Bede01:Funny thing happened...

[Bede]

Um...since I'm from Florida, can I change my vote?

Is that the sound of a hanging chad?
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Bugs


Chad, who's Chad? And, why is he being executed?

@scout
I can always count you as half votes: 1/2 for conquest, 1/2 for Space?

 

[scoutsout]

Well... I was just thinkin'... since we're being all diplomatic and all... why don't we allow the UN to be built.

And then sack it.

...and why don't we let the AI build a couple of spaceships...

And sack those too.

Why don't we get the full benefit of going commie, and drag this war into a state of being. A never-ending slugfest that brings out all the toys, and I mean, let's play with all the toys. Modern Armor. Radar Arty. AEGIS Cruisers. Stealth Aircraft. I mean, let's go whole hog into hammer mode. I want all the toys I haven't seen since Chieftain. Let's make it so ridiculous that lurkers have to download a stinkin' save file to make sure it's not a Chieftain level game.

 

[Bede]

Well... I was just thinkin'... since we're being all diplomatic and all... why don't we allow the UN to be built.

And then sack it.

...and why don't we let the AI build a couple of spaceships...

And sack those too.

Why don't we get the full benefit of going commie, and drag this war into a state of being. A never-ending slugfest that brings out all the toys, and I mean, let's play with all the toys. Modern Armor. Radar Arty. AEGIS Cruisers. Stealth Aircraft. I mean, let's go whole hog into hammer mode. I want all the toys I haven't seen since Chieftain. Let's make it so ridiculous that lurkers have to download a stinkin' save file to make sure it's not a Chieftain level game.

groucho

Scout,
That post is worth four votes right there. Consider it done.

Ok crew, make it so!!

 

[Cuivienen]

Having not posted yet, I'll post now -- I agree entirely with scout! I haven't seen the SDS built since I passed Warlord difficulty. Completely annihilate the AIs! Power trip!

 

[Sir Bugsy]

I think we're going to end up feeling like a cat playing with a mouse.

 

[Sir Bugsy]

Bede 01 Log – We have an alliance with the Iroquois and the Egyptians against the Americans.

Sell Electricity to the Iroquois for Refining, 161gpt, 801G & WM. We have three oil, one is right next to Anjar, the Arab city in the desert. (remember that conversation scout?)

Cleo is broke so we don’t sell her anything.

We have an average military compared with the Americans.

Scout – in order to quell resistance you have to have at least one unit in a city. If it flipps you lose one unit. Obsolete units are great for quelling duty. A warrior will quell the same amount as a Modern Armor.

Wake up four warriors to ship over to America.

We will stage our communist revolution as soon as US completes.

MM some cities for slightly better production. Example by swapping tile between Pisae and Palmyra, Pisae reaches 40 spt which is a cav every two turns. MM Mecca to get US in 6 turns.

So one hour later, here we go…

IBT – A pirate sinks a galleon.
Build a temple in Boston, two cavs, a factor, a bank, and two cop shops.

1. 1405 AD – Sink the pirate. Scout, we shouldn’t plant a forest on grassland.

Bombard Washington. Abe is whipping the city. It lost pop 3 over the IBT. Set up to attack next turn.

IBT – Renew peace with Cleo.
Build a cav and a market.

2. 1410 AD - @ Washington kill two defenders and retreat from two. We need some more units on the American front.

IBT – We go 3 for 5 at the gates of Washington. Unfortunately we lose our cav army and one of the healthy cavs.
America and Egypt sign a peace treaty.
Renew a peace treaty with Hiawatha.
Build three cavs and two barracks.

3. 1415 AD – Lots of workers to manage. MM Mecca to keep the US in 3, but stop losing food.
Drop off a boatload of warrior for MP duty in America.

Spend over 3600G hurrying a bunch of courthouses and cop shops. We still have 1873G left.

Dial up Cleo and pull her back into the war for iron. That should keep her faithful.

IBT – No counter attack. Build a bunch of stuff. Redirecting citizens takes a long time.

4. 1420 AD – Unload two boatloads of fresh troops in New Orleans. I’m going to plan a fighting a holding action until after the glorious communist revolution.

IBT – Abe maneuvers some guerillas around our front lines, but doesn’t attack.
Build five cavs, a bank and a barracks.

5. 1425 AD – Lots of worker movement.

IBT – Abe sends a single guerilla across our lines.
Universal Sufferage is built.

6. 1430 AD – The people decide to overthrow the government. Six turns of anarchy.

Bombard the guerilla to red. Lose a cav killing the bum.

Pick off two wounded guerillas.

