BTS Roleplaying Challenge: Sitting Bull

Another comment, I think corporations should be forbidden. They are greedy, money making organization that exploit the resources of the land. I cannot figure a way to keep an AI from spreading it to you though since you will be in environmentalism from Medicine on. Perhaps a close borders to the founding AI?
 
Good idea. A few comments about late game decisions as I would envision the Native Americans.

1) Nuclear weapoms are never to be built, let alone used.
2) Once assembly line is teched, no building can be built without sufficiently available health. Meaning you are running a +1 health, you cannot build a coal plant before public transportation.
3) Coal mines should be destroyed and not used once oil is obtained.
4) Forresrt preserves must be built in any forrest that lacks a lumbermill. Better yet, forbid lumbermills.
5) If the UN is built and you are one of the two candidates, environmentalism must be the first proposal to the UN. You must break ties (maybe even declare war) with anyone who openly defies that vote.

All this assuming you get that far.

I like and agree with 1, 2, and 5. I especially like number 2, and we could play with it the whole game. Essentially, we must never make buildings that create an unhealthy city. Great idea.

I'm fine with the coal mine idea (#3), but with the caveat that we can replace the mine with a windmill or cottage.

#4 is tough. It will make us essentially beeline for Medicine.

*gulp*. Let's do it. :goodjob:
 
Another comment, I think corporations should be forbidden. They are greedy, money making organization that exploit the resources of the land. I cannot figure a way to keep an AI from spreading it to you though since you will be in environmentalism from Medicine on. Perhaps a close borders to the founding AI?

state property? In the spirit of "the land belongs to all people"?
 
I like madscientists ideas too. SB, are you a pyramids kind of guy? Representation would be nice to start the game with. I'm not sure if it's 'RP'.
 
I like and agree with 1, 2, and 5. I especially like number 2, and we could play with it the whole game. Essentially, we must never make buildings that create an unhealthy city. Great idea.

I'm fine with the coal mine idea (#3), but with the caveat that we can replace the mine with a windmill or cottage.

#4 is tough. It will make us essentially beeline for Medicine.

*gulp*. Let's do it. :goodjob:

I am not sure it will be as tough as it appears. Health will not that much a=of an issue except for cities near a jungle, the forrests will allow alot of health bonus. Each forrest reserve provides happiness. With a little luck you may have some very large cities.

I agree about replacing the mines with windmills or cottages.
 
state property? In the spirit of "the land belongs to all people"?

I think Sitting Bull has to adopt enviromentalism when it's available.
 
I like madscientists ideas too. SB, are you a pyramids kind of guy? Representation would be nice to start the game with. I'm not sure if it's 'RP'.

Well, I think we're within our rights to redefine the Wonders in question to some extent. We could term the Pyramids, for instance, our Ancestral Burial Mounds.

The RP stuff has more to do with limiting our behavior vis a vis the land and the AI civs. I fully expect that, as the Native Americans advance in technology, they will be doing things that no real tribe would have dreamed of. The main point is that we obey the RP rules to maintain the Native American Ethos, as I have clumsily attempted to define it.
 
Chapter One

Baying Dog's dancing and chanting grew more intense, his hoarse, dry voice piercing the calm afternoon. Minutes passed as the old shaman droned on, singing the Old Songs to wake the Spirit and seek its aid. Several of the younger warriors sniggered but remained silent. Finally, spent and tired, he sat heavily upon a deerskin.

"Great Spirit say this is the home of the Cawak tribe."

"The Great Spirit has spoken. Forevermore shall this be the home of the Cawak," Chief Slobbering Bear intoned.

As the tribe's murmurs died down, the Chief's stalwart warrior-son, Snarling Boar, came to his father's side.

"A small clan seeks our wisdom and protection, Father," he said, pointing to a small group of families who apprehensively entered the clearing, their sacred totems clutched in their hands as a sign of peace.

A tall, lean man of no more than 20 winters led them. He wore no beads or trinkets or other regalia, save for a simple headband adorned with an ebony feather.

"I am Black Feather. These few families are all that remain of our tribe. Our chief and his sons were slain in battle. We are hunters, and fled into the woods to save our people," the man said. Snarling Boar sneered at the coward.

With a look, the Chief reprimanded his son. The man continued, "We hear of great Chief to the south and seek his protection." Black Feather's eyes never left those of Slobbering Bear, knowing that his kinsmen's lives were in the balance.

Slobbering Bear regarded the intense young man. His long legs and keen eye would be of great service to the tribe. But his character -- his wisdom is fleeing to save the tribe, his courage to approach the Cawak -- impressed the Chief. He smiled and raised his arms outward, as if in an embrace.

"Welcome, then, to Cawak, kinsmen of Black Feather. Our people are as one."

The Cawak tribe thus expanded, an impromptu celebration was begun. Snarling Boar grimacing, shook his head and departed with some of his close friends.

