BOTM 37 First Spoiler - Up to 500AD

I, for one, have apparently learned nothing from posting 900 times and playing through the whole game. :lol:

Could you give a bit of a summary of your game?

I wrote a mini-guild in the final spoiler, where I listed of key factors of play this game to a space victory, feel free to ask more when you are still in doubt.:)

No seriously, I'm just in awe at your save. I mean, I'm new on the forum and seeing the high rank players tackle deity is impressing, but somehow abstract.
On a game of the month, seeing the level you arrive in 500 AD, compared to the level I was, I would really really love to see a more detailed logs : when do you settle your cities ? I noticed a couple cottages around your capital when did you create them ? When did you work them ?
Could you please show us some of the trick behind the sleight of hand ? (maybe in strategy and tipes section ?)

You have already seen what I post in the final spoiler, where I told about the key factors to play the game, which IMO are much more important than micros.

"when do you settle your cities ?"


I answered this question from the beginning of the mini-guild -- As fast as possible. Fully devote your empire on REXing before the space run out, In this game, the GLH and TC make it the most efficient REXing strategy.


I noticed a couple cottages around your capital when did you create them ?

There's a very important issue should be determined before laying down cottages, do you want it? My criteria of whether to lay down cottages depends on whether the city has enough food plus. Generally I want every city has more than 5~6 food plus before working hammer tiles. Capital is an exception where I want it to have more than 6 food plus after working 3~4 hammer tiles. When did I lay down the 1st cottage in this capital? after mining 3 hills. My capital had been constantly at the size between 3 to 5 in early stage since I almost always whip a settler at size 6.


When did you work them ?

After they are available. Over-improve your city is as bad as not having enough worker to improve, the hammers invested on redundant workers can be used on more useful settlers or military units to conquer more cities.

Could you please show us some of the trick behind the sleight of hand ? (maybe in strategy and tipes section ?)

If you want to see more details about playing a game, SGOTM threads are the best place to go. Myself also did some SG games and some demo game in S&T forum, where you can find them through the link of my name. Currently my teammate kossin is doing a showcase of a deity game in S&T forum, he is pretty good at showing some micro tricks.:)
 
I wrote a mini-guild in the final spoiler, where I listed of key factors of play this game to a space victory, feel free to ask more when you are still in doubt.:)
Ok, I guess I'll have to wait for that one. SGOTM is taking up a lot of time right now... :D
 
Where did you settle?
Moved the Warrior 1E & the Settler 1SE onto hill. Spotted Wine to south of visible fish. Moved Settler 2E, and founded Washington on turn 2. This kept the floodplain Deer in the second ring of the Capitol's BFC.

City#2/Santa's Grotto founded on the Santa's Grotto sign! :crazyeye:
City#3/New York 3E of Washington, near Fish and river tiles.
City#4/Boston 8E of Washington, on riverside tile between Copper & Cows
City#5/Philadelphia 4E of Santa's Grotto, near Crabs & Fish
City#6/Atlanta 2SW+1W of Washington, on coast between Fish & Dye, & 2S of Iron
City#7/Chicago 4N+1NE of Santa's Grotto, on land to the north of starting continent.

I had all 7 cities up by 10 AD, and had to slow down to work on the Economy; lots of binary research!

Have you made friends?
Sugar Plum Fairy/Egypt founded Judaism, which spread to Santa's Grotto early, so I adopted that religion, and I'm running her favorite Civic (Org. Religion), so she is Friendly/+14 toward me! Ebeneezer Scrooge/Japan shares the faith, and is Cautious/+4 toward me. Ghost of Christmas Past/Russia has Cautious/0 attitude toward me (he is Christian, which I founded).

Other AI Civs...
Spoiler :
Aztec/China/Celts have other religions and are Annoyed toward me. Still 1 AI Civ I haven't met at 500 AD.


Have you built any shiny, pretty things?
Built The Oracle in Santa's Grotto in 850 BC. Took Metal Casting as the free tech (in order to build the discounted Forge). Oracle plus a Priest specialist from Jewish Temple generated a GProphet, which I used to bulb theology & found Christianity (in New York).

