC
Antium Granary>Warrior
Worker completes road
Rome now size 6, move lux to 30% (!) MM Worker from lake to Forest, Pyramids in 28 instead of 34 (Math in 10) Science to 70% (-4 gpt) to get math in 9, just in case
MM Antium to get warrior in 2 not 4
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IBT - Antium Riots
(Sorry team, gotta get Gengis' smiley icons...)
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Turn 9/1325 BC
Veii has grown, MM Citizen for Settler in 3 not 4
Warriors dance
Move worker to mine near Rome
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IBT - Order restored in Antium, and it is now roaded...Arab pair moves E... dangit.
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Turn 10 1300 BC
Worker to Irrigate between Antium and Veii
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IBT - Arab pair moves NW
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Turn 11/1275 BC
Warriors stand pat
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IBT - Arabs found a city on northern coast (in a lousy spot)
Veii Settler>Worker
Antium Warrior>Settler
The Arabs are building The Temple of Artemis
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Turn 12/1250 BC
Move Settler, Warriors
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IBT - Abu complains about our troops near Najran
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Turn 13/1225 BC
Move Warriors, Settler
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IBT - nada
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Turn 14/1200 BC
Move some workers/warriors
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IBT - nada
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Turn 15/1175 BC
Neaopolis is founded by the sea, set to Warrior
Put a warrior in Cumae
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IBT - nada
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Turn 16/1150 BC
...moved a worker...
moved a warrior out of Neaopolis to scout around...
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IBT - We discover the secrets of Mathematics
Veii Worker>Worker
Cumae Warrior>Temple
Our warrior scouting north draws barbs northward...
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Turn 17/1125 BC
moved some workers, wasted 3 shields building SoZ
Trade Mathematics to Arabs for Mysticism + 50g (wouldn't do GPT), Abu is up Polytheism.
Set research to Philosophy @ 70%, lux @ 30%, Philosophy in 14 turns.
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IBT - We build the Statue of Zeus in Rome
Rome Zeus>Spear
barbs move northward...
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Turn 18/1100 BC
put a couple workers to work...
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IBT - barbs move northward...
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Turn 19/1075 BC
Moved a warrior to scout
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IBT - 5 barbs move toward Rome
Rome Spear>Settler (2)
Antium Settler>Warrior
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Turn 20/1050 BC, moved a settler pair out of Antium, moved scouting warrior north
End of log, here's the >> 1050 SAVE <<
Pre-Flight Check: Modest corruption, got the right save...
MM Citizen in Veii to get Settler in 4 instead of 6 (Hate to sacrifice growth, but Settler will be equipped the same turn as growth...)
=====
IBT - Arab Settler Pair moves N
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Turn 1/1525 BC
Worker has finished irrigating near Veii, move to build road towards Antium
Wake Warriors to maneuver blockade
=====
IBT - Arab Settler Pair moves E
=====
Turn 2/1500 BC
...take a small gamble... one Regular warrior out of Rome to forest to draw Barbs off Wolf Mountains
Worker begins road to Antium
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IBT - Arab Settler Pair moves W
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Turn 3/1475 BC
Move warrior back to road
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IBT - Arab Settler Pair moves E
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Turn 4/1450 BC
Veii has equipped a Settler, who moves SW
Return Warrior to Rome and fortify
Warriors continue to dance with Arab Settler Pair
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IBT - Arab Settler Pair moves E, 5 Barb Warriors move in the East...
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Turn 5/1425 BC
Settler SW, Warriors dance...
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IBT - Arab Settler Pair moves W
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Turn 6/1400 BC
Warriors Dance
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IBT - Arab Settler Pair moves E
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Turn 7/1375 BC
Cumae is founded, queue set to warrior
A second Arab Settler pair is spotted S-SE of Cumae
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IBT - Arab Settler Pair moves N
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Turn 8/1350 BC
Antium Granary>Warrior
Worker completes road
Rome now size 6, move lux to 30% (!) MM Worker from lake to Forest, Pyramids in 28 instead of 34 (Math in 10) Science to 70% (-4 gpt) to get math in 9, just in case
MM Antium to get warrior in 2 not 4
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IBT - Antium Riots
(Sorry team, gotta get Gengis' smiley icons...)=====
Turn 9/1325 BC
Veii has grown, MM Citizen for Settler in 3 not 4
Warriors dance
Move worker to mine near Rome
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IBT - Order restored in Antium, and it is now roaded...Arab pair moves E... dangit.
