KrikkitTwo
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Personally I don't believe in communist Chinese regime lasting so long. Most of these pathological states fell really quickly after their creation, Soviet Union lasted the longest: 70 years. Current Chinese regime is 70 years old but it is already hardly socialist - from what I have read about modern China, not only economy is de facto capitalist but democracy and decentralization in China is in better state that in... Russia. So China is basically capitalist quicly developing state under the mask of communist regime, while Russia is basically autocratic militaristic regime under the mask of democracy
I don't believe in Chinese return to the 'good old ways' of... Umh... Great Famine and death of millions? Especially as modern Chinese regime doesn't even entirely hide these fails, rather says 'Mao's life was 70% glorious and 30% fail' (similar to post 1956 Stalin image in Soviet Union). Of course the country is far from being democratic but it has rather Autocracy ideology with Freedom economy rather than Order ideology/economy. And it is opening on the world more and more.
The same thing is happening in Vietnam which follows Chinese economic reforms and is very slowly becoming less opressive; Vietnamese GDP growth is one of the fastest in the world and, as in the case of China, Vietnam has achieved very impressive reduction of national poverty in the last decades.
Even Burma, one of the most isolationist countries in the world, is recently slowly improving and developing. Again, it is far from being a democracy, but apparently military caste has realized how much destruction socialist way of Burma has made. Hell, Aung San Suu Kyi, the winner of Nobel Peace Prize and my idol, is going to candidate in 2015 presidential elections - it is huge leap forward towards better situation in Burma, even if in the end military caste will 'rig the elections'
So where exactly do you see any chance for Ultra - Communist regime in East Asia? Especially in the era of Internet, when there is stronger and stronger resistance among the young Chinese against the government (which can't entirely shut down this movement)? Yeah there is Laos and North Korea here, two pariah states with absolutely tragic economies and 0 impact on the outside world. Also remember about anti - communist Taiwan, South Korea, Japan, Thailand, Malaysia and also Cambodia - all these countries except from Cambodia are also really developed nations(Indonesia, Philippines and India are also not big fans of communism...)
To sum up, if Panasian Cooperative is China + SEA + India Communist Organisation I will be very disappointed. At least put India in the separate faction, please. Or if Firaxis doesn't want to annoy Chinese government, don't portrayal China as purely capitalist/communist
(although I think Firaxis can simply do the same think with China as with Chinese leader in Civ4: China is portrayed as some kind of democracy while in Chinese market the game is modified with Chinese Communist stateIn Civ4 Chinese officials didn't like putting Mao as game leader so Chinese version of game had instead some Chinese emperor)
Your forgetting the "Great Mistake"
If in 2050-2150 China has serious civil unrest due to events that tank the world's GDP.. Who knows what type of revisionism may occur.
Mao was better than roving bands of warlords, and if the current capitalist Asian powers (including China) fail in the Great Mistake....
Also, you talk about tbe Internet as if you expect it to last through this time period as opposed to being mostly destroyed and rebuilt.
I am not talking about this as something likely to happen in the next 250 years but as something
1. Fun/interesting (Mongol empire/Sino-Soviet Pact/Coprosperity sphere)
2. Reasonable given the setting
3. Have an entity whose title isn't a massive overstatement... Asian means Japan and Jordan and Siberia and Singapore and Mumbai and Mongolia... It would be nice if PAC wasn't a massive misnomer.