IBT – The remaining guerillas run from the front.

7. 1435 AD – Pillage some terrain around Washington.

IBT – Abe sends a frigate and a galleon into the Japan straits.

8. 1440 AD – Bombard the shipping. Sink the galleon and loose a galleon to the frigate.

Load up an army with infantry and start marching on Washington.

9. 1445 AD – Artillery wounds to at least yellow every defender of Washington. Time for attack. Rifles killed: 6 Losses: 4 Promotions: 2
Washington is captured along with 11 slaves.

Notice that Abe lost Philadelphia last turn. America will probably start to fold.

IBT – Wine for Spices & Ivory deal with Cleo expires. Cleo wants refining and electronics for wines. I end up giving her dyes, spices, and 54gpt.

10. 1450 AD –

After Action Report – We are almost ready for the great People’s Republic of Rome.

The city we need to capture to shorten our supply line is Detroit.

The other three civs are all Fascist.

Save: http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads7/Bede_01,_1450_AD.SAV

 

[Bede]

Order of go:
barbslinger-up
Cuivienen-on deck
Bede-watching the fun
scoutsout-recovering his equanimty
Sir Bugsy-played a fine set

 

[scoutsout]

We have three oil, one is right next to Anjar, the Arab city in the desert. (remember that conversation scout?)

I seem to remember you bet there would be salt under the city. After surviving the little furball in Bugs1, I think I'll settle for a six of IBC Root Beer...

 

[Sir Bugsy]

One beer chit going to scout.

 

[barbslinger]

Just got back from Los Angeles After seeing the Laker-Wolves game. I'll play tonight. Scout can have my beer too. I'm beered out.

 

[barbslinger]

I only played 3 turns. Washington flipped and recaptured. SF and Leos is ours. Hadrian rushed the SPHC in Byzantine. I'll have to finish tonight.
Again I want to apologize for the delay. A friend from San Jose came down with Laker tix Tuesday and it was a 2 day extravaganza. I'll be able to finish tonight.

 

[Sir Bugsy]

Figured Washington was going to flip. Hopefully we only lost one defender. I'd plan on it flipping at least one more time.

I used to think that flipping was a bunch of nonsense. But after seeing what happened in Iraq over the last month, I don't anymore

 

[barbslinger]

Upon recapture it was down to 4 pop. It only lost one unit. I felt the flip coming too. It still only has one defender. Taking SF and Egypt taking Detroit helps the culture factor a bit. I think it will remain ours. I'm more worried about SF at 8 pop flipping right now. It has only one defender right now too.

 

[Sir Bugsy]

So Slinger, what do you think of Communism? What is the corruption like? If it is too much, try disbanding some of our weak cities.

 

[barbslinger]

When it came through we we're at 10.0.0. No research or lux and we're only making 94gpt. That was in anarchy though. After we came out we we're making 781gpt. We are now researching radio in 6 turns at 100% losing around 180gpt with over 5000 in the bank. I haven't gone through sample cities yet.

 

[scoutsout]

This ought to be fun. My only experiment with commie was back in my Regent/Egypt/shameless builder days. At 0% research and 0% lux my treasury was losing 600gpt. (Like I said - "shameless builder"...)

 

[Sir Bugsy]

781 gpt - so it hasn't killed our economy. The corruption is the tricky part. With a certain amount of cities, every city will kick but. With the addition of every city over that, the corruption in every city increases.

 

[barbslinger]

Bede01- Romans – 1450AD
Preturn – 2 turns from commie life. My understanding is that we are going for conquest now but want to see every tech, unit and building. Looks like some cities are starving. I try to fix them all but pollution is hampering my efforts. I’ll get some workers available after the IT. Last report has Detroit being the next city to go after to shorten the supply line.

IT – Egypt takes Detroit. Anjar completes Rax > Cav for now.

[1] 1455 – Take SF with 1 loss right under Egypts noses. They had left SF defense with damage.

IT – Out of anarchy and into communism! No losses.

[2] 1460 - The worst corruption I see is 33%. It really looks great compared to other governments. There is a lot of tile rearranging for optimization that needs to be done. With the lack of corruption most towns are only losing 2-3 shields. We have 24 towns doing 10+shields and 11 doing 20+. I do a lot of city pop movement to various specialists and other items. Workers going at it. Rome makes 72spt for armies in 6 now. We’re at 5997g and –218 for radio in 6.

IT – Abe offers Cincinnati and 5 workers for peace. Nope. Viro-Cav>StkX, Veii-Cav>Hosp, Byz-SPHC>Factory (there is n corruption at all there), Palmrya-Cav>Cav, Selucia-Rax>Duct. We catch Hiawatha trying to plant a spy. I lose a warrior that I was trying to get to SF.

