Brave New World's 9 new Civs

[SnowKomodo]

The issue with Vietnam is there is little to no reason to think it would be them instead, and it seems more wishful thinking than anything else. In the case of Indonesia they at least have a huge ammount of community support, and long term community support (which is the key of course). Either would be fine choices of course, but Indonesia certainly seem the more likely.

But hasn't Vietnam's long-term support been just like Indonesia?

 

[SolInvictus]

Perhaps this is the right Anglo-Saxon pronounce,but the latin pronounce is "Selts"

Old Latin's g and k sounds were voiced so similarly that in some words c and g were interchangeable. (Caius/Gaius) The k sound became the proper pronunciation early on in Classical Latin, as Latin aged and became an ecclesiastical language in the Early Middle Ages, c became ch before certain vowels and diphtongs. This gradually softened to an s sound in ecclesiastical Latin before some sounds. By the High Middle Ages as an international language most people could read Latin, but the influence of local languages and ecclesiastical Latin meant that the pronunciation varied widely.

CAVE CELTAS (not shouting, no lowercase in Classical Latin)

 

[Menzies]

But hasn't Vietnam's long-term support been just like Indonesia?

No where near the same levels, and for no where near as long. Pre-announcement, the support for Vietnam on most polls was about ~15-20% of respondents, and it's now up to the early 20s, whilst Indonesia has been constantly ~50%+ for a long time and along with Brazil and such, a clear favourite for a long time.

 

[InsanelyApple]

It's very common in the United States and even Scotland. The two most common you'll hear are the Boston Celtics (Seltics) and Celtic FC in Glasgow (Seltic FC).

I live in the US and have still never heard it. Basketball isn't very popular where I live apparently.

EDIT:

Everyone you are off topic!!! Trying to pronounce how to say Celts is ridiculous and don't start that Hitler conversation again. This a thread to guess BNW civs. .

Whoops. Should've read the thread fully until I replied.

 

[ImperialChaos]

What is the main argument for Indonesia over Vietnam? Indonesia being a huge trade network that could be implemented with BNW's new system? I remember somewhere saying all of the remaining civs MUST make use of the new features.

 

[Menzies]

What is the main argument for Indonesia over Vietnam? Indonesia being a huge trade network that could be implemented with BNW's new system? I remember somewhere saying all of the remaining civs MUST make use of the new features.

The idea that they "must" be feature civs is based off a comment about "one third being fan favourites" and the other two thirds using new features. The issue is where to draw the line. Some assume that Brazil and Assyria were "fan favourites", but Assyria and Brazil both use new features, and more importantly, Assyria doesn't even make sense as a fan favourite and was barely on the radar before announcement. I doubt we'll really see what the comment meant until after they're all announced, and it's hard to use it as a method of prediction when we can't even be certain if Assyria is a "fan favourite" in their eyes or not.

The main arguments for Indonesia are:

1. Lots of support over a long period
2. No new civs added in Asia yet
3. Would fit new features well
4. Huge modern population and potential market

We'll see what happens though. I pretty much expect they'll be in at this point, but who knows.

 

[InsanelyApple]

What is the main argument for Indonesia over Vietnam? Indonesia being a huge trade network that could be implemented with BNW's new system? I remember somewhere saying all of the remaining civs MUST make use of the new features.

Probably because Indonesia is 4th world population and would be the only one in the top 5 missing. (Brazil is 5th.) Vietnam is only 13. Siam also is the same geographic area as Vietnam. (I think this is a crappy argument since Rome covers practically all of Europe.)

However, I really wouldn't care much for Vietnam because I have a fear it would be Cold War oriented instead of the more important periods of Vietnamese history.

 

[DonStamos]

Thanks to the achievements, the alphabetical order appears to be:

1. Assyria
2. Brazil
3. New
4. New
5. Poland
6. Portugal
7. New
8. New
9. Zulu

Hopefully that helps speculation.

 

[ImperialChaos]

Thanks to the achievements, the alphabetical order appears to be:

1. Assyria
2. Brazil
3. Indonesia
4. Morocco
5. Poland
6. Portugal
7. Sioux
8. Venice
9. Zulu

Hopefully that helps speculation.

Any civ could fit. Damn it that the Zulu start with the last word of the Alphabet

 

[SolInvictus]

Belgium has been ruled out as a civ in BNW.

Italy as a Scramble for Africa civ is confirmed and may still be a full civ.

New achievements are alphabetical according to analysis in the above link so:

Assyria
Brazil
NEW CIV
NEW CIV
Poland
Portugal
NEW CIV
NEW CIV
Zulu

Let the speculation commence!

Edit: Beat me to it!

