Bible real or not???

[Sgt.Hellfish]

I belive the bible is a list of stories about a very clever man who performed miracles (seemingly) he may have even payed people to act for him. Howver parts may be true I doubt the fact that he is the son of god

 

[Zcylen]

that's what I said Haakan, bible is like a fairy tale, you can tell stories to children to scare them but dont take it literaly.
as someone said, you can belive or not, nobody really should get angry if I dont belive and I wont get mad if you belive everything is says.
we're free people and free to belive whatever we want.

 

[ZultanofZex]

To answer the question: No, it's not real!

 

[Sparrowhawk]

I would suggest that those who call it false are the ones that have to prove it. it is the done thing, after all.

Hardly. If I say I believe you are an Idiot, it is up to me to prove it - not up to you to disprove it.

and what kind of god wouldn't consign people to eternal torment if they don't acknowledge him/her?

One with any sense of justice or right. I would say that at the very least, your god has left the possibility of his existence in question. How would it be fair to then punish people who come to the logical conclusion that he might not exist?

which other religions?

Oy. Are you sure you're knowledgeable enough about this subject to argue effectively? How about Hinduism, or Buddhism, or Shintoism, or Jainism, or Taoism, or any of the polytheistic religions of the ancient Mesopotamians, Egyptians, Greeks, Romans, North Americans, South Americans, or Norse? None of them are any easier to disbelieve than Christianity.

and i wouldn't go around calling gods childish if i were you

Ah, but you're not him. Nor are you me. And we don't believe in your childish god, so we're not terribly frightened

sure it's the same guy? he has 4 posts at this point and i've counted 4 in this thread.

Didn't you read the quote you excerpted? It says "the thread was utterly deleted by the mods". Which means those posts are gone, hence they are not part of his post count. I assure you it is the same poster.

 

[MrPresident]

I would suggest that those who call it false are the ones that have to prove it. it is the done thing, after all.

What is the done thing? Christianity? I'm guessing but I think there are more non-Christians in the world than there are Christians. And it can't be that hard for you to prove it true, after all you believe in it. If you thought it was false you wouldn't believe in it and since you do believe in it than you must think it is true. So just tell us what about it convinced you to believe in it. That was a lot less complex in my mind.

 

[erez87]

the bible is a story, many real things in it, but not all, many stories too...

 

[Remorseless]

One last point:
Religion is faith, therefore it is unprovable. Once religion becomes provable, it moves into the realm of science.
So, if you believe in God, Allah, the Great Spirit, or something even more unlikely, like the Steelers winning the Super Bowl, who's to say you're right or wrong?
The only thing this type of discussion does is open the gates to insulting a lot of people on all sides of the issue.

 

[gr8ful wes]

Dude, you changed your avatar!!! I hope you werent pressured into it.
And the Steelers winning it this year are as likely as water turning into wine, only a tad more enjoyable.

I agree with Remorseless, no need to be insulting.

 

[Msustaita]

SGt fish,
How can the bible be a bunch of storys and mircals. Almost everyingthing in there goes against what humans do (life cheat steal, impurity!!!! lust, kill, cuss,etc) How can one man or many say to go against what even themselves do? No MAN can do that and have it last this long. It would either last a dhort time and faid away or go on forever

Sparrowhawk,

 

[Msustaita]

SGt fish,
How can the bible be a bunch of storys and mircals. Almost everyingthing in there goes against what humans do (life cheat steal, impurity!!!! lust, kill, cuss,etc) How can one man or many say to go against what even themselves do? No MAN can do that and have it last this long. It would either last a dhort time and faid away or go on forever

Sparrowhawk,
How can the other reliegons be right anyways. Have you even seen them. The greeks, they were even worse then humans. They lyed to eachother. Had IMMoRRAL relations with eachother. and did many other things that humans did. YET they were still gods?!!!! coem on, Buddist, there heaven is drinking and wemon....uhhh not really a god like thing. If god made us why would he want us to be like sex crased or killing people and why in the world would he do it?

 

[Msustaita]

ps even if this thread or whatever is gone people keep posting so whatever,,,

 

[Sparrowhawk]

How can the other reliegons be right anyways. Have you even seen them. The greeks, they were even worse then humans. They lyed to eachother. Had IMMoRRAL relations with eachother. and did many other things that humans did. YET they were still gods?!!!! coem on, Buddist, there heaven is drinking and wemon....uhhh not really a god like thing. If god made us why would he want us to be like sex crased or killing people and why in the world would he do it?

Msustaita, I would recommend doing a lot of research into other religions. You might find it very interesting.

One thing you have to keep in mind is that you are looking at the world from Christian eyes, with Christian morals. Just because other people may do something different, does not mean it is wrong.

