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TimBentley
Deity
1250(0)-Cut a turn off the Great Library, give more food to Entremont
lower lux to 10%
1225(1)-Bowman dies attacking Texcoco
1200(2)-zzz
1175(3)-zzz
1150(4)-Two bowmen attack Texcoco, and both die without harming the spearman
1125(5)-zzz
1100(6)-Two swordsmen kill two spearmen to capture Tenochtitlan
1075(7)-swordsman kills jag
IBT-Swordsman promotes defending against jag
Sumeria starts the Oracle
Inca starts Pyramids
1050(8)-zzz
IBT-bowman dies to horse
Entremont barracks->sword
1025(9)-raise lux to 20%
1000(10)-zzz
Notes: Aztecs are currently willing to give Texcoco and Tlaxcala (probably to the north or east of Tenochtitlan)
I didn't bother to analyze what the best build in Tenochtitlan would be, so feel free to change it
Great Library is due in 5 turns
I shot the arrows, but the swinging of the sword seemed to work much better
Here is the save.
Here's a picture (a statement of the obvious):
lower lux to 10%
1225(1)-Bowman dies attacking Texcoco
1200(2)-zzz
1175(3)-zzz
1150(4)-Two bowmen attack Texcoco, and both die without harming the spearman
1125(5)-zzz
1100(6)-Two swordsmen kill two spearmen to capture Tenochtitlan
1075(7)-swordsman kills jag
IBT-Swordsman promotes defending against jag
Sumeria starts the Oracle
Inca starts Pyramids
1050(8)-zzz
IBT-bowman dies to horse
Entremont barracks->sword
1025(9)-raise lux to 20%
1000(10)-zzz
Notes: Aztecs are currently willing to give Texcoco and Tlaxcala (probably to the north or east of Tenochtitlan)
I didn't bother to analyze what the best build in Tenochtitlan would be, so feel free to change it
Great Library is due in 5 turns
I shot the arrows, but the swinging of the sword seemed to work much better
Here is the save.
Here's a picture (a statement of the obvious):
[dance] 
Roster check:
fbouthil - grab your partner
dmanakho - at the barre
Bede - got bussed by Brennus Isabel didn't come play this time.
Sir Bugsy - Waltzed the Aztec
TimBentley - Swung those swords, do se do
Next round it's going to be ballet: all that culture from the library, you know.
@AdmK, oink!
Sir Bugsy
Civ.D.
Swords are definitely the way to go. The age of the bowman has passed.
We can't get X-town real close to Babylon? Must be something valuable there.
We can't get X-town real close to Babylon? Must be something valuable there.
fbouthil
Occasional Mercenary
I will play tomorrow.
Interesting situation. The Aztecs do not want to give us Xochicalco because it will contain iron on expansion. Pretty important IMHO, so we may want to continue the war until we can get it for peace. On the other hand, we do not have much military left. What do you think? I would lean toward peace.
We did not get any slaves by conquering Technotitlan, so I will build a few workers, swords otherwise.
Interesting situation. The Aztecs do not want to give us Xochicalco because it will contain iron on expansion. Pretty important IMHO, so we may want to continue the war until we can get it for peace. On the other hand, we do not have much military left. What do you think? I would lean toward peace.
We did not get any slaves by conquering Technotitlan, so I will build a few workers, swords otherwise.
Sir Bugsy
Civ.D.
We may have to capture X-town. I doubt Monty will give it to us if it has a resource. Unless we could get a cultural flip.
fbouthil
Occasional Mercenary
I think you guys are missing something: We do not have much military left. In fact, we have just enough for garrison.
I do not have time to play tomorrow, so I will play right now. Considering the opinions expressed, I will not make peace and build up military. We can still make peace in 10t, if we change our mind.
I do not have time to play tomorrow, so I will play right now. Considering the opinions expressed, I will not make peace and build up military. We can still make peace in 10t, if we change our mind.
fbouthil
Occasional Mercenary
1000BC (preturn)
Since I took all the other civs money, the 3 civs we did not attack yet have been producing 4 to 6 gold every turn, so global research has been slowed down a lot, I think.
The warrior south was going to Entremont for garrison to help reduce lux.
Roster:
fbouthil - just finished doing the moonwalk.
dmanakho - up for some step dancing
Bede - on deck for some other dance or something
Sir Bugsy - whatever. I think I should let Bede post the roster in the future...