The Chief pulled Black Feather aside. "Do you know the Northlands?" he asked.

"Yes, Elder. Beyond the ranges of the boars are cold lands of ice."

"Seek out other peoples, Black Feather. Tell them of the Cawak," he said, fiercely holding the brave's shoulders. "And make sure you return, Black Feather."

The young man took a moment to lightly pack and ran off into the wooded northlands. But Slobbering Bear's gaze was to the southwest, as he watched his son and the braves of his war party travel to the hot, dusty lowlands.
 
We settled in place. The hut to our immediate north yielded a Scout, Black Feather.

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I sent him off to explore in the north while Snarling Boar, our Warrior, journeyed southwest to search out the floodplains. I left the east alone for the time being, believing that the first border pop would reveal the remainder of the peninsula.

Due to the proximity of the pigs, and no other food resources in the BFC, I researched Animal Husbandry. I was reluctant to start work on a worker as I had nothing for him to do. So I built a warrior and put Cawak to work on the lake tile, to speed up the research of AH.

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Snarling Boar quickly learned that, indeed, we would have a ready source of commerce at the floodplains ...

How's this for a tribal commerce dance, Kmad?

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While back at Cawak, the border expansion revealed elephants and corn to our east, conveniently within reach from a central city location ...

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Black Feather continued to range quickly across the frozen Northlands, finding little of interest. A few scattered tribal villages yielded minor gifts and tribute.

Snarling Boar, however, continued along the southern coastline, whereupon his war party spied yet another gold deposit and something odd in the distance ...

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"There is another tribe here," he hissed, and the band laid on their bellies in the tall grass while he crawled forward, hatchet in hand ...
 
The other tribe were as another species to Snarling Boar. Pearly white of skin and alien of dress, the outlanders, muscled men working their fishing nets, chuckled at the warriors.

An audience was arranged with their Chief, as Snarling Boar struggled with his temper, saved only by the memory of his mother's gentle, soothing voice.

The leader of the Byzantines was so white that the young brave first thought the man was dead, drained of all blood.


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Peace was made with Mr. Melanin, for now. It's just a matter of time before his nature-ravaging ways, unreasonable demands for tribute, and territorial ambitions bring us in conflict.

Meanwhile, Cawak finished learning the Lore of the Boar:

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No horses, though. :(

I immediately started to research the Wheel. When Cawak reached size 2, I switched production to a worker and started working a grassland forest and the (unpastured) pigs on a hill. My hope is to finish Mysticism and Masonry by the time Cawak finishes the worker and the worker finishes the pig pasture and builds a road from the pigs to the stone.

Black Feather, meanwhile, found another tribal village in the middle of the continent...

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He thought he was dreaming. A dark-haired woman, in a long cloak of white sheepskin, ran headlong into Black Feather as she fled from a pack of wolves.

"In the tree!" he yelled, hoisting her upwards into the boughs. The man's height saved him, as he leapt and caught a branch and swung himself above, out of the reach of the howling, desperate animals. She nodded at Black Feather as they drew their short bows and sent the pack scattering.

She smiled and regarded the handsome brave. "It has been three winters since I have seen one who walks on two legs."

Though used to battle and danger, his heart was strangely in his throat. "I am Black Feather, of the Cawak. Our tribe is to the east. Are you alone?"

"Yes. I am Ewe Friend," she said, bowing her head slightly. "The sheep trusted me, but I led them near the range of a pack of wolves. I fear the sheep are no more." At this the woman became quiet.

"I have seen the sheep, Ewe Friend. They were to the north not two days ago. Do you wish to find them?" He peered into her downcast eyes.

"No. I have failed them. They are better guided by their Spirits than by me."

"Then come with me. Join the Cawak. It is said they have learned the ways of caring for wild animals."

"Truly?" she asked, amazed.

"Yes. Come with me," he said, smiling.

"I will follow you, Black Feather."


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Above is the map. As you can see, we are alone on a small continent very close to Justinan's capitol. Byzantine territory includes the two clam tiles to the southwest of the big map.

We have a decent variety of resources on the island, including 5 health and 4 happiness resources, and 5 of these 9 are present in tradable quantities:

3 fish
1 crab (in the extreme northwest icy region, off the map I have posted)
3 corn
1 sheep
2 pigs
2 stone
4 gold
1 wine
1 whale
3 elephants

plus whatever copper and iron is hidden.

The current situation: we are 1 turn away from finishing the Wheel, and the worker will complete in 8 turns. My present plan is to research Mysticism, Masonry, Mining, Polytheism, Monotheism, Hunting, and Archery, in that order.
 

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Here's some preliminary city placement. What do you think?

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By the way, I am not too concerned about city overlap in this game. We will probably not be working all 20 BFC tiles in any of our cities for a long time, if ever, due to the reduced amount of farming occasioned by our anti-chopping RP Handicaps. So if you want to champion a city site just 3 or 4 tiles from another city, go for it.

