[RD] Berkeley Riots

[Timsup2nothin]

Don't you have to make an application? Surely that involves your grades and from where you graduated to allow for back checks?

There is also the issue that education is usually paid for by the state, which uses taxation, which is paid by citizens. Being illegally there is just creating a host of problems.

Of course you have to apply and submit grades. What sort of stupid question is that? How does that relate to showing proof of citizenship, or even declaring status? Do you think that someone who isn't a US citizen must have not gone to school so they can't have grades?

As to the "host of problems" created by being "illegally there," there is actually no such thing as being "illegally there." The crime committed by undocumented aliens is illegal entry. Their undocumented presence is evidence that the crime was committed, but actually is not a crime in itself. And you'd need to demonstrate this "host of problems" for me to respond to them, but in general I don't think they exist.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

The theory that the violent protests stopped Yainnopoulos from naming those student is complete speculation.

Said a guy who frankly doesn't care whether the troll was stopped or not since it wouldn't harm him personally either way.

 

[BvBPL]

That's untrue.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

That's untrue.

But seems to fit the observed behavior.

 

[metalhead]

The theory that the violent protests stopped Yainnopoulos from naming those student is complete speculation.

Furthermore, even if violence is acceptable to defend innocent third-parties from immediate harm then the violent riot still fails that measure because other non-violent means of providing security to those students existed.

He has a history of doing so in campus speeches, and he was rushed out of the event before speaking, so the inference is logical. Certainly above the level of complete speculation.

What non-violent means exist, exactly? If a student gets outed as undocumented and someone calls ICE, that student doesn't have any protection. If someone is outed as trans, they are far more likely to be the victim of a violent crime, and I don't think providing them a bodyguard is a particularly good solution.

Also, the violence has been greatly exaggerated, only 3 injuries were reported to police. Nothing major that anyone can tell. The bank branches will miraculously survive.

 

[JollyRoger]

I know there is likely some sort of illegal entry crime associated with the Trumps.

 

[Kyriakos]

Of course you have to apply and submit grades. What sort of stupid question is that? How does that relate to showing proof of citizenship, or even declaring status? Do you think that someone who isn't a US citizen must have not gone to school so they can't have grades?

As to the "host of problems" created by being "illegally there," there is actually no such thing as being "illegally there." The crime committed by undocumented aliens is illegal entry. Their undocumented presence is evidence that the crime was committed, but actually is not a crime in itself. And you'd need to demonstrate this "host of problems" for me to respond to them, but in general I don't think they exist.

Well, aren't there any checks on the application, as in verifying said applicant indeed got those grades from the specific secondary education institution? Were the applicants in secondary education in the US? Don't even secondary education institutions at least identify whether legally one is allowed to be there?

It does sound like a somewhat absurd system, when in Europe you can't do anything on a state level (including education) without first and foremost showing documents that you are who and what you claim to be.

 

[JollyRoger]

Eurotrash is easily provable even without documentation.

 

[Kyriakos]

^Hey, tone down the racism #Safespace #RD

 

[Lexicus]

Well, aren't there any checks on the application, as in verifying said applicant indeed got those grades from the specific secondary education institution? Were the applicants in secondary education in the US? Don't even secondary education institutions at least identify whether legally one is allowed to be there?

What you need to understand about immigration law in the US is that it is designed to produce a legal underclass that can be coerced into working for less than minimum wage and illegally poor or unsafe working conditions. It isn't what you'd call 'rational.'

 

[Kyriakos]

What you need to understand about immigration law in the US is that it is designed to produce a legal underclass that can be coerced into working for less than minimum wage and illegally poor or unsafe working conditions. It isn't what you'd call 'rational.'

Which is dreadful, and obviously first and foremostly harms the illegals themselves. But surely the solution is to have states handle citizenship applications too (and more humanistically), not make irrational customs perpetuating lack of legality.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Well, aren't there any checks on the application, as in verifying said applicant indeed got those grades from the specific secondary education institution? Were the applicants in secondary education in the US? Don't even secondary education institutions at least identify whether legally one is allowed to be there?

Of course there are checks. Once again, what kind of stupid question is that? Most university students without citizenship documentation have been here since they were little kids, and they are exactly who they say they are and have all the grades they claim they have. No educational institution is required or expected to enforce immigration law. There are cops for that.

 

[FriendlyFire]

I'll take information under advisement as its not been reported by the major newspapers
If he releases names a class action law suite would be the remedy

This setting fire and breaking windows isnt helping our cause and plays into Trumps hands

 

[Kyriakos]

^I suppose it was stupid indeed. I am beginning to see why US votes ridiculous people like W and now Trump. Some laws there are dangerous and cause needless polarization about stuff inherently prone to lead to escalating social issues, eg people being there for decades illegally, since they were children. If you don't see how dumb that is, then just focus on how dumb those voting for Trump are, cause surely there is no correlation at all bro. Deplorables ex nihilo.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

I'll take information under advisement as its not been reported by the major newspapers
If he releases names a class action law suite would be the remedy

Sure. Undocumented college students have the status and where with all to jump right on that.

By the way, if this outing and instigating of consequences by the troll "hasn't been reported in the major newspapers" check Breitbart. They cover him extensively and you should have no trouble finding him proudly taking credit for it himself.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

^I suppose it was stupid indeed. I am beginning to see why US votes ridiculous people like W and now Trump. Some laws there are dangerous and cause needless polarization about stuff inherently prone to lead to escalating social issues, eg people being there for decades illegally, since they were children. If you don't see how dumb that is, then just focus on how dumb those voting for Trump are, cause surely there is no correlation at all bro. Deplorables ex nihilo.

You weren't, just those particular questions were. At this point it is reasonable to suggest that anyone stating opinions on US immigration issues should be well enough versed in them to know that yes, many of our undocumented people have indeed been here since they were little kids. Since you were clearly outspoken in your opinions the lack of knowledge of the issue underlying your questions was remarkable...hence the remark.

 

[innonimatu]

If the major concern is that the speaker is going to name specific students as either trans or undocumented, which will greatly increase their chances of suffering violence and social exclusion, then he actually does have to be stopped from speaking in order to protect the safety of those students.

I'm sorry but I must say that this logic strikes me as totally wrong. You should not be focusing on helping the [oppressed group] to hide in the ghetto. That just keeps them oppressed. You should help them stand out and be accepted.

I'll also ask, what are undocumented students? People who informally hanging around attending to classes? Or actual students? If actual students, how come a state-sponsored bureaucracy have undocumented students? Something is broken over there, and it won't be only the Trumps of the world thinking so.

And why should transgender people have to hide in fear and be helped in hiding, instead of living openly with it? Why don't those who are "brave" enough to arrange riots over this expend their efforts instead to protect thee people against those who would harass them? Is harassing them legal to start with?

 

[Arwon]

Is harassing them legal to start with?

Kinda yeah

 

[GoodEnoughForMe]

And why should transgender people have to hide in fear and be helped in hiding, instead of living openly with it? Why don't those who are "brave" enough to arrange riots over this expend their efforts instead to protect thee people against those who would harass them? Is harassing them legal to start with?

I mean maybe that works there but here we have 315 million guns in circulation and enough school shooters to prove they will be used.

 

[innonimatu]

If everyone thought that way gays would still be living in hiding. And blacks would still be quietly giving their seats to white passengers.