TimBentley
CivAssist says alpha is worth 74g and Incas have 49g. If they dispersed a barb camp, they could buy it from someone else, so I sell it to them.
IBTThe Mayan finishes the pyramids.
950BC (2)Sell philo to Sumer for 2 workers & 50g.
Sell it also to Mayan for 74g to prevent Sumer from selling it to them.
That makes us the only civs with money.
Kill a warrior
IBTSell it also to Mayan for 74g to prevent Sumer from selling it to them.
That makes us the only civs with money.
Kill a warrior
Warrior gets killed attacking Technotitlan.
Camulodunum founded close to Babylon between the cow and the wheat. The city emblem is a target sign.
925BC (3)Camulodunum founded close to Babylon between the cow and the wheat. The city emblem is a target sign.
Horse gets killed attacking our sword on hill.
900BC (4)Warrior gets killed attacking our sword and jag retreats.
Babylon: TGLib->sword (mmsh to get it in 2t)
Alesia: temple->worker
875BC (5)Babylon: TGLib->sword (mmsh to get it in 2t)
Alesia: temple->worker
War happiness has stopped and I would have to raise lux to 50% to keep Entremont happy so I hire a scientist, lower science to 0% and increase lux to 30% instead.
Kill the jag
We learn map, poly and const.
850BC (6)Kill the jag
We learn map, poly and const.
Babylon: sword->sword
825BC (7)2 spear & archer pairs are moving close to our iron colony, probably to reinforce the garrison in Camulodunum.
800BC (8)Babylon & Entremont: sword->sword
750BC (10)One of the spear & archer pair goes toward Camulodunum and the other toward Lugdunum
Suddenly, Maya have 104g and every other civs have lost the few golds they had left. 2 civs have learn a tech, so I guess they traded and popped a barb camp.
Kill a spear and fortify a bowman to protect the wounded sword.
In 2t, we will have 4 swords to march toward Xochicalco and we could make peace afterwards for the 2 or 3 cities we can get out of it.Suddenly, Maya have 104g and every other civs have lost the few golds they had left. 2 civs have learn a tech, so I guess they traded and popped a barb camp.
Kill a spear and fortify a bowman to protect the wounded sword.
Since I took all the other civs money, the 3 civs we did not attack yet have been producing 4 to 6 gold every turn, so global research has been slowed down a lot, I think.
The warrior south was going to Entremont for garrison to help reduce lux.
Roster:
fbouthil - just finished doing the moonwalk.
dmanakho - up for some step dancing
Bede - on deck for some other dance or something
Sir Bugsy - whatever. I think I should let Bede post the roster in the future...
TimBentley
Pre-flight:Everything looks good, will wait another turn before sending stack of troops to Xochicalco
T1. 730BC. Babylon sword->Sword. 3 Swords and Bow are sent to the Aztec city.
T2. 710BC. nothing
IBT. Jag attacks Tenochitlan and dies
T3. 690BC. Siege of Aztecs town begins.
Sword vs. Spear -> Sword
Sword vs. Spear -> Sword
Sword vs. Archer -> Archer (stupid RNG)
Bow vs. Archer -> Bow.
City is captured.
Another battle near Tenochitlan
Sword vs. Archer -> Sword
Elite Sword vs. Jag -> Sword
Making peace with Aztecs
They give us 3 cities I can't spell neither can I pronounce names.
One city has furs, but it's far away right now to be connected anytime soon.
I believe we should milk Celts a little again. Their new river city built near Babylon is too good of opportunity to pass
T4. 670BC. Regrouping troops. Sending bow to garrison furs city. People in Entermont are about to riot. I am between the options of turning the lux up again or converting scientist into clown. I chose latter. That city is corrupted.
IBT: We learn monarchy and I am revolting.
T5. 650BC. Cities are rioting.
T6. 630BC. We are monarchy now. Something bad has happened. Celts blocked the road from Babylon to Entremont by settling a new lousy desert city.
IBT: We learn CoL
T7. 610BC. Entremone sword->Courthouse.
T8. 590BC. Babylon sword->sword. Missed Entremont, It grew in pop and rioted again
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T9. 570BC. Finally trading opportunity.