[3] 1465 – Lose a 4/5 cav trying to kill a 1 /4 Guerrilla. Kill him with next vet cav. Just notice that we have 2 beautiful armies stranded in Japan. Swapped the intelligence agency to Mecca to get it in 7 instead of 16. Move some artillery near St. Louis with army to begin bombardment.

IT – American guerrilla and rifle land in Japan. No flips but starvation is progressing nicely. Cumae (40spt)-Cav>Cav, Ravenna-Cav>Factory. Aurel-Inf>Factory, Buto-Aque>Lib.

[4] 1470AD – Combat says around 80% attacking rifle on mountain. I’ll let them come down out of the mountains.Looks like we can get factories rolling in quite a few cities now. St. Louis only has 2 rifles in town and they are 3hp and 2 hp. I have 7 cavs but 4 just arrived and others are healing. I trade WM with Cleo to see IRO and Cleo has nearly railed their countries. Still revamping tiles with workers.

IT – SF flips with a legion and a healing cav in it. Pompeii-Hosp>Factory ( possibly change because this is looking more like a fishing village), Battle Med message. Hispalis-Cav>Hosp, Brund-Cav>Hosp, Bagacum-Mkt>Temple for expansion, looks like good fishing here too. American invaders do come down off the mountain.

[5] 1475 – Reclaim SF. No losses. It is now 2 pop. Have to wait 1 turn on St. Louis. Intruders die to our 2 armies in Japan. Swapped a couple of builds. Radio in 3. Iro’s have steel but won’t give it up for 5300g and rubber which he lacks. H’mmm I wonder who is next? Looks like Iro’s took Atlanta.

IT – St. Louis was attacked by someone. They are weaker. Antium-Cath>StkX, Pisae-Cath>Cav, Palmyra-Cav>Cav, Jerusalum-Mkt> Bank, Nico-Bank>Granary.

[6] 1480 – Swap Cumae to BatMed. We bomb and take St. Louis losing 3 cav against 1 hp rifles. It will flip with 11 pop so a guerrilla is stationed there. We can now do radio in 2 at 80% or –31gpt. Abe is down to 4 cities.

IT – We lose fur deal with Cleo and she does not want to deal. Rome flames and I scroll the rest, around 6 towns. Veii-Hosp> Cath, SF flips again!!! With pop 2. Neapolis-Fact>StkX, Artaxata-Lib> Market, Sirmium-Granary>Temple.

[7] 1485 – Retake SF and it is now pop 1. Renegotiate for gems to Hiawata for spice, dye and ivory. If he ever declares it’s going to hurt him. Radio due this turn.

IT – Steel comes in and I trade it to the IRO’s for steel, furs and 600g. I select IC’s because he has to researching Combustion. I’m going to investigate a city. Damascus-Lib>Bank, Pisae-Cav>Cav, St. Louis-Wkr>Wkr, Syacuse-Factory>Granary, Ceasarea-Inf>Hospital, Hippo-Galleon>Aque.

[8] 1490 – Not much. Rome is up to 74spt and will go to 82 once we build a colloseum or some other happy building. IC’s in 4 at 70% at +123gpt.

IT – Abe picked Atlanta and Philly back up while Hiawatha took NY. Rome Army>Colloseum in 2 then back to army. Viro-StkX>Cath, Mpondo-Temple>court, Palmyra-Cav>Cav. Cyrene-Aqueduct>Market, Treveri-Court>Mkt.

[9] 1495 – Investigate Salamanca. 1 turn cavs and 60% research. Mainly revamping tiles. There is a pile of artillery ready to shell Seattle.

IT – Philly and Atlanta fall again and it looks like seattle was close. Lots of builds including the Intell agency.

[10] 1500 – We take Seattle on the last cav and Abe is off the continent. Army lands and is loaded with cav. Next competitor please. Abe is down to 2 off shore islands. I don’t think I would make peace with him as yet until flip risk declines and MA expires with Egypt.

I spent more time building infrastructure than warring because we’re drawing this game out to the end. Our cities are doing well. Rome will be pop 19 and making close to 100spt when cathedral is complete.

 

[Bede]

WooHoo. Lots of cash for bribes and sabotage and research.


Order of go:
barbslinger-built and battled Abe to a fare-thee-well
Cuivienen-UP
Bede-watching the fun
scoutsout
Sir Bugsy

 

[Sir Bugsy]

Time to plant some spies! :devil2: Communism rocks with Vet spies.