You point to the ancient greek gods as acting un-godly. They lied to each other, they engaged in incest, etc... These accusations are true. But how does that make them un-godly? Agreed, they do not conform to Christian beliefs in God - but they did what the ancient Greeks expected gods to do. They were like real people, with human issues, but blown up into proportions much larger than life - that was the ancient greek view of what gods should be. The ancient greek religion was a response to the way that they perceived the world - events subject to the whims of some perverse dieties. In my mind their pantheon explains the problems that plague the world far more reasonably than the Christian belief in a rational, wise god who just chooses to ignore such random carnage and disorder.

 

[Remorseless]

Wes, I was getting bored with my old one anyways, and when Sultan confused with someone else, I thought I'd be more generic.
Us older, mellower cats just aren't into fighting over something that can't be decided anyways, right?
Except ... RAIDERS RULE! Fan since '67, but I won't hold your allegience to those Men of Steel against ya -- everybody's got a flaw. Hey, you ready for Kordell to come back, or do you like that new guy (sorry, forgot his name)?

Back to the thread: Is the Bible real? Well...is love real? Is trust real? What about hope, humor? All are ideas, concepts, unprovable, but we all fervently hope they are real. What's wrong with people believing in a higher power.
A corollary to this is a recent Gallup poll that showed almost 60 percent of Americans have some type of faith, as opposed to 30 percent or less for residents of most other industrialized countries. Two reasons for that: we are more optimistic, more hopeful, so we buy into religion.
The other? Anybody seen our president lately?
LOL just kidding Dubya backers.

 

[onejayhawk]

I am surprised that no one yet has brought up what the Bible says about itself, particularly the nay sayers. One's own account is very valuable in shaping any discussion.

J

 

[Msustaita]

onejayhawk,
I would love to bring out scriptures from the bible but!!!! Not many people here believe in it so they would jsut ignor the scriptures. I can easly got alot of them that would explain what i talk about but people would say that they dont believe in itso they wont care.

Sparrowhawk,
True i should probubly look more into other religoins but i do know alot about them and what they teach. as for the greeks it s true they were more human issues and human like.
But christains/ our god, doesnt totally ignor what goes on in the world. God never forgets or overlooks the carnage that goes on in the world

 

[MrPresident]

we are more optimistic, more hopeful, so we buy into religion.

I don't think you are more optimistic and more hopeful. I think that you think you are but I don't think that you actually are. I think (have I overused that word?) that Americans are just the same as Europeans (and other Westerners) except America hasn't experienced the same kind of history as Europe. A lot of Americans went there to escape religious persecution (the offical line) or to practice their weird socially unacceptable religious beliefs (the MrPresident line). Whereas in Europe a lot of people were at the sharp end of the problems of religion. Also there is a definite line between state and church in America which doesn't exist in Europe. So maybe the rebellion factor comes into it. But this is slightly off-topic.

 

[Perfection]

IMNSHO, The bible is mearly a book that expresses Christian philosophy combined with elements of history. The elements of history are partly factual, but the Christian philosophy is untestable and therefore unproovable.

 

[onejayhawk]

Originally posted by Msustaita
onejayhawk,
I would love to bring out scriptures from the bible but!!!! Not many people here believe in it so they would jsut ignor the scriptures. I can easly got alot of them that would explain what i talk about but people would say that they dont believe in itso they wont care.

Call me J

Don't be bashful, just quote the relevant stuff. Like All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. 2 Timothy 3:16-17. Something like this says that the Bible is for the church and its people, to build them up and prepare them for their work. It does not say that the Bible is a treatise on the history of the world, except as that applies to growing closer to the maker.

That being said, I should point out that the Bible has proven to be the greatest of all the historical books of antiquity, not only in terms of scope, but in terms of detail and accuracy. CS Lewis told the story an associate, an atheist Hostory Professor, who said "The rum thing about the Dead God rising, is that it seems to actually have happened." The fact that a respected historian would admit, against his personal beliefs that the story of the resurrection was verified by extra-biblical sources, ratled Lewis' assumption that the Bible was merely a collection of folk tales.

J

 

[Aphex_Twin]

Originally posted by Tassadar
One of the most irrational thing in the bible is;


1.- It is said that god is a mighty power

2.- it is said god is full of love

So why do we live in a crappy world like that, you know starvation, war, genocide and so on.

If god was mighty power and love, then he wouldnt have create such a world, do you understand ?

He would have created a peaceful human beeing who eat only vegetable and fruits if 1 and 2 was true.

I didn't follow this thread from the start but here goes:

Christianity says indeed that God is absolute good. As the absolute good, then why does God allow evil and injustice to happend? The answer is simple: God loved humans so much that he gave them free will. Evil is but a consequence of that free will. If God were to be dirrectly involved in battling evil, there would be no more free will.

 

[Msustaita]

took the words right out of my mouth hedgehog. IF god wanted us to be perfect with no "crappy world" then he would have made us mindless drones. or robots. WE wouldnt have free will.