Sold Math to Incas for 28Gold, sold Monarchy to Aztecs for 5gpt and 20gold. I hesitated selling to Aztecs for GPT but then we have 14 turns peace agreement and if I do 20 turns now it probably won't be much difference. Rushed barracks in Tenochittlan, rushed spears in two of the cities and a temple in former aztec A-City which is now neighboring Entremont. I also rushed barracks in Xochicalco. This one going to be a productive city soon.
IBT: Mayans completed Oracle.
T10. 550BC. nothing has happened here. I have few swordsmen built and in couple of turns I think we should be ready to take 2 out of 3 Celts cities
We currently pay 0 (zero) for unit support, but we have just reached the limit.
So it would be beneficial to attack celts to bump unit support level as well.
We have 8 cities and can build Frontpage Palace. Entremont is probably a good FP city. I suggest to rush Courthouse there and start working on FP.
T1. 730BC. Babylon sword->Sword. 3 Swords and Bow are sent to the Aztec city.
T2. 710BC. nothing
IBT. Jag attacks Tenochitlan and dies
T3. 690BC. Siege of Aztecs town begins.
Sword vs. Spear -> Sword
Sword vs. Spear -> Sword
Sword vs. Archer -> Archer (stupid RNG)
Bow vs. Archer -> Bow.
City is captured.
Another battle near Tenochitlan
Sword vs. Archer -> Sword
Elite Sword vs. Jag -> Sword
Making peace with Aztecs
They give us 3 cities I can't spell neither can I pronounce names.
One city has furs, but it's far away right now to be connected anytime soon.
I believe we should milk Celts a little again. Their new river city built near Babylon is too good of opportunity to pass
T4. 670BC. Regrouping troops. Sending bow to garrison furs city. People in Entermont are about to riot. I am between the options of turning the lux up again or converting scientist into clown. I chose latter. That city is corrupted.
IBT: We learn monarchy and I am revolting.
T5. 650BC. Cities are rioting.
T6. 630BC. We are monarchy now. Something bad has happened. Celts blocked the road from Babylon to Entremont by settling a new lousy desert city.
IBT: We learn CoL
T7. 610BC. Entremone sword->Courthouse.
T8. 590BC. Babylon sword->sword. Missed Entremont, It grew in pop and rioted again
.T9. 570BC. Finally trading opportunity.
Sold Math to Incas for 28Gold, sold Monarchy to Aztecs for 5gpt and 20gold. I hesitated selling to Aztecs for GPT but then we have 14 turns peace agreement and if I do 20 turns now it probably won't be much difference. Rushed barracks in Tenochittlan, rushed spears in two of the cities and a temple in former aztec A-City which is now neighboring Entremont. I also rushed barracks in Xochicalco. This one going to be a productive city soon.
IBT: Mayans completed Oracle.
T10. 550BC. nothing has happened here. I have few swordsmen built and in couple of turns I think we should be ready to take 2 out of 3 Celts cities
We currently pay 0 (zero) for unit support, but we have just reached the limit.
So it would be beneficial to attack celts to bump unit support level as well.
We have 8 cities and can build Frontpage Palace. Entremont is probably a good FP city. I suggest to rush Courthouse there and start working on FP.
fbouthil
Occasional Mercenary
@dmanakho: Don't blame RNG on the attack on Xochicalco. Losing one sword while killing 2 spears & 1 archer fortified in a city is to be expected.
Nice job finishing the war! We now have 8 cities and our biggest competitor, the Sumerians, have 11.
I also think we have a serious lack of workers. The 2 far away captured Aztec cities look like they could be set to build workers only for some time. Calixtlahuaca would need to expand to get the game first.
It was to be expected that the Celts would build a city that could engulfed our iron colony. If we attack Richborough now, it will autoraze and another civ will put a city there because of the iron. If we wait for Richborough to grow, we can capture it and that would link the territory around the capital to the territory around Entremont. We would have to wait 14t for that.
I may be tinking too far ahead, but I think we should have to start thinking about a Sumerian war. We might be able to make war with them before feudalism if we build a stack of warriors in Entremont. When Richborough grows to size 2, capture it and then upgrade the warriors to swords. Alesia could be set to catapults instead of a barrack considering its low shield production.
That would mean no FP in Entremont for now. Anyway, the cities around Entremont are not in favorable grounds and would not profit too much from it. Thinking long term, Sumer looks like a better place for a FP, but it would mean using a MGL to rush the FP because Sumer is too far from the capital to build it itself.