The closest good city site is to the southwest of Cawak. By placing a city in the desert next to the oasis, I keep fresh water, get to work all three floodplains, and only end up with one desert tile in the BFC. I lose coastal access, though.

The other river system further southwest, near Justinian, also begs to be colonized quickly. It also has floodplains (5 of 'em) and two gold, and lots of food resources in the delta area. I am having a hard time positioning two cities in that area, and could use some help. I have preliminarily decided that the forest tile at the river mouth is one potential spot, as it gets the pigs, fish, and corn.

The last strong site is in the center, with sheep, wine, corn and elephants. Unfortunately, all of them can't be reached with one city, so I am considering leaving the corn to a a coastal city to the northeast that can also work a fish tile. The central city gets fresh water access, again, by being adjacent to the oasis and can work all of the river tiles in its BFC and get the sheep, wine, and elephants.

Discussion points:

1. Settlements. Which first? Before or after Stonehenge? Justinian doesn't have Sailing (or Fishing for that matter, yet -- his clams are unworked as of now), but it's a matter of time before he loads up some Albino followers into a galley to settle near that gold.
2. Research. I'm planning on going for the Stonehenge techs (Mysticism, Masonry to work the stone) then trying for Monotheism.
3. Build order from here. I'm almost done with the worker, then I'm thinking finish the warrior I interrupted (for more fogbusting), then Stonehenge, then a settler. I really want to get Stonehenge out of the way so (a) I don't miss it and (b) I can grow Cawak to size 5 to crank out settlers, working the pigs, stone, lake, and two forested plains hills(this will Stagnate Cawak at the initial happy cap and produce 12 hammers/turn, and it will likely stay that way until we get some gold and/or elephants hooked up).
4. Other wonders. I'm not averse to other wonders, but since we can't rush produce them, we have to be careful. Great Wall is probably out due to time constraints, but the Great Burial Mounds (pyramids) are a possibility, if I can get another city capable of producing units in the meantime. The good news is that our worker will have nothing to do at Cawak after the pigs and stone are hooked up, and so he can drive a road to the new city and help improve it quickly.

Attached is the savegame file.
 

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"How's this for a tribal commerce dance, Kmad?"

no way! i didn't jinx you, the dance worked! yay! i haven't checked the whole dotmap, was just looking to see if you'd played. i'll pore over it all later. looks like you did well with happies ... the gold and ivory your people can celebrate with right away, wine will take some learning but you'll want to learn that stuff anyway. no ponies at all tho, wow. yay for jumbos!

that justinian fella can make settlers faster than we can. but i don't think he'd cross the waters to our lands very early, at least i hope not.
 
So you can chop down jungle/forest if you're hooking up a resource... does that include camps? I know that you can build a camp without chopping, although forest Furs and Deers are nice, Jungle Ivory isn't so it's best to chop the Jungle while you build a camp on Ivory, unless you want ot make a rule about not choppiong camp resources.

Hey since you can't chop any of your forest taht doesn't mean your AI opponents can't right? LOL

No Space race? can't declare war on friends? looks like either a cultural or Diplomatic Victory.
 
So you can chop down jungle/forest if you're hooking up a resource... does that include camps? I know that you can build a camp without chopping, although forest Furs and Deers are nice, Jungle Ivory isn't so it's best to chop the Jungle while you build a camp on Ivory, unless you want ot make a rule about not choppiong camp resources.

Hey since you can't chop any of your forest taht doesn't mean your AI opponents can't right? LOL

No Space race? can't declare war on friends? looks like either a cultural or Diplomatic Victory.

Fortunately, we have no jungle ivory, so it is a thankfully moot point. But I would say we should not chop if we can build a camp there without chopping.

As far as victory conditions go, we are looking at Cultural, Diplomatic, or Domination. I am hoping that we find at least one non-nutcase AI with whom we can trade and ally. Everyone else may end up feeling our tribal fury if they mess with us.

I am discovering that Diplomacy is best done from a position of military strength. So we may pursue Diplomacy and Domination at the same time, depending on how the AI treats us. On the other hand, since Wonders figure in to our current strategy (due to being Philosophical and having stone), we may want to take a crack at Cultural, especially if we end up liberating Justinian's Hindu holy city/capital.

Probably the most troubling development would be if one of our friends is pursuing a Space Race victory. As we cannot attack them, we must be on guard for this and probably need to find a friend that is not a technological boomer.
 
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"Yes. I am Ewe Friend," she said, bowing her head slightly.

Ewe friend? That's a little kinky even for me and I live in New Zealand.

About the cities. I'd work all those golds if it were me.
 
I'm not sure if i am remembering correctly, but didnt the native americans remove forests for farmland? they just didnt have a large enough population to really devastate the forest. and weren't some tribes nomadic for a reason? i.e. they used up the area's resources and had to move? i'm not sure if i'm making this up or am confused with another group :confused:
 
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