 

[ImperialChaos]

Belgium has been ruled out as a civ in BNW.

Italy as a Scramble for Africa civ is confirmed and may still be a full civ.

New achievements are alphabetical according to analysis in the above link so:

Assyria
Brazil
NEW CIV
NEW CIV
Poland
Portugal
NEW CIV
NEW CIV
Zulu

Let the speculation commence!

Edit: Beat me to it!

In that post it says Italy was confirmed to be in the scenario. Is that a C-bomb, or will it be Rome representing it?

 

[steveg700]

The issue with Vietnam is there is little to no reason to think it would be them instead, and it seems more wishful thinking than anything else. In the case of Indonesia they at least have a huge ammount of community support, and long term community support (which is the key of course). Either would be fine choices of course, but Indonesia certainly seem the more likely.

More to the point I should think is that we have concrete ideas about what Indonesia should be good at, namely trade. Nowo in my crystal ball, I can see folks replying "oh no that can't be, Portugal is the naval trade civ", I'll go ahead and pre-emptively shoot that bit of absolutist thinking which is so prevalent in these speculation threads. Trade routes are something pretty fundamental to the game, and in forty-something civ's, there's enough room for multiple civ's to be good at it.

Now, when comes to Vietnam, we have what on the table in terms of a concept? Water puppets and guerillas. Talk about inchoate.

 

[InsanelyApple]

Thanks to the achievements, the alphabetical order appears to be:

1. Assyria
2. Brazil
3. New
4. New
5. Poland
6. Portugal
7. New
8. New
9. Zulu

Hopefully that helps speculation.

From this file.

It seems that:

Belgium is in.

Spoiler :

<![CDATA[
Playing as Belgium, move your Stanley Explorer to within a tile of England’s Livingstone Explorer.
]]>

Italy is in.

Spoiler :

<![CDATA[
Playing as Italy in Scramble for Africa, earn the VP for finding two Natural Wonders.
]]>

Or, at least, for the Scramble for Africa.

 

[tranger66]

Any civ could fit. Damn it that the Zulu start with the last word of the Alphabet

It might depend whether they are 'Zulu' or 'the Zulu', in the Civlopedia the Inca, Celts and others are listed near the end because they are 'the Inca' etc.

 

[Nujabes]

Found a few interesting lines: "In Scramble for Africa, marry Sokoto or Bornu." City-states, I assume.

 

[DonStamos]

Well, I'm hoping for:

1. Assyria
2. Brazil
3. (Indonesia)
4. (Morocco) - all but confirmed as a Civ anyway
5. Poland
6. Portugal
7. (Venice) - could be part of Italy, in which case I hope Indonesia makes it as Srivajaya.
8. (Vietnam)
9. Zulu

The only Native American Civ I would like to see is the Mapuche, since they were they only ones to successfully resist European colonization. I started running out of Civ names, lol.

 

[SolInvictus]

In that post it says Italy was confirmed to be in the scenario. Is that a C-bomb, or will it be Rome representing it?

It's not a C-bomb, it's confirmed for Scramble for Africa and what we know about the achievement alphabetical order means it hasn't been eliminated as an addition to the game like Belgium. It's still possible, but so is Cherokee, Hungary, Indonesia, Java, Khazars, Khmers, Majapahit, Morocco, Sioux, Timurids, Venice, Vietnam etc.

Found a few interesting lines: "In Scramble for Africa, marry Sokoto or Bornu." City-states, I assume.

As Caliphates they bordered each other in the 19th century, but other than that the connection is a little puzzling... at least to me.

 

[InsanelyApple]

Belgium has been ruled out as a civ in BNW.

Italy as a Scramble for Africa civ is confirmed and may still be a full civ.

New achievements are alphabetical according to analysis in the above link so:

Assyria
Brazil
NEW CIV
NEW CIV
Poland
Portugal
NEW CIV
NEW CIV
Zulu

Let the speculation commence!

Edit: Beat me to it!

Assyria

Brazil

Cherokee/Indonesia/Morocco (I still think Morocco will just be for Scramble for Africa)

Italy

Poland

Portugal

Pueblo (Maybe. Fits in the list. And they just said Pope` was out. Not the whole civ)

Sioux (I'd really be annoyed if they were in instead of the Cherokee.)
or
Srivijaya (This is an Indonesian kingdom, though I don't know why they'd be so specific with the name.)

Zulu

 

[Glassmage]

WOOO no Belgium!!! WOOOO now next targets are Italy and Venice. Yes you can appear in scenarios all you want but don't be one of the new civs.

 

[Nujabes]

Adding Venice as a regular civ and Italy as scenario only would strike me as really odd, but I've been naysaying Venice for months now so ..