Nice job finishing the war! We now have 8 cities and our biggest competitor, the Sumerians, have 11.
I also think we have a serious lack of workers. The 2 far away captured Aztec cities look like they could be set to build workers only for some time. Calixtlahuaca would need to expand to get the game first.
It was to be expected that the Celts would build a city that could engulfed our iron colony. If we attack Richborough now, it will autoraze and another civ will put a city there because of the iron. If we wait for Richborough to grow, we can capture it and that would link the territory around the capital to the territory around Entremont. We would have to wait 14t for that.
I may be tinking too far ahead, but I think we should have to start thinking about a Sumerian war. We might be able to make war with them before feudalism if we build a stack of warriors in Entremont. When Richborough grows to size 2, capture it and then upgrade the warriors to swords. Alesia could be set to catapults instead of a barrack considering its low shield production.
That would mean no FP in Entremont for now. Anyway, the cities around Entremont are not in favorable grounds and would not profit too much from it. Thinking long term, Sumer looks like a better place for a FP, but it would mean using a MGL to rush the FP because Sumer is too far from the capital to build it itself.
Sir Bugsy
Civ.D.
fbouthil - I really like your color coding. It is very innovative. Is it hard to do? Is there an easy way to spell your call sign that you prefer? like fbout?
Well done to both you and dmanakho (another easy one to spell
) Great job getting X-town. We should renam our new cities to something simple like "X-town," "Calix" "Tenoch" Those kind of things. They're Babylonian now. 
I love the idea of letting the new Celtic cities grow and then adding them to our empire.
Well done to both you and dmanakho (another easy one to spell
) Great job getting X-town. We should renam our new cities to something simple like "X-town," "Calix" "Tenoch" Those kind of things. They're Babylonian now. I love the idea of letting the new Celtic cities grow and then adding them to our empire.
TimBentley
Deity
I'm estimating 29% corruption in Entremont if it had a courthouse and the forbidden palace was built somewhere else and after some more cities have been captured. The FP would reduce this to 10%. I would estimate 43% corruption in Sumer if it had a courthouse and the FP was built somewhere else, which would also have corruption reduced to 10% with the FP. I estimate 50% corruption in Sumer if a courthouse was rushed there (no FP built yet). I haven't actually looked to see if there was a superior site to either one of those. But building it quickly will have a faster effect on corruption everywhere. An even more estimative estimation is that corruption near the FP would fall by at least 10%.
550BC
Rush a library in Calix (renamed from Calixwhatever)
Rename X-town Xenia and the fish town Fish Camp and the resort town Fbouthil Beach.
Start the Maus Haus in Babylon. We are real short of luxuries and have incense to our south and furs to our north but none will be connected anytime soon now. We have enough military to hurt the Celts and they won't have any of those nasty swordsmen if we can keep the iron out of their hands. THe only town building the MausHaus right now is the pop2 Sumerian town of Umma.
Tenowherever renamed Teaneck and starts a worker to get the furs town connected.
Reassign citizens at Babylon so that growth to pop10 occurs in 15 turns and the MausHaus comes in 13.
Sumerians move the MausHaus build to Erech, another pop2 town with no improvements.
530BC
Sumeria comes demanding 26g and I suggest he go away quietly, which he does.
Celts build Verulamium on the cost and the borders at Camulodunum expand poaching the iron colony.
510BC
Move the colony garrison out of Celtic territory and position it to attack Camulodunum.
Plan is to take the town then sue for peace getting Richborough and Verulanium in the deal.
The Celts solve my little problem of an honorable war declaration by trying to extort Philosophy.....and so it begins.
The Maya have learned Republic.
450BC
Celts send a two spear and archer pairs towards Babylon. Our swords invest Camulodunum.
430BC
Elite sword attacks Camulodunum and Agum appears.
Vet sword attacks and the city is ours. Agum organizes Bede's Sharps.
Maya and Sumer have Currency and Republic. Odds are Sumer learned Currency and bought Republic from Maya.
390BC
Army and swords and bowman settle into Camulodunum to heal up and get ready for the march on Lugdunum.
Aztecs start SoZ
Sumerians start the Great Wall.
370BC
Army kills a spear and a Celt archer and we get the Heroic Epic message.
Two Celt archers kill a bowman defending Camulodunum.