Built The Colossus in Washington in 385 AD. The Parthenon is under construction in New York at 500 AD.

Did you give any presents to the AIs?
A couple of AI leaders asked for techs, but Santa knew they had been naughty, and he had to say No! ;) To keep them from Crying too much, Santa sold them some older techs at a deeply discounted price (to support his research slider). He also sold some surplus resources for 3 :gold:/turn. Santa made one trade, Metal Casting to SPF/Egypt for Alphabet & Meditation.

So what next? I'm leaning toward trying a Cultural Victory. Buddhism has also spread to some of my cities, so I have access to three religions at 500 AD, and Taoism has yet to be founded. I'm researching Music now, then need to pick up Drama and bee-line Liberalism. Also need at least two more cities, and maybe more. But Culture could be difficult with Egypt in the game, so I'll work on Space as a backup plan.
 

BOTM 37 First Spoiler 1AD


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Where did you settle?
Have you made friends?
Have you built any shiny, pretty things? Did you give any presents to the AIs?

I got a late start on this one, and was hoping for a quick game in order to be able to complete it before the deadline.

Very fascinating map... I now feel sorry for the real Santa stuck up at the North Pole, and think we should start a campaign to buy him a condo in Tahiti.:lol:

I settled on the iron :mad:, which I think was 1S. I liked the fish and other food tiles, but as everyone else I suffered from low production capacity, at least until Slavery (which I had the foresight to get early). The copper was too far for early barb defense, so I went for IW fairly early too. I cired :cry: when I saw I settled on the iron because those hammers from an iron mine would have been very useful in this hammer-poor/food rich start. So it was a whip-start for me, and I must admit I'm less experienced with that style of play. But recognizing the problem is usually more than half of the solution.:p I did a good job of fog-busting, so barbs were not a problem, and IW was just something that slowed me down.

I built the Oracle... but shouldn't have. Took CoL for the religion happiness... but should have used those precious hammers on something else, as my tech rate was well ahead of all the AI and I'm sure I could have gotten Monarchy in trade eventually.
Tech rate was good because of all the cottages I built on every river FP tile that would take one... my second and third cities also lacked production, just had food and commerce. My fourth city finally reached east to the copper/cow site, and I made lots of mines and farmed the riverside tiles to support the mines. This would be my production workhorse, getting Heroic Epic.

I had sailing early, and since I'd been gifting Scrooge my excess resources since as early as possible, and since we shared confu, he opened borders. This allowed me to break out and explore, finding a fair number of goody huts which netted me Calandar, Horseback Riding, a bunch of maps, 3 scouts, 2 warriors, and enough XP to unlock Heroic Epic... and enough cash to make Scrooge green with envy. :cool:

I see I'm making the same mistake as in the Huayna Capac game (recent GOTM)... I'm relying on natural expansion only... no wars. Decent relations but not enough to think about diplo victories. Eventually, I'll get limited by my continent size, and the AI will pull away, unless I start getting nasty soon. The Sugar Plum Fairy is biggest and most advanced of my competitors, and has settled 4 (mostly garbage) cities on my landmass. I'll take those, then try to break out of this ice-hole.

But she bribes some allies into the war... I get all cities on my landmass, but it requires huge armies to finally capture a city off my continent. Sigh...

I could probably fight this out to a victory if I had a whole month to play it, but as it stands now, the chances of me finishing before the dealine are between slim and none. Big army wars take a loty of time in Real Life, and I just haven't got enough to spare.
Spoiler :
And I could actually lose this one, too... its a big world, and the AI seem to be evenly strong.
I could certainly have benefitted from an easier game as my first one back from a long vacation... I will probably submit my first incomplete game this time.

But... I got far enough along to enjoy most of the special charms of this christmas map; enough to appreciate how deviously clever the map-maker is. I've enjoyed it a lot. Great work, DS!:goodjob:
 
Ups, wrong thread

Moderator Action: I see you have posted it in the Final Spoiler thread, so I deleted your post here.
 
Ups, wrong thread

It would be good for you to edit that post to contain only info up to 500AD; while cut/paste the rest to the final spoiler thread. Hopefully you can accomplish this task before one of the Moderators has to do it.

Great write-up, though.
 
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