Betting and Speculation - The "Entirely Separate Hypercube" Civ!

[Martin23230]

Also, Merchant of Venice? Seriously? So you get Venetian Merchants of Venice? If this is real, I hereby withdraw support for Venice and shall go cry in some dark and dank corner.

I'm sure many other people will be pretty willing to join you, including me. Having Venice as a One-City Civ with UUs of a unique Galleass called the Great Galleass and a unique Merchant called the Merchant of Venice? Where did the devs get their ideas from?

Venice feels really bad (thematically). A lot of the suggestions in the Italian thread are better done, so I hope this is fake.

I wish, but the reaction seems pretty conclusive, and all the evidence fits. And frankly I think the civs themselves are pretty much confirmed, even if the UUs aren't.

 

[arik24]

Pathfinder: Scout replacement; Can choose its ancient ruin reward.

sounds a bit overpowering whats to prevent you form always choosing tech all the time or some thing else all the time

 

[King William I]

Pathfinder: Scout replacement; Can choose its ancient ruin reward.

sounds a bit overpowering whats to prevent you form always choosing tech all the time or some thing else all the time

And that's why I think this is fake

 

[God of Kings]

Perhaps that it is a fake leak used as a red herring.

 

[Devell]

Given the nature of the expansion what's wrong with Merchants of Venice? If Venice are in the game then by default they were always gonna get Venetian Merchants of Venice. What's wrong with making them funky and unique? I like it.

 

[Martin23230]

Given the nature of the expansion what's wrong with Merchants of Venice? If Venice are in the game then by default they were always gonna get Venetian Merchants of Venice. What's wrong with making them funky and unique? I like it.

Nothing about the unit itself, but because it's a dumb name... Why not call English Merchants "Merchants of England"? It's just a Shakespeare reference, which would work well as an achievement name but is pretty stupid as a unit name. Similarly if the Galleass is just "Great Galleass".

 

[The Almighty dF]

Given the nature of the expansion what's wrong with Merchants of Venice? If Venice are in the game then by default they were always gonna get Venetian Merchants of Venice. What's wrong with making them funky and unique? I like it.

The idea of having a civ that can only have one city is an absolutely horrible idea, though. I mean we've already learned from the base game that, despite Firaxis's intentions, the game favors big civs. Even India, which has a UA favoring a smaller few cities, is going to do better with a huge amount of cities.

 

[Leugi]

So... I don't check the forums for some time because of busyness and this thread I created ceases to exist, and then exists again and everyone speaks of how bad Venice is...

Also someone managed to retexture a leader...

Man, I shouldn't stop checking this forum up...

...

Also, the Merchants of Venice should be called "Most Serene Merchant of Venice" so we get a Venetian Most Serene Merchant of Venice... Fits with our latest rumblings

We don't know if this leak is true however... And alhough I don't see it as something so bad (Though, personally would prefer Washakie for the Shoshone should they exist), I'll wait till official info before getting conclusions...

 

[nunor]

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Also, Merchant of Venice? Seriously? So you get Venetian Merchants of Venice? If this is real, I hereby withdraw support for Venice and shall go cry in some dark and dank corner.

So you knew about the leak already? You didn't miss much then. What happened is that some details of the original leak were revealed and were being intensively discussed in this thread. Suddenly, this very thread was deleted - not locked, it just vanished like the leak thread had. Then, a few minutes later, it came back without a single change.

 

[Devell]

The idea of having a civ that can only have one city is an absolutely horrible idea, though. I mean we've already learned from the base game that, despite Firaxis's intentions, the game favors big civs. Even India, which has a UA favoring a smaller few cities, is going to do better with a huge amount of cities.

"The leak" never claimed that they can only have one city though. They could have as big an empire as anyone theoretically. It would just consist of puppets, that you could purchase things in.

 

[InsanelyApple]

Page 46.

Also, Merchant of Venice? Seriously? So you get Venetian Merchants of Venice? If this is real, I hereby withdraw support for Venice and shall go cry in some dark and dank corner.

Spoiler :

 

[Martin23230]

"The leak" never claimed that they can only have one city though. They could have as big an empire as anyone theoretically. It would just consist of puppets, that you could purchase things in.

Well the point is they can't build settlers. It can never found a city of it's own, it can only capture other cities or city states, or use great merchants. It's civ list will only have one entry - Venice.

That's pretty close to what I would call a "one-city civ", even though it will of course end up with more than one city in a game.

 

[Kwami]

The idea of having a civ that can only have one city is an absolutely horrible idea, though. I mean we've already learned from the base game that, despite Firaxis's intentions, the game favors big civs. Even India, which has a UA favoring a smaller few cities, is going to do better with a huge amount of cities.

If that's the case, then why do I constantly see topics that discuss why Tradition and tall empires are almost always better than Liberty and wide empires on Immortal and Deity?

The new Venice looks fun, even if Venice is a ridiculous choice.

 

[Devell]

Well what I would call a one city civ is a civ that could only have one city. What I would call pretty close to a one city civ is a civ that could only have two (or pushing it three) cities. But seeing as they can conquer and puppet any city they like and then puppet city states with merchants (with no upper limit) I would say they are nothing like a one city civ.

Once again assuming all the info is good of course.

 

[God of Kings]

The Most Serene Venice should have a serene bonus by having serenely increased Serene Merchant of the Most Serene Venice generation points.

 

[Crodface]

Well what I would call a one city civ is a civ that could only have one city. What I would call pretty close to a one city civ is a civ that could only have two (or pushing it three) cities. But seeing as they can conquer and puppet any city they like and then puppet city states with merchants (with no upper limit) I would say they are nothing like a one city civ.

Once again assuming all the info is good of course.

They definitely something like a one city civ, considering they can't found, or even directly control, more than one city.

 

[ImperialChaos]

It's also possible that the "leaked" info wasn't actually true to begin with, which is why this thread was restored.

But then again we don't know.

This is what I am thinking. They got the confirmation from Fireaxis the "leaked" info isn't true which is why the thread - which now actually has the exact thread details - remains intact.

Fireaxis reads these forums. They would never allow, I think, for any information like that to remain available to the public without their authorization.

I'll ask in this thread: what happened to the thread that revealed Theodora early and all the other threads that discussed it in detail afterwards on this forum?

 

[The Almighty dF]

This is what I am thinking. They got the confirmation from Fireaxis the "leaked" info isn't true which is why the thread - which now actually has the exact thread details - remains intact.

Or it was just one mod that did something stupid, then another mod undid their action, which seems more likely.

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[Devell]

They definitely something like a one city civ, considering they can't found, or even directly control, more than one city.

They can apparently buy things in their puppeted cities, and are apparently going to have a lot of gold to do this with. How is that not having direct control? Given the current favour given to tall tradition empires at the mo with lots of puppets an argument could be made that they'll have more control over their empire then anyone else.

If I play 4 cities tradition and puppet six cities to go with it I have direct control of 4 cities. If I found one city and puppet 9 (that I can buy both units and buildings in) then who has more cities they can control?

 

[kingchris20]

It's also possible that the "leaked" info wasn't actually true to begin with, which is why this thread was restored.

But then again we don't know.

Ooooooh it was this thread that got taken down and then restored! I missed that