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Turn 10 1300 BC
Worker to Irrigate between Antium and Veii
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IBT - Arab pair moves NW
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Turn 11/1275 BC
Warriors stand pat
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IBT - Arabs found a city on northern coast (in a lousy spot)
Veii Settler>Worker
Antium Warrior>Settler
The Arabs are building The Temple of Artemis
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Turn 12/1250 BC
Move Settler, Warriors
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IBT - Abu complains about our troops near Najran
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Turn 13/1225 BC
Move Warriors, Settler
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IBT - nada
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Turn 14/1200 BC
Move some workers/warriors
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IBT - nada
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Turn 15/1175 BC
Neaopolis is founded by the sea, set to Warrior
Put a warrior in Cumae
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IBT - nada
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Turn 16/1150 BC
...moved a worker...
moved a warrior out of Neaopolis to scout around...
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IBT - We discover the secrets of Mathematics
Veii Worker>Worker
Cumae Warrior>Temple
Our warrior scouting north draws barbs northward...
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Turn 17/1125 BC
moved some workers, wasted 3 shields building SoZ
Trade Mathematics to Arabs for Mysticism + 50g (wouldn't do GPT), Abu is up Polytheism.
Set research to Philosophy @ 70%, lux @ 30%, Philosophy in 14 turns.
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IBT - We build the Statue of Zeus in Rome
Rome Zeus>Spear
barbs move northward...
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Turn 18/1100 BC
put a couple workers to work...
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IBT - barbs move northward...
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Turn 19/1075 BC
Moved a warrior to scout
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IBT - 5 barbs move toward Rome
Rome Spear>Settler (2)
Antium Settler>Warrior
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Turn 20/1050 BC, moved a settler pair out of Antium, moved scouting warrior north
End of log, here's the >> 1050 SAVE <<
scoutsout
Minstrel Boy
Sir Bugsy
Civ.D.
Good turns. I've got it. Dispatches by Saturday evening at the latest.
scoutsout
Minstrel Boy
I don't know if this is "normal" barbarian activity at this level or not... I do know that barbs get a combat 'bonus' at this level, so I was a little reluctant to engage the barbs. I would have preferred to build an archer instead of a spear in Rome, but I think we should probably consider escorting settlers with spears while there are packs of 3 and 5 barbs wandering outside Rome.
I apologize for letting Antium slip into disorder... hopefully I made up for that by getting SoZ a turn earlier with the science slider... I also fumbled one worker move... I'm workin' on it...
We might be able to farm some elite units with a little barb hunting here and there...
I sent one warrior north to do some scouting, leaving Neopolis undefended for the moment... that's a bit of a risk... but... nothing ventured, nothing gained...
I apologize for letting Antium slip into disorder... hopefully I made up for that by getting SoZ a turn earlier with the science slider... I also fumbled one worker move... I'm workin' on it...
We might be able to farm some elite units with a little barb hunting here and there...
I sent one warrior north to do some scouting, leaving Neopolis undefended for the moment... that's a bit of a risk... but... nothing ventured, nothing gained...
Looks like friend Abu is hastening towards monarchy.
Pericles: Kings are earth's gods; in vice their law's their will.
and
ROSENCRANTZ: Never alone
did the king sigh, but with a general groan
and finally:
KING RICHARD: What must the king do now? Must he submit?
The king shall do it: must he be depos'd?
The king shall be contented: must he lose
The name of king? A God's name, let it go.
I'll give my jewels for a set of beads,
My gorgeous palace for a hermitage,
My gay apparel for an almsman's gown,
My figur'd goblets for a dish of wood,
My sceptre for a palmer's walking staff,
My subjects for a pair of carved saints,
And my large kingdom for a little grave,
A little little grave, an obscure grave;
Or I'll be buried in the king's highway,
Some way of common trade, where subjects' feet
May hourly trample on their sovereign's head;
For on my heart they tread now whilst I live,
And buried once, why not upon my head?
barbslinger
Gun blast'n shot drinker
Crowding Abu against his capital is going to tork him off and I think our ony weapon is warriors Hopefully he does not get antsy for the next 11 turns or his archer rush will crush us. If you can swing a trade for WC I would. Then we can get first shot at his archers. I'd like a little insurance in case he decides to take our towns. If he is out of living space to the west he will be mad.
I see we are building a warrior in Antium with no rax.
Good luck Bugs! Looking forward to getting this game on its feet.
I see we are building a warrior in Antium with no rax.
Good luck Bugs! Looking forward to getting this game on its feet.