350BC
Army kills two more Celtic archers. That should be it for the Celts.
Celts will talk but not deal.
The MausHaus abuilding in Babylon can swap to the Heroic Epic with no loss in production. I would be tempted to let it finish for the happiness benefit in the capitol but if we lose it to the Maya then the Epic will be ours soon, anyway.
Army is hurting right now but can begin the march on Lugdunum with support from Entremont in about five or so. This war won't last long...
Roster check:
Sir Bugsy - practicing his entrechat
TimBentley - en avant batterie
fbouthil - just finished doing the moonwalk.
dmanakho - did a nice two-step and he "da King"
Bede - tour jete
Rush a library in Calix (renamed from Calixwhatever)
Rename X-town Xenia and the fish town Fish Camp and the resort town Fbouthil Beach.
Start the Maus Haus in Babylon. We are real short of luxuries and have incense to our south and furs to our north but none will be connected anytime soon now. We have enough military to hurt the Celts and they won't have any of those nasty swordsmen if we can keep the iron out of their hands. THe only town building the MausHaus right now is the pop2 Sumerian town of Umma.
Tenowherever renamed Teaneck and starts a worker to get the furs town connected.
Reassign citizens at Babylon so that growth to pop10 occurs in 15 turns and the MausHaus comes in 13.
Sumerians move the MausHaus build to Erech, another pop2 town with no improvements.
530BC
Sumeria comes demanding 26g and I suggest he go away quietly, which he does.
Celts build Verulamium on the cost and the borders at Camulodunum expand poaching the iron colony.
510BC
Move the colony garrison out of Celtic territory and position it to attack Camulodunum.
Plan is to take the town then sue for peace getting Richborough and Verulanium in the deal.
The Celts solve my little problem of an honorable war declaration by trying to extort Philosophy.....and so it begins.
The Maya have learned Republic.
450BC
Celts send a two spear and archer pairs towards Babylon. Our swords invest Camulodunum.
430BC
Elite sword attacks Camulodunum and Agum appears.
Vet sword attacks and the city is ours. Agum organizes Bede's Sharps.
Maya and Sumer have Currency and Republic. Odds are Sumer learned Currency and bought Republic from Maya.
390BC
Army and swords and bowman settle into Camulodunum to heal up and get ready for the march on Lugdunum.
Aztecs start SoZ
Sumerians start the Great Wall.
370BC
Army kills a spear and a Celt archer and we get the Heroic Epic message.
Two Celt archers kill a bowman defending Camulodunum.
350BC
Army kills two more Celtic archers. That should be it for the Celts.
Celts will talk but not deal.
The MausHaus abuilding in Babylon can swap to the Heroic Epic with no loss in production. I would be tempted to let it finish for the happiness benefit in the capitol but if we lose it to the Maya then the Epic will be ours soon, anyway.
Army is hurting right now but can begin the march on Lugdunum with support from Entremont in about five or so. This war won't last long...
Roster check:
Sir Bugsy - practicing his entrechat
TimBentley - en avant batterie
fbouthil - just finished doing the moonwalk.
dmanakho - did a nice two-step and he "da King"
Bede - tour jete
TimBentley
Deity
Excellent, an army. Note that if Lugdunum is captured, Richborough would become the Celtic capital unless Verulamium grows or has a larger garrison or managed to get a higher place in the database (I'm pretty sure there weren't any razed cities to replace, so I don't think that is possible).
fbouthil said:
Don't mind using a unit. I just found it amusing winning battles against spears and losing to archer
I am glad we have an army finally. Should make future wars a little easier.
TimBentley said:
Good point, but still we can take lugdunum and then Verulamium for the peace. Desert Richborough can stay with Celts, it's just we will have to connect Verulamium and then build new road from Verulamium to Entremont.
Khmm... Has someone mentioned we need more workers???
Sir Bugsy
Civ.D.
I have it, should have it up by Saturday.
fbouthil
Occasional Mercenary
Sir Bugsy said:
Color coding is very easy. Just put [pre][color=a color][/color][/pre] around the text you want to change the color. I don't know the exact list of supported colors, but you can use the light or dark prefix on most of them to get them lighter or darker (duh!).
Use fbout if you don't want to write my complete call sign, I don't mind.
IIRC, Richborough will grow in 4t, so we may have a chance of conquering it because the celts may never accept giving it because of the iron.
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